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In fairness I think the track suits RWD cars, however the Subaru always targeted Oulton for their true showing. Of course Oulton is very popular with fans but track action isn't always the best due to the narrow track.
However I was mega impressed with the 4g from o2. How many connections can 4g hold? It must be in the 10,000 mark as that seems a reasonable assumption of people on o2. Also how fast must be the fibre feeding that mast to be able to allow streaming as well? All very impressive. ![]() I don't know the exact figure but I do know with only 10mhz of bandwidth it's definitely nowhere near 10,000.
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10,000 on 1 mast?
![]() I don't know the exact figure but I do know with only 10mhz of bandwidth it's definitely nowhere near 10,000. |
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About 400 per sector iirc, so on a normal 3 sector mast around 1200.
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Is that 400 idle phones just switched on but doing nothing? Or 400 phones actively transferring data with the network?
LTE is considerably more efficient than 3G. |
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It must have done more than that from the numbers there, unless that is coming from more than one site?
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2G and 3G isn't going anywhere for some time. What we're going to have is refarming of spectrum, including 2G to 4G and sometimes 3G, and 3G potentially to 4G.
At some point in the quite distant future, we will hopefully see 3G gone. Then at some stage 2G will go, just as 1G did. With 5G then having arrived, 4G will hopefully be the only thing a handset or terminal needs to fall back on. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Voda/O2 went to 10MHz 3G900, instead of 5MHz, but then, at the same time, some more 2100 going to 4G. So I can see 900 being predominantly 3G (with some 2G), and 2100 being predominantly 4G. When 5G is around (possibly 2020, though I have no idea, that's just a guess; in fact I don't even know what 5G will be or what it is capable of), almost all phones will have 4G Calling, so as you mentioned the only thing you'd need is 4G. Though if phones had 5G support from the launch of 5G, and 5G had native voice capabilities (unlike 4G), wouldn't falling back to 4G be unneeded, unless 5G was a much higher frequency system? |
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For backward compatibility, given all devices support 2G, I'd imagine 2G being kept - even with a tiny amount of spectrum - for some time.
But obviously one day it will go. Just not soon. All those smart meters and vending machines will get upgraded at some point so it won't be a problem. Any switch off date will be given years in advance. Not only will networks likely offer cheap upgrades to 4G devices, but I can even see going forward that networks will seek to upgrade people with 4G devices that don't support VoLTE. |
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Vodafone have been rolling out LTE 2100MHz and 1800MHz in certain areas. Initially, I thought the 2100MHz 4G was limited to just parts of Central London, but then I picked it up on the M25 near Wisley Common.
Vodafone 2100MHz 4G (L21) and 1800MHz 4G (L18) But then again, setting up 5MHz of L21 could start the overall transition of refarming all 2100MHz spectrum to 4G, leaving 900 to do the 3G (and 2G). Especially in areas that never got even U21, setting up L21 would give a nice capacity boost, to help keep the strain off L08. Also, seeing as though O2 didn't get any 2600 spectrum, I'd have thought that O2 would be more keen on rolling out L18 and L21, with Vodafone sticking to L26 (and possibly L18)... |
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For backward compatibility, given all devices support 2G, I'd imagine 2G being kept - even with a tiny amount of spectrum - for some time.
But obviously one day it will go. Just not soon. All those smart meters and vending machines will get upgraded at some point so it won't be a problem. Any switch off date will be given years in advance. Not only will networks likely offer cheap upgrades to 4G devices, but I can even see going forward that networks will seek to upgrade people with 4G devices that don't support VoLTE. I can't imagine that there are that many people (comparatively!) on smart meters - though I might be wrong. Though I do know that M2M would have to be migrated to 4G before a 2G switch off could occur. |
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Great video as always. I'm quite surprised that Vodafone have gone on to the route of L21 - I'd have thought that L18 (from G18) and L26 would have been more of a priority?
But then again, setting up 5MHz of L21 could start the overall transition of refarming all 2100MHz spectrum to 4G, leaving 900 to do the 3G (and 2G). Especially in areas that never got even U21, setting up L21 would give a nice capacity boost, to help keep the strain off L08. Also, seeing as though O2 didn't get any 2600 spectrum, I'd have thought that O2 would be more keen on rolling out L18 and L21, with Vodafone sticking to L26 (and possibly L18)... |
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If I recall correctly, one of the posts on the EE thread suggested that, when the time allows (i.e. almost all devices are running LTE/VoLTE), 2G and 3G could both run on just 5MHz each. Maybe, something like that will happen, to give users plenty of time (whilst also noticing performance decreasing) to switch to 4G devices, before finally switching off the last bit of 3G, followed by the last bit of 2G?
I can't imagine that there are that many people (comparatively!) on smart meters - though I might be wrong. Though I do know that M2M would have to be migrated to 4G before a 2G switch off could occur. 2G gets done last. As for smart meters and other M2M setups, I have no idea the numbers. I do know there are plans to switch to 4.5G with incredibly low latency, which will work for embedded communications that rely on real time data sending (tracking/positioning information for example). This should be happening right now, but how many old systems will get upgraded soon is something I wouldn't have a clue about. |
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What with all the planned upgrades to 2g and 3g masts appearing now and this move to switch some 3g 2100mhz over to 4g we might finally have some networks that can challenge and give EE a run for there money.. Hopefully by the end of 2016 we all should benefit from a much improved data and voice network, who knows maybe even those who live in Totnes!
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Chagford at the top of Dartmoor planned I see. It's getting closer. Totnes is planned for 2029.
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What with all the planned upgrades to 2g and 3g masts appearing now and this move to switch some 3g 2100mhz over to 4g we might finally have some networks that can challenge and give EE a run for there money.. Hopefully by the end of 2016 we all should benefit from a much improved data and voice network, who knows maybe even those who live in Totnes!
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Chagford Vo2 is being worked on this week!!!
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Chagford Vo2 is being worked on this week!!!
Chagford should give a good bit of coverage over the moor I expect. |
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Chagford Vo2 is being worked on this week!!!
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Thanks mate I will do my best! Im often down your way so i always keep a special look out!
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Vodafone has finally brought 3G (and 4G) to Raunds, Northamptonshire, according to the coverage map. It's a welcome addition to the old 2G mast that they used to use for Raunds.
Trouble is, the other networks (even O2) already had 3G here for a good few years... Oh well, at least all of the networks now have a data service running in Raunds! ![]() Next up: Thrapston... No O2 or Vodafone 3G in Thrapston (O2 have 2G900 and 2G1800) but there is 3 and EE 3G. Nothing showing on the planned coverage map yet. |
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but then again EE own the most 2100 out of the lot so there is nothing stopping them also doing this if they feel a threat from the other networks. they would be able to refarm more and still have a pretty decent chunk, just my opinion not heard them remotely considering it but the way EE like to boast the uks best and most advanced LTE network i would not put it past them along the lines
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I think EE are in the pound seats for best network going forward, especially if they really take 800 seriously. It needs to be on full power and to hell with anyone who won't buy the hardware to use it. That could one awesome network.
But they do need a rival to keep them honest and I think VOD could be the only option. The 900 2G network is still pretty compelling in rural areas and will be for a while yet. So I think VOD can also build a great network if they continue as they are. Then it comes down to data allowances, CS, deals etc. At the end of the day, competition is good for we, the consumer. |
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do the Hutchinson Jupiter masts that voda use support 2.6Ghz? or would they all have to be replaced again?.
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Some of them can as long as the correct Antennas installed. I know of one at Canary Wharf that is 2600 enabled. (although it is one of the smaller mock timber types)
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LTE2100 added to Hillington Ind, Glasgow on Vodafone. Its not any faster than LTE 800 though.
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Hutchinson Jupiter Dual stacks often do; the top stack used for UG09, u21, L08 and then the lower stack for additional services like L26 or split user U21.
Single stacks can too with the appropriate antennas installed. Paulker-thank you, I'll add to the site. |
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