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#2926 |
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Where they have done its not bad at all. I think the problem is that people in the rural areas are wondering will they see 4g? Suspect so, however they are probably going to be the final stage of the plan once all the big cities and towns are complete.
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I went for a drive the other day not that far north of the Marlow turnoff on the M40 (A404) - the next turning or so. After driving for 5-10mins into woodland areas, 0 Vodafone coverage and we're only 45-55 mins drive from London here !! Wasn't too impressed. |
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Changed back to this account (was GreenLantern)
I went for a drive the other day not that far north of the Marlow turnoff on the M40 (A404) - the next turning or so. After driving for 5-10mins into woodland areas, 0 Vodafone coverage and we're only 45-55 mins drive from London here !! Wasn't too impressed. |
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Are we ever getting the zoom buttons back on the coverage checker?
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Are we ever getting the zoom buttons back on the coverage checker?
![]() If I come along with my phone, forced to 3G (or 4G) mode, and I see a red bit on the coverage map, will I get a signal? Nope! Do ordinary people think they will get a very weak signal? Yep! Result? Misleading! edit: And Raunds (Northamptonshire) STILL has no Vodafone coverage... |
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#2931 |
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Vodafone planned maintenance page is showing nothing anywhere.... Very strange!
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Does anyone know what the red "limited coverage" stands for on vodas website? I mean 2g indoor is purple and outdoor is gray. Whenever I travel in the red parts I get no signal whatsoever.
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Does anyone know what the red "limited coverage" stands for on vodas website? I mean 2g indoor is purple and outdoor is gray. Whenever I travel in the red parts I get no signal whatsoever.
![]() Indoor Outdoor Limited Then what is limited?? How can there be a signal less than outdoor only? You're right, this basically means No Service and they just want there to be some colour there to look good. |
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Does anyone know what the red "limited coverage" stands for on vodas website? I mean 2g indoor is purple and outdoor is gray. Whenever I travel in the red parts I get no signal whatsoever.
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In the old days of analogue you had coverage based on hand portables and transportables/car phones. Maybe Vodafone still thinks some people could have larger antennas or boosters that could make receiving 2G possible in such limited areas?
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Yep I posted a scan of one of the old maps that showed the distinction not so long ago.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2623 |
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Just different thresholds which approximate to indoor/outdoor and something lower. There probably is some signal in the red areas which an old phone might be able to work with. But for most modern smartphones - forget it.
That's true for me - thick granite walls are great at emitting radiation, but are great at keeping other types of radiation out |
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Does anyone know what the red "limited coverage" stands for on vodas website? I mean 2g indoor is purple and outdoor is gray. Whenever I travel in the red parts I get no signal whatsoever.
![]() So basically, just treat it the same way as the 3G coverage checker and you'll be ok: Purple for indoors, gray for outdoors, red (and no color at all) for nowt. |
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I assumed it was more for sos 999 calls on other networks
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I assumed it was more for sos 999 calls on other networks
999 calls will go through any network. |
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Vodafone's coverage checker points out the indoor thing (for 3G/4G anyway) - they even go as far as to mention that older houses might be worse than newer ones.
That's true for me - thick granite walls are great at emitting radiation, but are great at keeping other types of radiation out |
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The type of building doesn't affect the obligation (which of course doesn't apply to Vodafone although they'll presumably have similar coverage to O2 who do have the obligation).
There is a specified loss assumed for indoor relative to the estimated signal outdoor and this applies everywhere. |
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The type of building doesn't affect the obligation (which of course doesn't apply to Vodafone although they'll presumably have similar coverage to O2 who do have the obligation).
There is a specified loss assumed for indoor relative to the estimated signal outdoor and this applies everywhere. |
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Just got moved over to Vodafone on the £20 deal a week or so ago. Very smooth and insanely good value for money (Netflix + £75 cashback from quidco makes it work out at £6.25/month for 12 months).
Unfortunately the 3G network is abysmal in London. 4G is great - much better than Threes 4G - but as soon as you go down to 3G everything is so slow. Three's 3G was and is as fast as 4G in most cases. |
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Update on the Higham ferrers mast:
Had a little look today and it appears to be 2 panels per sector - the weather is too poor to get any pics but one day I will. One of them is a long thin panel and the other is shorter, but wider. So I assume the longer panel is 800/900 4G/3G with the shorter one being 3G2100? Pedro - can you confirm that this is the most likely layout? |
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#2946 |
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How can it be assumed with a general figure it's like saying Edinburgh with thick walled houses and a 1970s houses are the same? There has to be calculated formula for all building types? Otherwise you get what you get now widely over expectation of signal. Seems an unfair if you can't differentiate between areas how can state signal where there is none.
In any case the actual obligation doesn't state that they must provide coverage to all buildings covering 98% of the population but rather it's all buildings where the loss from outside to inside doesn't exceed xdB. In the case of O2 using 800MHz, x is around 13dB. It's more if you are doing it with higher frequencies. |
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Update on the Higham ferrers mast:
Had a little look today and it appears to be 2 panels per sector - the weather is too poor to get any pics but one day I will. One of them is a long thin panel and the other is shorter, but wider. So I assume the longer panel is 800/900 4G/3G with the shorter one being 3G2100? Pedro - can you confirm that this is the most likely layout? |
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Just got moved over to Vodafone on the £20 deal a week or so ago. Very smooth and insanely good value for money (Netflix + £75 cashback from quidco makes it work out at £6.25/month for 12 months).
Unfortunately the 3G network is abysmal in London. 4G is great - much better than Threes 4G - but as soon as you go down to 3G everything is so slow. Three's 3G was and is as fast as 4G in most cases. This is what Vodafone was like almost everywhere a year or two ago, and now you can see the marked difference with old sites still to be upgraded, and those that have. The upgraded sites on 3G will be 15-25Mbps, much like Three's DC-HSPA network.. and 4G around the same, but with the chance of going even higher (and the lower ping/higher upload speeds). |
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There are places where 3G clearly doesn't support DC-HSPA or have a decent backhaul and speeds top out at around 1.5Mbps or lower, which isn't great.
This is what Vodafone was like almost everywhere a year or two ago, and now you can see the marked difference with old sites still to be upgraded, and those that have. The upgraded sites on 3G will be 15-25Mbps, much like Three's DC-HSPA network.. and 4G around the same, but with the chance of going even higher (and the lower ping/higher upload speeds). |
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There are places where 3G clearly doesn't support DC-HSPA or have a decent backhaul and speeds top out at around 1.5Mbps or lower, which isn't great.
This is what Vodafone was like almost everywhere a year or two ago, and now you can see the marked difference with old sites still to be upgraded, and those that have. The upgraded sites on 3G will be 15-25Mbps, much like Three's DC-HSPA network.. and 4G around the same, but with the chance of going even higher (and the lower ping/higher upload speeds). At least according to Vodafone's checker, no upgrades planned yet
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