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Doctor Who and Ethics
Michael_Long
23-01-2014
Here are some of my thoughts on the Doctor's Ethics at my blog: FalleninParadise

Is the Doctor morally consistent? Does he always follow principles of non-violence? Are there any philosophical take-aways from the show?

I'd like to hear others' thoughts on this.
andy1231
23-01-2014
Not another should we have a black Doctor thread again, oh hang on he said Ethics ,,,,,,
Michael_Long
24-01-2014
Hahaha. True. I'm not writing about ethnics... >.>
Abomination
24-01-2014
That article got me thinking about a few interesting things, particularly in line with Series 1 and the era of the Ninth Doctor (Eccleston).

The article talks about how the show uses the odd aesthetic trick, but generally the stories have more substance to them, and then it goes on to talk about contextual ethical choices.

The 2005 series had to work hard to be something substantial, that would resonate with the viewing audience. It didn't have the budget the show has now, nor quite the star-pulling power it has now either (though it still managed to pull in some truly spectacular guest stars, and Piper and Eccleston were 'fantastic')...

I now wonder whether it is coincidence that the first series of NuWho, which couldn't rely on those aesthetic tricks quite so much, is arguably the series that has the strongest ethical themes to date. The Ninth Doctor swims in ethics and is bookended by them - he was born out of a Doctor who had to sacrifice the Timelords to stop the Time War and his final story, The Parting of the Ways, saw him preparing to slaughter the Earth to spare the universe from the Daleks, only for him to admit to being a coward "any day". In his series he had his closest friend Rose stand between a Dalek and the barrel of a gun in his control, he had the chance to "save the world but lose [Rose]" in World War Three - a prospect he truly considered for a moment there. In Boom Town he had Margaret's life in his hands and was initially responsible for whether she lived or died. In The Unquiet Dead, it raised the ethical issue of the Gelth inhabiting the human dead...again, something that this Doctor was prepared to see happen.

I think the show tries its best to not stray too heavily into morals and ethics at risk of becoming preachy - it needs to remain just casual enough to entice the mainstream audience. We've seen The Doctor presented with a gun or the ability to kill on several occasions - whenever it's involved humans such as in The Parting of the Ways, The Doctor's Daughter or The End of Time we've seen him admit he never would. He can hold the gun in his hands, but it would take a greater man to pull the trigger. Would the same rules apply to his own race? We've only seen briefly in The End of Time such a prospect raised, and he had the opportunity to take alternative actions... but what if there was no alternate resolution and he had to either kill The Master or Rassilon? The thing is that in situations like that I think there will always be a get-out... the Doctor will always be given an escape from such an internal conflict, or an alternative will be presented...and that's that ethic ambiguity on display that keeps the show going

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As an additional side note, for anyone familiar with Buffy...or perhaps you don't need to be familiar in this case;

In Season 5, Buffy severely injures the main baddie of the series (Glory/Ben) and threatens her to go away and never return. Buffy then leaves to save her sister, and it then falls to Buffy's friend Giles who confronts this injured baddie...

BEN: "She could've killed me".
GILES: No she couldn't. Never. And sooner or later, Glory will re-emerge and make Buffy pay for that mercy. And the world with her. Buffy even knows that, and still she couldn't take a human life. She's a hero you see, she's not like us.

At which point Giles proceeds to suffocate Ben to death despite being a generally calm, peace-keeping character.

I think that reflects upon The Doctor very well too. The Doctor couldn't kill, and sooner or later he pays for that mercy as his enemies will always have one up on him. And as a lighter show than Buffy, The Doctor can't fall back on his friends to kill instead...insisting that he would never have asked Martha to kill in Last of the Time Lords, and later the sense of shame and internal breaking he feels as his "Children of Time [are] transformed into murderers" in Journey's End - an episode that later also saw The Doctor judge his Metacrisis form for destroying all of the Daleks. Later still in The End of Time, Rassilon makes a point of the fact that The Doctor's last act in life will be murder as if it's a massive break in his character. And then in The Day of the Doctor touched upon this as well with Clara pointing out that in her mind a man capable of violence and murder cannot possibly be The Doctor.

This raises one final question for me... I've made references almost exclusively to RTD-era episodes in this post, with the exception being The Day of the Doctor which coincidentally borrowed a lot from the RTD-era. Now I wrote this post as I went along so no bias played its part along the way and I'm not inciting yet another RTD vs. Moffat thread, but rather am wondering whether the show did in fact explore more ongoing ethical points in its earlier reboot days when it couldn't fall back on the aesthetic tricks mentioned in the OP's blog post? Have more recent series given up that ethic challenge a little bit, as it might be something I've actually taken from thinking or over-thinking from this blog post
icemetallica8
24-01-2014
As far as I know in today's society Caucasian aliens are quite the minority.
johnnysaucepn
24-01-2014
I think one of the problems that I have with the Ninth Doctor's ethical quandaries is how much he is presented with these dilemmas, but then the decision and the consequences are taken out of his hand by a sudden plot development.

When the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors have to make a moral judgement, they commit.
lady_xanax
24-01-2014
I think that ethics is certainly an interesting part of the show, particularly as it's a family show, so you can't have the Doctor machine-gunning everyone to death.

I don't think the Doctor's the sort of character which constantly straddles the line between bad and good. He's pretty much a good guy with chivalrous principles, hence the popularity- and it's quite hard to make an interesting hero because we all love a villain. Therefore I think the Doctor's essential goodness is a key part of the show's formula. Even if he faces moral dilemmas or has moral qualms, he ultimately has to be the triumph of goodness.
doctor blue box
25-01-2014
it's interesting how he usually he dosen't want to see the villain to die if there's any choice in the matter, as he seems to see it as morally wrong, but in dalek, he demand's that the dalek be executed as soon as he see's it
Abomination
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“it's interesting how he usually he dosen't want to see the villain to die if there's any choice in the matter, as he seems to see it as morally wrong, but in dalek, he demand's that the dalek be executed as soon as he see's it”

The Ninth Doctor was generally a lot more merciless like that. In The End of the World he allowed Lady Cassandra to die despite Rose asking him to help her, explaining that 'everything has its time and everything dies'. There was the example you mentioned in Dalek and then in Boom Town it explored this morality a bit more in-depth, by holding Margaret's fate in his hands..."you might as well be a god" she proclaims.

The Tenth Doctor changes to a more merciful being, which he later explains in Series 4 is down to Rose. She 'made him better' and pulled him away from the dark place he was in post-Time War.
lady_xanax
25-01-2014
I don't think the show can get away with too much moral ambiguity, not with kids making up a big sector of the audience.
Grisonaut
26-01-2014
I recently watched Seeds of Doom and T Baker is full of menace.

At one point it looks like he breaks someone's neck, though I think the guy gets up again.

In terms of overall ethics, the doctor seems quite utiliarian, ie. the greatest good for the greatest number. He seems to weigh up this quandry quite a lot (as did Porridge in Nightmare in Silver).
TheSilentFez
26-01-2014
I've noticed that, especially back in the Pertwee era, Doctor Who was often quite big on spiritual and transcendental woo-woo, what with astral projection, crystal rubbing, psychic powers, meditating and Buddhist temples (Planet of the Spiders, I'm looking at you, but there are others). So much so, to the extent that I felt that the writer's of 1970s Who had some kind of agenda.

I personally strongly disagree with any of this spiritual rubbish and will argue with anyone trying to promote it, so when it was featured in Doctor Who strongly during my Classic Who marathon it slightly grated on me.
The Doctor's speech in The Rings of Akhaten about Merry being made from the elements forged in ancient stars resonated more with my outlook on the universe.
prof_travers
26-01-2014
The philosopher A.C. Grayling praises tolerance as one of the highest virtues. And then goes on to discuss whether we should "tolerate the intolerant" . I think this comes close to the Doctors moral code: he does not tolerate the intolerant .

On specific episodes, I find "Midnight" slightly curious, in that the Doctor appears willing to accommodate a being that appears to have gratuitously murdered two people - the pilot and copilot. It seems to me to be moral lapse by him. Even more curious is the fact that, as far as I can see, The removal of the cockpit actually plays no role in the story at all, apart from demonstrating the entities evil intent, which brings us back to the point of why the Doctor behaves as he does.
johnnysaucepn
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by prof_travers:
“On specific episodes, I find "Midnight" slightly curious, in that the Doctor appears willing to accommodate a being that appears to have gratuitously murdered two people - the pilot and copilot. It seems to me to be moral lapse by him.”

The Doctor has (almost) always been willing to give villains a chance at redemption, even if it's only one chance. That's more or less consistent.
Quote:
“Even more curious is the fact that, as far as I can see, The removal of the cockpit actually plays no role in the story at all, apart from demonstrating the entities evil intent, which brings us back to the point of why the Doctor behaves as he does.”

It's been a while since I watched Midnight, but isn't the reason for that just to make sure that they're trapped and can't leave?
Michael_Long
27-01-2014
Very good point, prof_travers. I think even when an ethical person (rightly) is intolerant of those who are intolerant, it doesn't come easy. They will still wish that the intolerant could be persuaded and will put off any violent action as long as possible, but in the end, yes, you're right.
Michael_Long
30-01-2014
I read an article today that said perhaps each incarnation of the Doctor typifies a slightly different ethical system. Not sure what I think about that yet, but interesting food for thought.
lady_xanax
30-01-2014
Originally Posted by Michael_Long:
“I read an article today that said perhaps each incarnation of the Doctor typifies a slightly different ethical system. Not sure what I think about that yet, but interesting food for thought.”

I suppose they have differing ethics but I don't think it's as intentional as that article sounds. From about 8, they seem to have roughly the same ethics.
doctor blue box
30-01-2014
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“The Ninth Doctor was generally a lot more merciless like that. In The End of the World he allowed Lady Cassandra to die despite Rose asking him to help her, explaining that 'everything has its time and everything dies'. There was the example you mentioned in Dalek and then in Boom Town it explored this morality a bit more in-depth, by holding Margaret's fate in his hands..."you might as well be a god" she proclaims.

The Tenth Doctor changes to a more merciful being, which he later explains in Series 4 is down to Rose. She 'made him better' and pulled him away from the dark place he was in post-Time War. ”

does anyone think that capaldi will be a darker doctor with the same kind of eccleston attitude as a result of regenerating post trenzalore, which was like a mini war?
johnnysaucepn
31-01-2014
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“does anyone think that capaldi will be a darker doctor with the same kind of eccleston attitude as a result of regenerating post trenzalore, which was like a mini war?”

Psychologically, I'm sure he's more likely to be overjoyed at ending that siege and being free to travel again without the knowledge of his impending death hanging over him.
prof_travers
31-01-2014
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“
It's been a while since I watched Midnight, but isn't the reason for that just to make sure that they're trapped and can't leave?”

No, the shuttle has already broken down. That's why the Dr goes into the cockpit.
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