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Ripped up the plan? Why have they changed things? Is this why there are so many half complete masts left around then?
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Lol well this isnt going to help them meet their targets on roll out then. Sounds like this is going wrong before it even got going. You would have thought they had a set plan in an agreement to follow.
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Lol well this isnt going to help them meet their targets on roll out then. Sounds like this is going wrong before it even got going. You would have thought they had a set plan in an agreement to follow.
I know it caused a bit of a headache in EE deciding where to go from cities.. Do you follow where the population reside, do you follow where they travel, do you follow where they would benefit from 4G the most, do you go where your network is most under stress, do you focus on marketable headline numbers or do you focus on demographics ie where most likely to upgrade. |
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I think the problem is one party wants a faster, more sparce roll out, the other wants a more comprehensive per area roll out. Although that are somewhat independent, because of the area split they need to work out again which areas to do first as they also switch to rural/motorway/town roll outs.
I know it caused a bit of a headache in EE deciding where to go from cities.. Do you follow where the population reside, do you follow where they travel, do you follow where they would benefit from 4G the most, do you go where your network is most under stress, do you focus on marketable headline numbers or do you focus on demographics ie where most likely to upgrade. Edit I will stick with original guess but i'm probably wrong O2 does have the 98% required target so they may need the more comprehensive per area rollout. |
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I think your right there as vodafone probably want a network that works all over for a customer as that could get great numbers swapping in a small area when they know it works constantly. I can imagine O2 want a quick job doing and then worry about filling in the bits another time. We could be wrong.
It does seem that that areas they have done have really good coverage and more detailed than EE, however from what is posted on here it seems the gaps are now being filled in. Of course for these two it's also about better 3G coverage as both have been shocking when it comes to this. |
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Clewsy- Stoke is quite a unique part of the Cornerstone rollout as Vodafone are desperate for 4G in the town and surrounding areas partly due to them having a number of staff based in the area and a couple of call centres.
However O2 say they are not interested in Stoke and is low priority for them so they are not being done as part of the Cornerstone agreement and Vodafone are doing it all themselves on most sites this does however cause issues with Backhaul as Vodafone are getting quite long lead times to get sites connected up to the C&W network of which Stoke is not very well covered. I remember when Vodafone first brought C&W and wanted to move the call centres onto the network it meant putting in a dedicated fibre spur from the M6 junction as Stoke was not covered. |
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All is not quite propped up by the Cornerstone eh! Yet more interesting times ahead then..
Certainly hope it is Vodafone that want the more comprehensive roll out, it'd be about time really. |
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Clewsy- Stoke is quite a unique part of the Cornerstone rollout as Vodafone are desperate for 4G in the town and surrounding areas partly due to them having a number of staff based in the area and a couple of call centres.
However O2 say they are not interested in Stoke and is low priority for them so they are not being done as part of the Cornerstone agreement and Vodafone are doing it all themselves on most sites this does however cause issues with Backhaul as Vodafone are getting quite long lead times to get sites connected up to the C&W network of which Stoke is not very well covered. I remember when Vodafone first brought C&W and wanted to move the call centres onto the network it meant putting in a dedicated fibre spur from the M6 junction as Stoke was not covered. Also if that's the case with the fibre then reaching some of the outer areas in Newcastle under Lyme on the fringe of Stoke could take a real length of time as that will be a lot of fibre link up. Any idea when Stoke should start to see improved 3 and 4g? I appreciate the detailed reply by the way, so thanks for that. |
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Clewsy- Stoke is quite a unique part of the Cornerstone rollout as Vodafone are desperate for 4G in the town and surrounding areas partly due to them having a number of staff based in the area and a couple of call centres.
However O2 say they are not interested in Stoke and is low priority for them so they are not being done as part of the Cornerstone agreement and Vodafone are doing it all themselves on most sites this does however cause issues with Backhaul as Vodafone are getting quite long lead times to get sites connected up to the C&W network of which Stoke is not very well covered. I remember when Vodafone first brought C&W and wanted to move the call centres onto the network it meant putting in a dedicated fibre spur from the M6 junction as Stoke was not covered. As Clewsy said above imagine it would be hard bring the C&W to places like Blythe Bridge, Newcastle Under Lyme, Chesterton. If they struggling bring it into Stoke itself. I am glad that Vodafone card about giving there staff reliable network signal. It's a bug employer in Stoke but a lot of people aren't with them. |
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What happens to all those planning concents aswell? Do they have to be amended if they are not having the o2 kit installed at the same time? I suspect as the poster above says - IF Vodafone get this right they could market to Stoke and attract a fair number of customers.
I suspect their price point is a bit expensive for some at the moment however they appear to becoming a little more competitive. |
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Not to surprising that Vodafone want to give Stoke 4G at all there biggest call centre is in Etruria. There 3G has never actually been brilliant in Stoke either which has always surprised me. Imagine Vodafone want to bring 4G before end of Q2. Which would likely give them the best 4G in Stoke at moment it is EE but they don't have many masts upgraded.
As Clewsy said above imagine it would be hard bring the C&W to places like Blythe Bridge, Newcastle Under Lyme, Chesterton. If they struggling bring it into Stoke itself. I am glad that Vodafone card about giving there staff reliable network signal. It's a bug employer in Stoke but a lot of people aren't with them. |
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I am not sure what happens about the submitted and approved planning applications I would imagine they just install one Lancaster cabinet instead of two and believe they can always add the other one when they wish within 3 years of being approved.
The masts that are currently 3G will unlikely be running on C&W based backhaul probably on BT meas connection which is not really good enough for both 3&4G together. On a nationwide basis it has to be remembered that O2 have done their side of the country under Cornerstone a lot faster than Vodafone who are still on catch up basis as they often wait for the backhaul to be ready before starting work where as O2 do it all straight away as they are using VM backhaul. Vodafone are also doing quite a bit of work on the actual core network as well making big increases in capacity and range, This is to support the growth in 4G and for the soon to be launched broadband product & Tv service which will have a new cloud based storage facility . If the Vodafone and O2 network rollout had been separate I am sure O2 would have had a higher percentage done than Vodafone would have had done. |
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So on the o2 side where these masts have been done quicker, does this mean some of those sites are still waiting for Vodafone to be enabled as well because of the delays in cabling?
Silly question but how do C&W get their fibre to the masts? Can they use the openreach ducts and pay a fee for this or do they literally have to dig up roads and lay their own ducts and fibre? If so, I can see why it takes so long when their is no fibre in place. |
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What happens to all those planning concents aswell? Do they have to be amended if they are not having the o2 kit installed at the same time? I suspect as the poster above says - IF Vodafone get this right they could market to Stoke and attract a fair number of customers.
I suspect their price point is a bit expensive for some at the moment however they appear to becoming a little more competitive. Yeah even though Vodafone is a big employer in Stoke they don't have a lot of people on there network in Stoke most from what i've seen are on EE or O2. So having superb 4G in Stoke can net them some solid customers as they are starting to be competitive. Nice to see one network wants to deliver solid 4G in Stoke it often gets overlooked. Quote:
Those half started masts have all been in the more northern parts as well which is interesting if the fibre isnt in place. Would existing 3g sites have the fibre in place already? Just thinking this is why they have done the masts that they have so far.
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I am not sure what happens about the submitted and approved planning applications I would imagine they just install one Lancaster cabinet instead of two and believe they can always add the other one when they wish within 3 years of being approved.
The masts that are currently 3G will unlikely be running on C&W based backhaul probably on BT meas connection which is not really good enough for both 3&4G together. On a nationwide basis it has to be remembered that O2 have done their side of the country under Cornerstone a lot faster than Vodafone who are still on catch up basis as they often wait for the backhaul to be ready before starting work where as O2 do it all straight away as they are using VM backhaul. Vodafone are also doing quite a bit of work on the actual core network as well making big increases in capacity and range, This is to support the growth in 4G and for the soon to be launched broadband product & Tv service which will have a new cloud based storage facility . If the Vodafone and O2 network rollout had been separate I am sure O2 would have had a higher percentage done than Vodafone would have had done. I think Vodafone will end up with the better network compared to O2 at end of these rollouts. Quote:
So on the o2 side where these masts have been done quicker, does this mean some of those sites are still waiting for Vodafone to be enabled as well because of the delays in cabling?
Silly question but how do C&W get their fibre to the masts? Can they use the openreach ducts and pay a fee for this or do they literally have to dig up roads and lay their own ducts and fibre? If so, I can see why it takes so long when their is no fibre in place. Hmm good question in regards to Fibre I guess it depends on if C&W has code powers or not which Ofcom basically allows anyone to have these days. |
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I think Vodafone will end up with the better network compared to O2 at end of these rollouts.
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Given Vodafone already have more spectrum assets to use, they may be planning for 800 saturation. O2 only have their 800 allocation.
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What does code powers mean?
As surly if anyone can use these ducts open reach / BT will just ram them full first with their fibre and then say they are full? I'm assuming in some places this must have happened? Of course if you have more fibre to the masts you will need a cracking backbone as well. |
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What does code powers mean?
As surly if anyone can use these ducts open reach / BT will just ram them full first with their fibre and then say they are full? I'm assuming in some places this must have happened? Of course if you have more fibre to the masts you will need a cracking backbone as well. Edit to properly clarify Code Powers mean that ISPs are allowed to carry out construction and repair work on streets without having to apply to local authorities for specific licences. To access BT Ducts ISP's need to also be granted PIA. |
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Code powers are what a ISP can get from Ofcom which allows them to use street cabinets, ducts that sort of thing. Talktalk and Sky have them I know that not sure if C&W have them they allow a ISP to use BT Ducts and easier to arrange street works.
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Interesting. So who foots the bill when they are full or become blocked?
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Sorry I realise some of my questions are probably really thick however my knowledge of the works of it all isn't as good as many on this site, but I find it fascinating and keen to learn about it.
Just seems strange as if Open Reach pay then the BT shareholder is effectively paying to help out a rival. Unless thier is a rent charged for using the duct in the first place? |
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Well in answer to where C&W connections must be the easiest to get to it looks like Newcastle under Lyme must be the area, as the Vodafone coverage map has been updated and is showing predicted 4G in some areas here first.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi45i5ik9g...25.08.png?dl=0 |
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Well in answer to where C&W connections must be the easiest to get to it looks like Newcastle under Lyme must be the area, as the Vodafone coverage map has been updated and is showing predicted 4G in some areas here first.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi45i5ik9g...25.08.png?dl=0 |
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That's Chesterton/Bradwell and funny enough is where Three launched 4G initially launched in Stoke as well.
Interesting that a mast I drove past just has now had some strange writing appearing on it. I am assuming this means that some form of upgrade must be taking place soon? Nothing on the roadworks.org website about any works yet though and usually that shows most things up. Here is a few pictures of the scribble. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vzctfl3p2g...52.17.jpg?dl=0 |
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Are Vodafone doing a lot of work in Trafford/Manchester area at the moment?
All of the masts in the local area seem to be out of action (didn't notice this till I left the house on Sunday). http://1drv.ms/1EaduxJ The red bubble is in the area I live, I am fine when home as I have the sure signal, soon as I leave the door everything drops off to 1 bar. Phone calls struggle to connect or come through. I am beginning to wonder after all those months of praising Vodafone, its coming back to bite me in the arse ![]() I have done a wider search and it appears to be the surrounding areas as well. Does it have anything to do with "4G+" upgrades? |
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