The Bottle Universe Theory

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Thrombin

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by PsychoGamer8229:
“It was stated in NA: Dead Romance that the real world exists separately from the Doctor Who universe. For example, Chris told Christine that in his world (the NA Universe) the aliens built the pyramids while in our world, the Egyptians built the pyramids. This means that the EDA universe, the NA universe, the DWM universe, the Big Finish universe, the NuWho universe, and others all exist separately from our universe.”

Or, alternatively, nothing said in the New Adventures has any bearing on the TV show and, as far as the TV show is concerned, our Universe (and all of the other ones you mention) do not exist

This is much more in keeping with most shows and works fine for me.

Our universe doesn't really count as a parallel universe anyway, as it isn't very parallel. As far as our universe is concerned all the Doctor Who universes are works of fiction with no real bearing on our universe at all. Of course, in Doctor Who, we already had a land of fiction in Troughton's Mind Robber episode but, again, that was a pocket universe, not a parallel one.

Thrombin

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by bp2:
“At least two. the first Cyberman two parter in Series 2 and the other time was in Inferno.”

Ah yes, forgot about Inferno. Still, two examples in which there would have been no reason for the Time Lords to be involved doesn't, to me, imply that they don't exist in other universes. In an infinite number of universes that seems highly unlikely!

lady_xanax

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by TEDR:
“Doctor Who isn't a natural phenomena. It's not a science. You can't attempt better to understand it by correlating observations and postulating theories. The only true observation is that it's an inconsistent fiction, at least in part because consistency isn't paramount.”

This basically. It doesn't matter if it's inconsistent over a period of fifty years. Obviously if New Who started contradicting itself, that would be a different matter because it's still within memory, but writers can't be expected to adhere to something that was written maybe forty years ago.

As for canon and continuity, I imagine Big Finish has its own canon and continuity but that is separate from the main show, so it doesn't need to adhere to it.

Thrombin

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by lady_xanax:
“As for canon and continuity, I imagine Big Finish has its own canon and continuity but that is separate from the main show, so it doesn't need to adhere to it.”

Yes, although, to be fair, Big Finish try to steer clear of things that would mess with the TV continuity. Most of their stuff doesn't contradict the TV show at all.

lady_xanax

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Yes, although, to be fair, Big Finish try to steer clear of things that would mess with the TV continuity. Most of their stuff doesn't contradict the TV show at all.”

I only follow the Eighth Doctor ones, so it's never a problem.

Thrombin

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by lady_xanax:
“I only follow the Eighth Doctor ones, so it's never a problem.”

Apart from the 600 years that he spent on Orbis which tends to make the 9th Doctor's claim to be 900 a little bit of a contradiction!

Still, his age contradicts itself all the time so it's best to just ignore any mention of age when worrying about continuity

lady_xanax

23-01-2014

Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Apart from the 600 years that he spent on Orbis which tends to make the 9th Doctor's claim to be 900 a little bit of a contradiction!

Still, his age contradicts itself all the time so it's best to just ignore any mention of age when worrying about continuity ”

I never remember his age. I'm sticking to the simpler stories

Simon_Foston

18-02-2014

Just as I would never try to fit the Hammer Horror Dracula films into the same continuity as Nosferatu and the Universal Dracula films, I see absolutely no reason to try to join up all the different Doctor Who universes. I see them as entirely separate creations that have separate versions of the same characters, events and settings.

Shoppy

18-02-2014

Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Apart from the 600 years that he spent on Orbis which tends to make the 9th Doctor's claim to be 900 a little bit of a contradiction!”

I think the Doctor just doesn't count time spent in erased timelines when adding up his age, that would work

The_Judge_

18-02-2014

Originally Posted by PsychoGamer8229:
“Didn't you read it? Okay, here's a more refined version of what I stated:

What if the Doctor Who universe wasn't just one continuity, but many different ones? The reason for this is because within many different forms of media about Doctor Who which has contradictions that range from big to small. For example, in NA: Lungbarrow, it was stated that the Doctor took the TARDIS on his own and had traveled to Gallifrey's past which is where he found Susan (who is the granddaughter of the Other) and had taken her with him. However, in CC: The Beginning and TV: The Name of the Doctor, it is shown that he left with Susan.

You see, in Lawrence Miles' EDA: Interference and NA: Dead Romance, it explained that the bottle in in the EDAs contained the NA universe. Also, in NA: Christmas on a Rational Planet, a bottle was found that had contained a universe that was similar to the TV Movie which some have theorized that it contained the EDA universe. So it was like the Farnsworth Parabox theory from Futurama where one box contained another universe and in that universe, there was another box that contained the other. So if one who was from the EDA universe were to go into the bottle that contained the NA universe, they would end up coming out of the bottle that contained the EDA universe and vice versa.

So there is the NA universe, the EDA universe, the DWM universe, the Big Finish universe, and more.
It was also explained that the reason why references to the NAs were made in the EDAs were because one of the bottles had a few cracks in it and some events had bled through.

What if other bottles exist that contain the other universes? What if the Romana played by Juliet Landau was actually not a future incarnation of the Romana that exists in the Big Finish universe but a Romana that exists in a different universe such as the NA universe who had somehow found her way through the BF universe? What if the Master played by Alex Macqueen is the same way as well.

What if the Faction Paradox, instead of being erased in the EDA universe, had somehow escaped into the NA universe with the use of the bottle? Or maybe there are alternate versions of them that reside in the NA universe. It is possible that they had indeed escaped (or at least some of them) because in NA: Dead Romance, it was implied that the one-armed man was actually Father Kreiner. What if the Faction Paradox novels and audios take place in a possible future of the NA universe? It is possible that references to the NAs in the BF audios could be the same reason for the references to the NAs in the EDAs.

The Classic Series serves as a basis for all these universes but they all diverge at certain points. For example, Ace was killed in DWM: Ground Zero when in fact a much older Ace was very much alive in the NAs.

Maybe the BF universe and the Revived Series universe were not always one. Maybe the bottle containing the BF universe that resided in the Revived Series universe had broken and instead of being destroyed, had instead merged with the other universe. Either that or there are much larger cracks on the bottle containing the BF universe that resides in the Revived Series universe.”

Is this post in a parrallel universe version of the OP?

The_Judge_

18-02-2014

Originally Posted by TEDR:
“I looked it up! In Doctor Who land a bottle universe is something that once was the size of a universe but has been shrunk down to fit inside a bottle. Using magical physics, obviously.

The originating poster postulates that what we think are continuity problems are actually just because we're tracking multiple parallel universes. So some things are established in all of them, some flow through only some of them and some exist only in one.”

Is this post a bottle universe version of the OP?

Shoppy

18-02-2014

What if my bottles aren't parallel? ...

... Will that crack the Universe?

Grisonaut

18-02-2014

I'm so confused.

Are these Universes in bottles?

Shoppy

18-02-2014

Originally Posted by Grisonaut:
“I'm so confused.

Are these Universes in bottles?”

I think the universe is in the bottle is in the universe is in the bottle is in the universe etc...

...It's kind of like when the Doctor and the Master both landed their TARDIS's in the same place in Logopolis...

...I can hear the cloister bell ringing

Grisonaut

19-02-2014

Originally Posted by Shoppy:
“I think the universe is in the bottle is in the universe is in the bottle is in the universe etc...

...It's kind of like when the Doctor and the Master both landed their TARDIS's in the same place in Logopolis...

...I can hear the cloister bell ringing ”

Honest, I thought 'bottle' universes was some kind of quantum theory thing, probably because there are two threads on here by the same OP (without paragraphs) and maybe I was just being thick?

And then there was something about bottles, in bottles.

I must admit, it's a very long time since I got stoned into oblivion, so maybe I am missing the point..

Shoppy

19-02-2014

Is there a spare bottle?

Maybe we could put Capaldi_Capaldi's threads in it and bury it in concrete?

Brass Drag0n

19-02-2014

Well just look at Torchwood - supposedly set up to combat the Doctor and other aliens, but there didn't seem to be a Doctor equivalent for the "Pete's world" Torchwood - so why were they set up in the first place?

sebbie3000

19-02-2014

Originally Posted by Brass Drag0n:
“Well just look at Torchwood - supposedly set up to combat the Doctor and other aliens, but there didn't seem to be a Doctor equivalent for the "Pete's world" Torchwood - so why were they set up in the first place?”

Maybe in that universe, the Queen was helped by others to stop the Werewolf, and still created the order of Torchwood, as it still happened at Torchwood House?

Or perhaps someone opened that bottle thinking it was milk, and poured out their version of the Doctor?

...There is no spoon...

Thrombin

19-02-2014

How do we know there was no Doctor in that Universe? Was that ever stated?

Brass Drag0n

20-02-2014

Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“How do we know there was no Doctor in that Universe? Was that ever stated? ”

Well it was a bit shabby of him not to turn up when the Cybusmen were taking over.

Thrombin

20-02-2014

Originally Posted by Brass Drag0n:
“Well it was a bit shabby of him not to turn up when the Cybusmen were taking over.”

He could have been any time and any place in the Universe. It would have been a staggering coincidence for him to be there just when the threat was getting so dire that the fate of the Earth... hang on... hmm...

Seems like the Doctor has a habit of going from one staggering coincidence to the next, when you think about it

Maybe that's the difference between the Doctor's universe and the alternate universe. In the alternate one, their version of the Doctor is not ruled by staggering coincidences

Grisonaut

20-02-2014

Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“He could have been any time and any place in the Universe. It would have been a staggering coincidence for him to be there just when the threat was getting so dire that the fate of the Earth... hang on... hmm...

Seems like the Doctor has a habit of going from one staggering coincidence to the next, when you think about it

Maybe that's the difference between the Doctor's universe and the alternate universe. In the alternate one, their version of the Doctor is not ruled by staggering coincidences ”

Maybe Parallel Doctors don't have a wilful Type-40 Tardis that gets them in trouble

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