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Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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Skippy2005
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by djfrancis:
“Sounds good but so far i have only picked up 800MHz on Vodafone no 2600MHz until i go into London Central itself”

Vodafone has very little 2600 live, I have read that Vodafone wil be deploying 4G1800 also.
beans0ntoast
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by djfrancis:
“Are O2 using another LTE band other then Band 20?
I picked it up today from my local cell site

The way O2 sectors work are 800MHz
110, 120, 130 comes from a rooftop so 3 sectors

but today sector 124 and another cell site shows me sector 134 are new sectors but reading this from Cellmapper app only thing got me excited about is O2 now using 2600MHz same as Vodafone https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...net.cellmapper if anyone is willing to upload so can see if anyone eles is getting sector 124 or 134 ”

O2 will be using their 1800 for that. They have approx. 5MHz of 1800 that they can deploy as well as their allotted 800 spectrum. The only networks that have 2600 are EE and Vodafone.

O2's 1800 used to be used for 2G so it makes sense that they are now refarming it as 4G, because the 900MHz spectrum will be fine for 2G.
Gigabit
23-03-2016
The "old" O2 network is actually much stronger in my area but my phone now sticks on useless one bar 4G
japaul
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by djfrancis:
“Are O2 using another LTE band other then Band 20?
I picked it up today from my local cell site

The way O2 sectors work are 800MHz
110, 120, 130 comes from a rooftop so 3 sectors

but today sector 124 and another cell site shows me sector 134 are new sectors but reading this from Cellmapper app only thing got me excited about is O2 now using 2600MHz same as Vodafone https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...net.cellmapper if anyone is willing to upload so can see if anyone eles is getting sector 124 or 134 ”

The cells ending with a 4 indicate 1800MHz so 114,124,134 etc are 1800MHz on O2. On the (rare) 6 sector sites you might see 144,154,164
DevonBloke
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“The "old" O2 network is actually much stronger in my area but my phone now sticks on useless one bar 4G ”

It's funny. O2 and Vodafone have kind of introduced a problem that EE have had since 2010 with either orange or TM SIMs hanging onto useless signals from the other brand.
EE now after all this time now getting rid of the issue (massive differences round here now), VO2 I guess have a way to go but at least you know why it's happening I suppose.
packages
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“It's funny. O2 and Vodafone have kind of introduced a problem that EE have had since 2010 with either orange or TM SIMs hanging onto useless signals from the other brand.
EE now after all this time now getting rid of the issue (massive differences round here now), VO2 I guess have a way to go but at least you know why it's happening I suppose.”

Just imagine what it will be like if 3 and o2 deal goes through
M1kos
23-03-2016
Got voda 2600 on the M25 nr Hook the furthest outside London to the west Dartford being furthest in the East
lightspeed2398
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Got voda 2600 on the M25 nr Hook the furthest outside London to the west Dartford being furthest in the East”

Is it new coverage? They have to be expanding it surely.
beans0ntoast
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by packages:
“Just imagine what it will be like if 3 and o2 deal goes through ”

If that happened, then all of the O2 masts (whether CTIL or not) would then have to be re-programmed individually to show up under the Three network code!

If that did happen, then Three would have some 900MHz spectrum, which would be good for coverage. Imagine what their coverage would be like if they stuck 3G900 on the MBNL masts and the CTIL ones! (Assuming that the Three/O2 deal went through, and Three focussed more on 3G and 4G, i.e. what they started with as Three.)
packages
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“If that happened, then all of the O2 masts (whether CTIL or not) would then have to be re-programmed individually to show up under the Three network code!

If that did happen, then Three would have some 900MHz spectrum, which would be good for coverage. Imagine what their coverage would be like if they stuck 3G900 on the MBNL masts and the CTIL ones! (Assuming that the Three/O2 deal went through, and Three focussed more on 3G and 4G, i.e. what they started with as Three.)”

Oh they would easily have the best coverage in the UK. Will take years and years to fully integrate it though.
georgi_prodanov
23-03-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“If that happened, then all of the O2 masts (whether CTIL or not) would then have to be re-programmed individually to show up under the Three network code!

If that did happen, then Three would have some 900MHz spectrum, which would be good for coverage. Imagine what their coverage would be like if they stuck 3G900 on the MBNL masts and the CTIL ones! (Assuming that the Three/O2 deal went through, and Three focussed more on 3G and 4G, i.e. what they started with as Three.)”

I was told that Three engineers are already working on that. They know probably deal will go through if they are working on the billing sector how to integrate it with O2 one. I was told that it is under very high security so nobody can see what they do.
clewsy
23-03-2016
Lol.

They know the deal won't happen, more like.

It's clear from the limited desperation this is going no where, thankfully from the regulator.
jonmorris
23-03-2016
Have shop staff stopped telling customers they've merged with O2 yet?
Gigabit
23-03-2016
The number of times I called Three and was told the network would improve when the merger happened...
M1kos
24-03-2016
I hope It doesn't happen voda should buy o2 should merge makes so much more sense!
julia_McGill
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by Charlie_Hobbs:
“As most of the conversation in this part of the forum seems to be centred on EE and Three, I thought it would be good to hear of experiences good and bad surrounding the Voda and O2 4G networks, including:

Current Coverage
Indoor penetration
User experience in cities eg London
Experience of lower frequency 4G

Etc, especially as there appears to be misplaced comments in other threads that should belong in here (to put it mildly!)

Thoughts?....”


Definitely O2
voodoofish
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Where was this Central London??”

Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“That's like almost everywhere I was trying back in 2013 and early 2014.. from Hertfordshire into London and the surrounds.

I am glad that for the most part, these pathetic speeds are long gone.

Having been to their control centre, I can only assume they're fully aware of such issues and have a plan to rectify things. What's more, I actually have confidence that they will fix it - which is something you'd have NEVER heard me say a few years ago.”

It was by Paddington Basin, not far from their office it's usually congested enough to notice during normal use but not usually that bad.

To be fair in the rest of London I usually get usable speeds now, whereas previously in very busy spots I often had trouble even on 4G.
jonmorris
24-03-2016
At Victoria station today, I saw all networks (didn't try O2) far slower than before. Vodafone down from over 100* to nearer 8! EE down to 40 (obviously a lot better, but still slower than before) and Three also way down.

Capacity is clearly becoming an issue in central London.

* I think Dan Carter got almost 180 once here, so how the mighty has fallen!
djfrancis
24-03-2016
November last year i had speeds at 80Mb in Leicester square near the Odeon and that was on Vodafone
https://twitter.com/francisuk1989/st...64243469615104

Mill Hill, NW London
51Mb
https://twitter.com/francisuk1989/st...14832187310080
davybhoy
24-03-2016
Hey all

So I have been with EE for over 10 Years (previously on the Orange network side of EE), but they wouldn't match the deal I was getting so I have jumped ship to Vodafone on the Galaxy S7 Edge. Just wondering are all of the O2 and Vodafone masts in Northern Ireland integrated? The O2 website has all the mast locations and there seems to be so many! They are every few hundred metres!

I know EE was faster but I'm constantly getting around 20Mbps down and 14+Mbps up which is more than enough. Are Vodfone planning any upgrades to increase capacity though?
M1kos
25-03-2016
Down in South Devon for easter. Voda improving each time here. Three more live 4G sites since I was here last in October one up St hillhead being upgraded atm. Am mip mast now working near Ringmore with 50mbps. The data is finally coming to the south Hams area although not Totnes still but 3G poping up on Hill tops all over the place have a look on rootmetics I've been adding some dots to the best tech maps
mobilecentre
25-03-2016
VF are improving in a number of areas after the best part of two years being on and off the predicted coverage on the VF map Chipping Campden in Glos now has VO2, Alcester in Warks was done last week.

The big worry is when they have finished the rollout they will need to start all over again rolling out capacity as people have already said. With around 25 million visitors to the Cotswolds every year I am not sure how a few monoples will stand up..
M1kos
25-03-2016
https://www.change.org/p/vodafone-vo...edium=copylink
beans0ntoast
25-03-2016
Originally Posted by mobilecentre:
“VF are improving in a number of areas after the best part of two years being on and off the predicted coverage on the VF map Chipping Campden in Glos now has VO2, Alcester in Warks was done last week.

The big worry is when they have finished the rollout they will need to start all over again rolling out capacity as people have already said. With around 25 million visitors to the Cotswolds every year I am not sure how a few monoples will stand up..”

Chances are, there will always be some areas that will never get anything other than 900 2G/3G and 800 4G, as it would probably be too costly to upgrade to 1800/2100/2600.

What Vodafone (and O2) should have done from the start was rolled out 4G1800 alongside their 4G800, for all masts - which will help with capacity issues in rural areas on the 800. For Vodafone, they should have also rolled out 4G2600 to anywhere that was a town or city, to future-proof the network and alleviate pressure on 800.
For O2... 1800 should have been on every mast, and as 4G, not 2G. The 900 will suffice for really old devices (that can't do 3G or 4G).

They should have also rolled out 3G2100 on every mast as well...Not only would that give them a good way of relieving pressure on 3G900 (from what I've heard, the 900 can get very congested in some areas), but it'd future proof the network if they ever needed to use the 2100 for 4G - they'd then be able to have more 4G capacity and then refarm all of 900 to 3G, so that 3G didn't get swamped.

But unfortunately Vodafone (and O2) didn't do this...
maverickjesus
25-03-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Chances are, there will always be some areas that will never get anything other than 900 2G/3G and 800 4G, as it would probably be too costly to upgrade to 1800/2100/2600.

What Vodafone (and O2) should have done from the start was rolled out 4G1800 alongside their 4G800, for all masts - which will help with capacity issues in rural areas on the 800. For Vodafone, they should have also rolled out 4G2600 to anywhere that was a town or city, to future-proof the network and alleviate pressure on 800.
For O2... 1800 should have been on every mast, and as 4G, not 2G. The 900 will suffice for really old devices (that can't do 3G or 4G).

They should have also rolled out 3G2100 on every mast as well...Not only would that give them a good way of relieving pressure on 3G900 (from what I've heard, the 900 can get very congested in some areas), but it'd future proof the network if they ever needed to use the 2100 for 4G - they'd then be able to have more 4G capacity and then refarm all of 900 to 3G, so that 3G didn't get swamped.

But unfortunately Vodafone (and O2) didn't do this...”

I bet their entire engineering team just fell off their chairs that they didn't think of that. You should work for Vodafone, should be a piece of cake!
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