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Old 31-10-2016, 14:36
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Old 31-10-2016, 18:27
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My guess is (and it's purely a guess) that cornerstone are solely reliant on BT fibre networks in this part of the country, which is being rolled out now, albeit very slowly, one roadside O2 2g mast has had a huawei 4g cabinet installed for around 18 months now but still no upgrade, it's a massive hole in Vodafone overall coverage in the area and a blackhole for data all round so must be waiting for backhaul surely. Alot of Vodafone & O2 masts are not in easy accessible locations unlike mbnl which has a wider range of masts to choose from and have already but the fibre legwork in over many years and have seemingly chose the best ones to beef up and make 4g. Still quite a few 3g/2g mbnl/EE masts around here.
The other thing I was thinking that might cause delays is planned work permits and landlord permission..
On some joint sites EE & three were quick off the mark and upgraded them. Surely in some cases if cornerstone rock up 6-12 months later and want the same thing done again they might hit some resistance getting permission to dig up and/or disrupt a given area again in such a short time.
Yes it could be that, however arnt VF putting in their own fibre to masts? Maybe it's them who are the reason for these slow rural upgrades?

I notice that where I am, EE are finally upgrading an old 2g mast near to me. It's taken a while but seems that since they became owned by BT it didn't take long to ha e open reach installing fibre and then the planning app went in. I guess being owner by BT does help.
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Old 31-10-2016, 18:42
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Guys does anyone know if there will be any mast installed in Nettlebed? May be someone has some info which would be very helpful as I work there now and VO2 signal very poor. Only EE/Three have good signal. I will be working for the next year and can not move to other network as my contract with Voda ends next year july. Very sad
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Old 31-10-2016, 19:38
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Guys does anyone know if there will be any mast installed in Nettlebed? May be someone has some info which would be very helpful as I work there now and VO2 signal very poor. Only EE/Three have good signal. I will be working for the next year and can not move to other network as my contract with Voda ends next year july. Very sad
I had a look at the Vodafone planned coverage on their website. It says, 'Sorry - there are no upgrades in the next 3 months to improve the coverage here'.

I have no idea whether you'll be working in an office, but if you are, would they let you use a SureSignal box?

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobi...SKU75375-white
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Old 31-10-2016, 20:57
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I had a look at the Vodafone planned coverage on their website. It says, 'Sorry - there are no upgrades in the next 3 months to improve the coverage here'.

I have no idea whether you'll be working in an office, but if you are, would they let you use a SureSignal box?

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobi...SKU75375-white
Thanks Ed I am self-employed and work indoors. The job will be long. I have checked voda planned map but wanted to know if there is any info about planning app or anything alse outside the Voda covegare map
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Old 01-11-2016, 06:51
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Yes it could be that, however arnt VF putting in their own fibre to masts? Maybe it's them who are the reason for these slow rural upgrades?

I notice that where I am, EE are finally upgrading an old 2g mast near to me. It's taken a while but seems that since they became owned by BT it didn't take long to ha e open reach installing fibre and then the planning app went in. I guess being owner by BT does help.
EE sent my other half a message saying 4g was coming on to our village (which is already here just outdoor only) haven't had time to check if it's the mbnl mast it shares with Vodafone on the edge of town which only covers half the village or the old orange 2g mast closer to town.
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Old 01-11-2016, 07:34
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Thought this thread had died then trying to look for it after being away for a while!

Got a comparison GIF of Voda 4G vs Voda 4G planned for any interested parties. Is 32mb though so wouldn't use your mobile data for it. http://imgur.com/a/JpuXN
Thanks for the map, really useful as Vodafone still don't let you zoom out to see UK coverage!
A couple of point sprang to mind when I looked at it though:
Firstly I can see why I'm often moaning about the lack of upgrades more then most, as behind Scotland, Shropshire, South Cheshire and mid Wales seem the furthest behind on the 4g map, also surprised at the amount of coverage in Northern Ireland.
Driving around though I'd say the network is as messed up as it's ever going to be, with a split of upgraded and none cornerstone upgraded masts resulting in massive call drop rates, surely it can only get better from now on.
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Old 01-11-2016, 08:31
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Old 01-11-2016, 10:16
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Thanks for the map, really useful as Vodafone still don't let you zoom out to see UK coverage!
You can zoom out using https://mapserver.vodafone.co.uk/arcgis/rest/services for current and planned 4G coverage.
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Old 01-11-2016, 17:20
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Thanks for the map, really useful as Vodafone still don't let you zoom out to see UK coverage!
A couple of point sprang to mind when I looked at it though:
Firstly I can see why I'm often moaning about the lack of upgrades more then most, as behind Scotland, Shropshire, South Cheshire and mid Wales seem the furthest behind on the 4g map, also surprised at the amount of coverage in Northern Ireland.
Driving around though I'd say the network is as messed up as it's ever going to be, with a split of upgraded and none cornerstone upgraded masts resulting in massive call drop rates, surely it can only get better from now on.
Yep suspect this is the worst point for them as they must be near the end of the easy upgrades and now in the more complex end of the middle band of upgrades. Maybe come next year they will be more settled and close to EE of today.
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Old 02-11-2016, 11:52
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"Vodafone told TechWeekEurope it has already surpassed the 90 percent target and claimed its 4G service reached 95 percent of the UK population."


Read more at http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/netw...BcPeqyQwrB7.99

So Vodafone are only 2% behind EE then when it comes to 4g coverage.
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Old 02-11-2016, 13:41
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"Vodafone told TechWeekEurope it has already surpassed the 90 percent target and claimed its 4G service reached 95 percent of the UK population."


Read more at http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/netw...BcPeqyQwrB7.99

So Vodafone are only 2% behind EE then when it comes to 4g coverage.
Looks like someone's made a mistake, they've surpassed 90% population coverage, but definitely not the end of 2017 90%geographical coverage.
EE is now up to 98%population and 70%geographical.
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Old 02-11-2016, 13:49
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Looks like someone's made a mistake, they've surpassed 90% population coverage, but definitely not the end of 2017 90%geographical coverage.
EE is now up to 98%population and 70%geographical.
I'm pretty sure the 90% cover only has to be 2g which I think Vodafone do provide
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Old 02-11-2016, 13:51
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I'm pretty sure the 90% cover only has to be 2g which I think Vodafone do provide
The last time I saw Ofcom measure 2G coverage I thought all operators were in the 70s, very possibly low 80s.
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According to statistics compiled by Ofcom in December 2014, Vodafone covered 82% of the UK land mass, while O2 and EE managed 78% coverage.
Unless Vodafone have been expanding 2G much more rapidly than 4G, it seems quite a feet to achieve.
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Old 02-11-2016, 14:42
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Vodafone results announcement in July said "4G coverage at 95% on the Ofcom definition", so I believe the figure to be correct. The trouble is, as I understand it the Ofcom definition is pretty meaningless, as the signal would be unusable at the figure they've chosen. I'm sure Vodafone used to also give their own figure (which was more realistic, but obviously lower), but I can't seem to find that in the latest results
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Old 02-11-2016, 14:55
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Vodafone results announcement in July said "4G coverage at 95% on the Ofcom definition", so I believe the figure to be correct. The trouble is, as I understand it the Ofcom definition is pretty meaningless, as the signal would be unusable at the figure they've chosen. I'm sure Vodafone used to also give their own figure (which was more realistic, but obviously lower), but I can't seem to find that in the latest results
But again that Ofcom definition was referring to outdoor population coverage, rather than geographic or landmass coverage. Providing voice/text to 90%geographic is much harder than 95%population (Ofcom).
To me the wording sounded like someone was claiming Vodafone had beaten the 90% target and is now at 95%, not realising that the 90% was referring to landmass and not population.
Maybe Vodafone have indeed managed it, but it seems odd that they could have managed it, with 4G only being 95%population. You may also have expected Vodafone to shout about it as a defence to the idea of national roaming.
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Old 02-11-2016, 15:26
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To me the wording sounded like someone was claiming Vodafone had beaten the 90% target and is now at 95%, not realising that the 90% was referring to landmass and not population.
Agreed. I think the journalist has misunderstood.
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Old 02-11-2016, 15:31
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I wonder if o2 are in the 90% range for its 4g coverage too, and where are 3 up to?
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Old 02-11-2016, 15:47
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I wonder if o2 are in the 90% range for its 4g coverage too, and where are 3 up to?
According to the Ofcom infrastructure report, all networks are up to at least 71% outdoor population coverage. Three networks are at 89%, so if we presume that you are able to receive O2, Vodafone and EE everywhere that you can receive 3, then O2 are at or above 89% according to Ofcom.
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Old 04-11-2016, 16:53
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With vodafone world traveller, do you get charged twice if you change countries on the same day, like if you were in the USA then flew to Canada? (As I have been charged twice it seems)
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Old 04-11-2016, 18:38
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I've been travelling to and from London a fair bit recently so decided to test each MNO on G-Net. This only takes coverage into account so full bars legacy 3G at 69Kbps is seen to be the same as 3G at 30Mbps but it's still a nice comparison.

Maps of the logs can be found here with colours as follows:
Green= 4G stronger than -115db
Orange= 3G stronger than -100db
Red= 2G, 3G weaker than -100db, or 4G weaker than -115db
Black= No Service

Vodafone:
No service: 2.8%
2G: 23.5%
3G: 4.2%
4G: 69.5%
3G and 4G: 73.7%

O2:
No service: 2.3%
2G: 29.7%
3G: 4.1%
4G: 63.8%
3G and 4G: 67.9%

EE:
Points recorded on no service: 1.8%
2G (red): 18.1%
3G (orange): 7.9%
4G (green): 72.2%
3G and 4G combined (likely 'usable' for data): 80.1%

Three:
No service: 3.8%
2G: 16.4%
3G: 48.9%
4G: 31.0%
3G and 4G: 79.9%

If anyone wants a render just of a specific area, tell me and I'll create one.
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Old 04-11-2016, 19:26
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I've been travelling to and from London a fair bit recently so decided to test each MNO on G-Net. This only takes coverage into account so full bars legacy 3G at 69Kbps is seen to be the same as 3G at 30Mbps but it's still a nice comparison.

Maps of the logs can be found here with colours as follows:
Green= 4G stronger than -115db
Orange= 3G stronger than -100db
Red= 2G, 3G weaker than -100db, or 4G weaker than -115db
Black= No Service

Vodafone:
No service: 2.8%
2G: 23.5%
3G: 4.2%
4G: 69.5%
3G and 4G: 73.7%

O2:
No service: 2.3%
2G: 29.7%
3G: 4.1%
4G: 63.8%
3G and 4G: 67.9%

EE:
Points recorded on no service: 1.8%
2G (red): 18.1%
3G (orange): 7.9%
4G (green): 72.2%
3G and 4G combined (likely 'usable' for data): 80.1%

Three:
No service: 3.8%
2G: 16.4%
3G: 48.9%
4G: 31.0%
3G and 4G: 79.9%

If anyone wants a render just of a specific area, tell me and I'll create one.
Interesting thanks.
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Old 04-11-2016, 23:37
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As soon as EE properly launch 800MHz around here I'm 95% sure I'm moving away from Vodafone and I'm going to try and convince my parents to move away from O2 (via Tesco Mobile).

O2/VF coverage has degraded to the point where I now have to use Wi-Fi Calling and my parents having iPhone 5ss, struggle. O2 and Vodafone used to be really solid around here but as soon as weak 4G became available the formerly strong 2G network is now incredibly weak too. I'm not sure how the two are related but that's what has happened.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:59
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As soon as EE properly launch 800MHz around here I'm 95% sure I'm moving away from Vodafone and I'm going to try and convince my parents to move away from O2 (via Tesco Mobile).

O2/VF coverage has degraded to the point where I now have to use Wi-Fi Calling and my parents having iPhone 5ss, struggle. O2 and Vodafone used to be really solid around here but as soon as weak 4G became available the formerly strong 2G network is now incredibly weak too. I'm not sure how the two are related but that's what has happened.
What postcode are are you seeing this happen in?
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Old 05-11-2016, 08:26
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As soon as EE properly launch 800MHz around here I'm 95% sure I'm moving away from Vodafone and I'm going to try and convince my parents to move away from O2 (via Tesco Mobile).

O2/VF coverage has degraded to the point where I now have to use Wi-Fi Calling and my parents having iPhone 5ss, struggle. O2 and Vodafone used to be really solid around here but as soon as weak 4G became available the formerly strong 2G network is now incredibly weak too. I'm not sure how the two are related but that's what has happened.
My situation is the same. I used to have very strong GPRS before the 4G roll out in many places. But since they started the EDGE is about 1 2 bars. Also very odd but when on the phone call from 3G it goes to GPRS and solid signal. When finish the call I see the GPRS on the screen but just for seconds and then it moves to EDGE or 3G. So Voda are still using GPRS signal. I have seen this in a lot of places after finishing my call. I start on 3G and then when finish i see gprs which is very strong as when i enter one of the locations i usually do not have signal there but if on a call signal is good on GPRS
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