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Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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packages
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“86meg isn't possible from 800 alone maybe 1800 too?!”

Re-read the post
hammy_y
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by interactiv-uk:
“So much for EE being 50% faster!! ) - They shouldn't be able to run that campaign without explicitly mentioning it was in 5 cities at the end of last year. Things do move on!”

To be fair EE is faster in most places I go, it's just at home that O2 is faster, lol
hammy_y
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Interesting
If your village is Leicester, I assume you are on the O2 side of CTIL?
I have a hunch the Vodafone side of CTIL haven't rolled out 1800 4G yet.”

Yeah I'm in Mountsorrel, it's a small village between Leicester and Loughborough. On Vodafone all I get is 4G800 though. And there's no 2G1800 on either O2 or Vodafone on that mast, so it seems like O2 have put the 1800 on 4G, and it seems like Vodafone never had 1800 there, or if they did, they don't have any now.
Denco1
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by hammy_y:
“Yeah I'm in Mountsorrel, it's a small village between Leicester and Loughborough. On Vodafone all I get is 4G800 though. And there's no 2G1800 on either O2 or Vodafone on that mast, so it seems like O2 have put the 1800 on 4G, and it seems like Vodafone never had 1800 there, or if they did, they don't have any now.”

Thanks for confirming. Any idea who the network vendor is for the area, or who is responsible for rolling out upgrades in the area, either Vodafone or O2? I have a hunch only Ericsson or NSN areas have 1800 4G, and Huawei areas don't just yet.
hammy_y
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Thanks for confirming. Any idea who the network vendor is for the area, or who is responsible for rolling out upgrades in the area, either Vodafone or O2? I have a hunch only Ericsson or NSN areas have 1800 4G, and Huawei areas don't just yet.”

Not sure, sorry.
interactiv-uk
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Thanks for confirming. Any idea who the network vendor is for the area, or who is responsible for rolling out upgrades in the area, either Vodafone or O2? I have a hunch only Ericsson or NSN areas have 1800 4G, and Huawei areas don't just yet.”

Mountsorrel is on the O2 side of the country - the site there as 2G900, 3G900, 3G2100, 4G800 and 4G1800 on O2 - Not sure about Vodafone from that site. AFAIK it's in the Ericsson area but I could be wrong! It's near the north/south split area...
Denco1
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by interactiv-uk:
“Mountsorrel is on the O2 side of the country - the site there as 2G900, 3G900, 3G2100, 4G800 and 4G1800 on O2 - Not sure about Vodafone from that site. AFAIK it's in the Ericsson area but I could be wrong! It's near the north/south split area...”

Thanks interactiv-uk. What's this north/south split area? I knew about east/west, but not about north/south. Is that how O2 have split Ericsson and NSN then?

It does seem to me like the O2 side of CTIL is more advanced than the Vodafone side. O2 are deploying 4G RRUs where Vodafone have chosen to deploy 3G RRUs. O2 seem to be widely deploying 1800 4G, where as Vodafone have deployed 2600 4G in London, and a few areas of Manchester and Birmingham. Not even with CA in Birmingham or Manchester unless things have changed.
M1kos
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by packages:
“Re-read the post”

Oops lol. I hope voda rollout L1800 nationally as the extra 35ish meg it can provide seems quite useful
DevonBloke
12-05-2016
That would cost a fortune though, too high a frequency with not enough reach or capacity.
interactiv-uk
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Thanks interactiv-uk. What's this north/south split area? I knew about east/west, but not about north/south. Is that how O2 have split Ericsson and NSN then?

It does seem to me like the O2 side of CTIL is more advanced than the Vodafone side. O2 are deploying 4G RRUs where Vodafone have chosen to deploy 3G RRUs. O2 seem to be widely deploying 1800 4G, where as Vodafone have deployed 2600 4G in London, and a few areas of Manchester and Birmingham. Not even with CA in Birmingham or Manchester unless things have changed.”

I have both O2 and Voda sims and O2 always seems to be slightly faster when testing, which on paper it shouldn't be.

I agree about the east seeming more advanced. In the O2 area I get around 60meg+ regularly on O2 but in the west it seems to max out at about 15meg a lot of the time. The Voda sim isn't any better. May just be the areas I've been trying with capacity issues etc but there always seems to be a pattern.
RileyM
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Interesting
If your village is Leicester, I assume you are on the O2 side of CTIL?
I have a hunch the Vodafone side of CTIL haven't rolled out 1800 4G yet.”

I also got a really impressive speed test on O2 4G in Shelford, Cambridgeshire

https://imgur.com/a/BW25t
beans0ntoast
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Reports of 1800 lte on voda around Canary Wharf!”

It's about time Vodafone put their 1800MHz spectrum to some good use!

The things is, you don't need 2G1800 because 2G900 will cover the calls well enough, and so to will 3G900 or 3G2100. If you're going to out 2G1800 on to a mast, why not put 3G2100 and 3G900 on it instead, leaving the 1800 for 4G?
Stereo Steve
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's about time Vodafone put their 1800MHz spectrum to some good use!

The things is, you don't need 2G1800 because 2G900 will cover the calls well enough, and so to will 3G900 or 3G2100. If you're going to out 2G1800 on to a mast, why not put 3G2100 and 3G900 on it instead, leaving the 1800 for 4G?”

What is this crazy 3G tech you speak of? It sounds amazing. Surely the networks should be putting all their energy into it right now. Even though a 2/4G solution can provide the ideal solution to 99% of users, I think 3G is the future.
Denco1
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Reports of 1800 lte on voda around Canary Wharf!”

Good news
Any experts know what's happening with the 2600 TDD japaul spotted a while back?
beans0ntoast
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“What is this crazy 3G tech you speak of? It sounds amazing. Surely the networks should be putting all their energy into it right now. Even though a 2/4G solution can provide the ideal solution to 99% of users, I think 3G is the future.”

It's tech that EE and 3 have pretty much everywhere (except for a few blackspots), yet Vodafone and O2 are only starting to roll out. In some areas, Vodafone/O2 have never had this thing called 3G, just useless GPRS!

2G/4G would be a disaster for non 3G devices and would make lots of non-4G smartphones data bricks, whilst also making turning a lot of 3G tablets into Wifi only tablets, thus wasting the consumers' money! Had they known that 3G would get the chop, they'd have bought the wifi only variant! (This is, ofc, before 4G was broadcast.)
3G/4G would be better as the vast majority of phones these days are 3G/4G compatible, and even so, the amount of 2G devices that would be made obsolete by switching off 2G would be less than the amount of non-4G devices made obsolete by the switching off of 3G.
packages
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's tech that EE and 3 have pretty much everywhere (except for a few blackspots), yet Vodafone and O2 are only starting to roll out. In some areas, Vodafone/O2 have never had this thing called 3G, just useless GPRS!

2G/4G would be a disaster for non 3G devices and would make lots of non-4G smartphones data bricks, whilst also making turning a lot of 3G tablets into Wifi only tablets, thus wasting the consumers' money! Had they known that 3G would get the chop, they'd have bought the wifi only variant! (This is, ofc, before 4G was broadcast.)
3G/4G would be better as the vast majority of phones these days are 3G/4G compatible, and even so, the amount of 2G devices that would be made obsolete by switching off 2G would be less than the amount of non-4G devices made obsolete by the switching off of 3G.”

Yet again, we are talking at least 4-5 years time that there is a possibility that this starts to happen. Who has the same phone for 5 years? Pretty much people who only care about having a phone to call and text so they won't even be affected.
jonmorris
12-05-2016
2G and 3G isn't going anywhere for some time. What we're going to have is refarming of spectrum, including 2G to 4G and sometimes 3G, and 3G potentially to 4G.

At some point in the quite distant future, we will hopefully see 3G gone. Then at some stage 2G will go, just as 1G did.

With 5G then having arrived, 4G will hopefully be the only thing a handset or terminal needs to fall back on.
Aye Up
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“2G and 3G isn't going anywhere for some time. What we're going to have is refarming of spectrum, including 2G to 4G and sometimes 3G, and 3G potentially to 4G.

At some point in the quite distant future, we will hopefully see 3G gone. Then at some stage 2G will go, just as 1G did.

With 5G then having arrived, 4G will hopefully be the only thing a handset or terminal needs to fall back on.”

I think 3G will be the first to be phased out, it is perfect for 4G. 2G IMHO is a long way off I would probably say not until the latter part of the next decade. Some early smart meters which relied on 2G for data are being replaced for a new range which should include 4G. My Mam had a smart meter fitted a few days ago, its pretty flash as you'd expect, the bloke was telling me it was using 4G data. He didn't tell me the network, though one would assume it would be Vodafone or O2 due to the amount of 800 they have (also being their primary 4G frequency).

I have a smart meter at my home and it looks nothing like my parents, it seems 1st gen or whatever you want to call them are being phased out. The new meters offer a lot more, exact costing, exact tariff etc. Information is upated with the energy company every 30 mins or so, it shows usage in realtime. I don't think any of that would be possible on 2G, hence why 4G is used.

I should add this is the first time I have seen 4G applied in this way, maybe its the start of a new thing
DevonBloke
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's tech that EE and 3 have pretty much everywhere (except for a few blackspots), yet Vodafone and O2 are only starting to roll out. In some areas, Vodafone/O2 have never had this thing called 3G, just useless GPRS!

2G/4G would be a disaster for non 3G devices and would make lots of non-4G smartphones data bricks, whilst also making turning a lot of 3G tablets into Wifi only tablets, thus wasting the consumers' money! Had they known that 3G would get the chop, they'd have bought the wifi only variant! (This is, ofc, before 4G was broadcast.)
3G/4G would be better as the vast majority of phones these days are 3G/4G compatible, and even so, the amount of 2G devices that would be made obsolete by switching off 2G would be less than the amount of non-4G devices made obsolete by the switching off of 3G.”

Oh... this just gets better and better.....
Stereo Steve
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's tech that EE and 3 have pretty much everywhere (except for a few blackspots), yet Vodafone and O2 are only starting to roll out. In some areas, Vodafone/O2 have never had this thing called 3G, just useless GPRS!

2G/4G would be a disaster for non 3G devices and would make lots of non-4G smartphones data bricks, whilst also making turning a lot of 3G tablets into Wifi only tablets, thus wasting the consumers' money! Had they known that 3G would get the chop, they'd have bought the wifi only variant! (This is, ofc, before 4G was broadcast.)
3G/4G would be better as the vast majority of phones these days are 3G/4G compatible, and even so, the amount of 2G devices that would be made obsolete by switching off 2G would be less than the amount of non-4G devices made obsolete by the switching off of 3G.”

That last sentence. Are you sure of that? Anyway, got to go fire up my LDV. Diesel has petreolified in the tank due to the inclement weather and I see Jonathon Dimbleby is tweeting expletives about question time so I have to get over Moreleigh way before the cell breathes in. Just hope there is nobody on the Harbertonford pedestrian crossing or it may be too late.
d123
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“That last sentence. Are you sure of that? Anyway, got to go fire up my LDV. Diesel has petreolified in the tank due to the inclement weather and I see Jonathon Dimbleby is tweeting expletives about question time so I have to get over Moreleigh way before the cell breathes in. Just hope there is nobody on the Harbertonford pedestrian crossing or it may be too late.”

Devon is sounding a bit exasperated in the previous post, make sure you keep that signal van close enough to keep him in good signal...
DevonBloke
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“It's tech that EE and 3 have pretty much everywhere (except for a few blackspots), yet Vodafone and O2 are only starting to roll out. In some areas, Vodafone/O2 have never had this thing called 3G, just useless GPRS!

2G/4G would be a disaster for non 3G devices and would make lots of non-4G smartphones data bricks, whilst also making turning a lot of 3G tablets into Wifi only tablets, thus wasting the consumers' money! Had they known that 3G would get the chop, they'd have bought the wifi only variant! (This is, ofc, before 4G was broadcast.)
3G/4G would be better as the vast majority of phones these days are 3G/4G compatible, and even so, the amount of 2G devices that would be made obsolete by switching off 2G would be less than the amount of non-4G devices made obsolete by the switching off of 3G.”

Ok last post was a bit harsh...
Look beans, mate, Stereo Steve was joking about the 3G. You need to get with the humour on here!
2G/4G won't happen fully until there are virtually no 3G users left and the ones that are can be coaxed into upgrading.
Yes, that includes you!
Stereo Steve
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Devon is sounding a bit exasperated in the previous post, make sure you keep that signal van close enough to keep him in good signal...”

He doesn't know it but it's parked outside his bunker most nights. The order came from high up in the organisation.
DevonBloke
12-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“That last sentence. Are you sure of that? Anyway, got to go fire up my LDV. Diesel has petreolified in the tank due to the inclement weather and I see Jonathon Dimbleby is tweeting expletives about question time so I have to get over Moreleigh way before the cell breathes in. Just hope there is nobody on the Harbertonford pedestrian crossing or it may be too late.”

Well if he is it won't be from the New Inn. There's no Interweb signal in there.....
Stereo Steve
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Well if he is it won't be from the New Inn. There's no Interweb signal in there.....”

Confidentiality clause prevents me from telling you where he is but my speak and spell knows. I'm 4 minutes away now and within range.
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