They already support the iPhone 5 with 1800MHz LTE anyway.
Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“No date given at all. It's been testing for over a year, so I expect there are similar issues that have affected EE too.
I did get the impression that the issues are likely down to the handsets.
We have to consider that each manufacturer wants ownership of the IMS stack that goes on to allow VoLTE to work. You then have handsets that work with some operators and not others, which is messy.
You then have a handset that needs to work on equipment provided by Nokia, Ericsson, Samsung, Huawei etc.
Think of all the permutations and it will probably give you a real headache.
I bet they've got iOS working but now have to deal with phones from everyone else, and make sure that they all work properly on all the equipment. I don't envy Vodafone or the others, but sometimes I think VoLTE is never going to happen.”
“No date given at all. It's been testing for over a year, so I expect there are similar issues that have affected EE too.
I did get the impression that the issues are likely down to the handsets.
We have to consider that each manufacturer wants ownership of the IMS stack that goes on to allow VoLTE to work. You then have handsets that work with some operators and not others, which is messy.
You then have a handset that needs to work on equipment provided by Nokia, Ericsson, Samsung, Huawei etc.
Think of all the permutations and it will probably give you a real headache.
I bet they've got iOS working but now have to deal with phones from everyone else, and make sure that they all work properly on all the equipment. I don't envy Vodafone or the others, but sometimes I think VoLTE is never going to happen.”
so may be Voda can start VoLTE with Apple. Not a good news then. I was hoping but my hope is going now and if they do not switch on VoLTE by middle of next year I will move to EE if they turn 4G800 power up. Also EE wifi calling is better than the Vodafone. I do not understand why Voda do not start rolling the VoLTE with very few handsets like Apple
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“The network people seem to have a very positive buzz and also appear hungry to catch up, and beat, EE. I'd have normally laughed at the prospect of them getting to where EE is, but they have plans to do it that might be different - but will get the same results, perhaps even better (the indoor stuff). If Vodafone is really feeling in the competitive mood, that's got to be a good thing for everyone. (I do wonder, post Olaf, if BT will have the same appetite in the coming years).
Perhaps outdoor coverage in very rural areas could remain an issue, but a lot of the problems that have affected site upgrades (planning issues, getting fibre to sites etc) are presumably getting resolved all around the same time.
We will obviously have to wait and see, but there's no doubt that Vodafone has come a long way. O2 obviously has too, but it doesn't have the same level of spectrum and when it comes to the indoor stuff, SureSignal projects etc I guess O2 has no involvement in that at all.”
“The network people seem to have a very positive buzz and also appear hungry to catch up, and beat, EE. I'd have normally laughed at the prospect of them getting to where EE is, but they have plans to do it that might be different - but will get the same results, perhaps even better (the indoor stuff). If Vodafone is really feeling in the competitive mood, that's got to be a good thing for everyone. (I do wonder, post Olaf, if BT will have the same appetite in the coming years).
Perhaps outdoor coverage in very rural areas could remain an issue, but a lot of the problems that have affected site upgrades (planning issues, getting fibre to sites etc) are presumably getting resolved all around the same time.
We will obviously have to wait and see, but there's no doubt that Vodafone has come a long way. O2 obviously has too, but it doesn't have the same level of spectrum and when it comes to the indoor stuff, SureSignal projects etc I guess O2 has no involvement in that at all.”
Have you had confirmation from Voda that these 4G sites are not part of Beacon? As far as I was aware it was only corporate solutions that were being kept seperate. For example Voda's recent deal with JC Decaux for small cells is included in Beacon.
02 4G seems to be capped at 20/20ish here, not sure if it's the same nationwide?
http://i.imgur.com/9D78IH8.png
http://i.imgur.com/9D78IH8.png
EE user here but noticed a fair few planning applications for CTIL around the local area which is great to see. Most of these are in areas that EE have traditionally had the upper hand with regards to coverage but it looks as if o2/voda will close that gap and maybe even offer improved coverage.
It will come down I think to how well and how far EE roll out their 800 4G but still encouraging to see improvements made by o2/voda. I might even grab myself a SIM and see how things are doing
It will come down I think to how well and how far EE roll out their 800 4G but still encouraging to see improvements made by o2/voda. I might even grab myself a SIM and see how things are doing
Originally Posted by Skippy2005:
“I think Vodafone is going to sell their 5mhz of 1800 to o2.”
“I think Vodafone is going to sell their 5mhz of 1800 to o2.”
Sounds like wishful thinking, based on what you think would be a neat arrangement.
Originally Posted by binary:
“Sounds like wishful thinking, based on what you think would be a neat arrangement.”
“Sounds like wishful thinking, based on what you think would be a neat arrangement.”
Vodafone seem to be removing all the G1800 from their masts. Why clear off the spectrum if you intend to use it?
Vodafone selling their 1800Mhz probably would benefit O2 quite a lot, but it's not like Vodafone are cash strapped, nor would they want to help there competitor so I can't really see what's in it for Vodafone.
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Vodafone selling their 1800Mhz probably would benefit O2 quite a lot, but it's not like Vodafone are cash strapped, nor would they want to help there competitor so I can't really see what's in it for Vodafone.”
“Vodafone selling their 1800Mhz probably would benefit O2 quite a lot, but it's not like Vodafone are cash strapped, nor would they want to help there competitor so I can't really see what's in it for Vodafone.”
Offer them that so VF can play hard for 2300?
Originally Posted by Skippy2005:
“Offer them that so VF can play hard for 2300?”
“Offer them that so VF can play hard for 2300?”
Good point, maybe there could be some agreement that O2 won't bid for more than 10MHz of 2300MHz if Vodafone gift them 5MHz of 1800MHz
I'm hoping someone on here has better info than what the coverage checker shows.
There is a specific part of Belfast that seems to have a severe problem with 4G. It is in the City Centre and the postcode of the general location is BT1 3HX. We have had 4G over here for quite some time and I have done loads of speed tests in loads of locations but none are as bad as when I am in that location. The best I had was 68.22Mbps down and 23.99Mbps up. I have had faster uploads but not with that download and the test wasn't done in the location I'm talking about, I'm just illustrating the speeds that are achievable over here.
Anyway, it wouldn't be unusual to get such a poor 4G speed that I can't get a web page to load. I force my phone to 3G (I imagine DC-HSDPA) and I can get a really good speed of around 10Mbps down which is perfect for most things. I should mention it is only during the day that these issues happen.
I have been on Twitter to complain a few times but I never get a reply and it's pissing me off.
I take it is just a lack of masts or capacity to handle the busy City Centre during the day?
Davy
There is a specific part of Belfast that seems to have a severe problem with 4G. It is in the City Centre and the postcode of the general location is BT1 3HX. We have had 4G over here for quite some time and I have done loads of speed tests in loads of locations but none are as bad as when I am in that location. The best I had was 68.22Mbps down and 23.99Mbps up. I have had faster uploads but not with that download and the test wasn't done in the location I'm talking about, I'm just illustrating the speeds that are achievable over here.
Anyway, it wouldn't be unusual to get such a poor 4G speed that I can't get a web page to load. I force my phone to 3G (I imagine DC-HSDPA) and I can get a really good speed of around 10Mbps down which is perfect for most things. I should mention it is only during the day that these issues happen.
I have been on Twitter to complain a few times but I never get a reply and it's pissing me off.
I take it is just a lack of masts or capacity to handle the busy City Centre during the day?
Davy
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“If you get a Pixel you'd be okay.”
“If you get a Pixel you'd be okay.”
I was loving the phone until I read that there was no sd card for expansion and if I recall no option to buy on with larger capacity as standard,
Google keep pushing this dream of a cloud based world.. No network has is remotely good enough for this yet in the UK and won't for some years, even then... Google have heard of data limited packages on mobile networks haven't they? Either that or we have to pay per mb.
No I closed the browser page soon as I read no memory expansion.
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“Good point, maybe there could be some agreement that O2 won't bid for more than 10MHz of 2300MHz if Vodafone gift them 5MHz of 1800MHz”
“Good point, maybe there could be some agreement that O2 won't bid for more than 10MHz of 2300MHz if Vodafone gift them 5MHz of 1800MHz”
Worked with 3. When EE handed them 1800mhz for nothing I know it was partly because of the merger but still. I feel it wasn't the only motive. I don't think VF would give it away either.
So if that prediction is correct, we'd possibly end up with an end-game of:
Vodafone running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz and 4G at 800, 2100 and 2600Mhz
O2 running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz, and 4G at 800, 1800Mhz and 2100Mhz
Vodafone running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz and 4G at 800, 2100 and 2600Mhz
O2 running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz, and 4G at 800, 1800Mhz and 2100Mhz
Originally Posted by blueacid:
“So if that prediction is correct, we'd possibly end up with an end-game of:
Vodafone running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz and 4G at 800, 2100 and 2600Mhz
O2 running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz, and 4G at 800, 1800Mhz and 2100Mhz”
“So if that prediction is correct, we'd possibly end up with an end-game of:
Vodafone running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz and 4G at 800, 2100 and 2600Mhz
O2 running 2G and 3G at 900Mhz, and 4G at 800, 1800Mhz and 2100Mhz”
I think so. But for now VF will continue to have 5mhz U21 as they have 15mhz@2100
What was wrong with the map? Seemed to work OK for me this morning..
As a side note. Vodafone do use 1800mhz for 4G in at Heathrow T5 and around financial district in London last time I was there.
As a side note. Vodafone do use 1800mhz for 4G in at Heathrow T5 and around financial district in London last time I was there.
I'm in Lyme Regis in Dorset right now, this is being sent on EE via 4G. In my other poket is an indentical phone with a Vodafone SIM, only Edge is available. It's broadly typical of what I've found in ghe area.
VF have a way to go still
VF have a way to go still
Looking on the coverage checker, EE hasn't got it all covered. Three also seems to only have coverage on the east. But it's definitely better for 3G on anything but Vodafone or O2.
Sadly there are no upgrade works planned for the next 3 months at least, according to the VF checker.
Sadly there are no upgrade works planned for the next 3 months at least, according to the VF checker.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Looking on the coverage checker, EE hasn't got it all covered. Three also seems to only have coverage on the east. But it's definitely better for 3G on anything but Vodafone or O2.
Sadly there are no upgrade works planned for the next 3 months at least, according to the VF checker.”
“Looking on the coverage checker, EE hasn't got it all covered. Three also seems to only have coverage on the east. But it's definitely better for 3G on anything but Vodafone or O2.
Sadly there are no upgrade works planned for the next 3 months at least, according to the VF checker.”
Mrs C has 3G on Three here. The only town I've been to where EE failed to have anything above GPRS was Aldeburgh on the Suffolk coast. That was 18 months ago, I suspect it's OK there now ?
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Sadly there are no upgrade works planned for the next 3 months at least, according to the VF checker.”
“Sadly there are no upgrade works planned for the next 3 months at least, according to the VF checker.”
Won't be long. CTIL were granted planning permission in March to upgrade the Vodafone 2G mast in Charmouth Road Car park, but apparently they had problems with the landlord (Council?) not allowing them to renew the lease so that upgrade couldn't go ahead. The plans are here:
http://webapps.westdorset-weymouth.g...WD/D/15/002080
So now CTIL have just (27 October) had planning permission granted to extend the height of an O2/Arquiva 2G-only tower in Lyme Regis and deploy 4G:
http://webapps.westdorset-weymouth.g...WD/D/16/001810
In my experience EE certainly has a good head start, but CTIL are really increasing the speed of their rollouts and by deploying L800 everywhere the coverage (particularly indoor) is better than EEs L1800.
However I do find that CTIL seem to encounter more problems with planning permission than EE. Often the CTIL applications miss key information, or don't consult all the right bodies, or make other errors which means their applications take many months while EEs tend to go through in a few weeks.
Originally Posted by Mark C:
“I'm in Lyme Regis in Dorset right now, this is being sent on EE via 4G. In my other poket is an indentical phone with a Vodafone SIM, only Edge is available. It's broadly typical of what I've found in ghe area.
VF have a way to go still”
“I'm in Lyme Regis in Dorset right now, this is being sent on EE via 4G. In my other poket is an indentical phone with a Vodafone SIM, only Edge is available. It's broadly typical of what I've found in ghe area.
VF have a way to go still”
Welcome to the Westcountry.
The land that Voda forgot!
Although stuff is starting to happen... really slowly.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Finally, I was invited to go along with them sometime in the next few months to see what they've been doing - and that a lot of the work that's been primarily south of the river in London is spreading north.”
“Finally, I was invited to go along with them sometime in the next few months to see what they've been doing - and that a lot of the work that's been primarily south of the river in London is spreading north.”
This is long overdue - I went south of the river yesterday and saw consistent 100Mbps+ speeds, with one speedtest showing 227Mbps, confirming 3CA. However once I crossed the river again I was back to congested 6Mbps standard one carrier LTE...
I never understood the rationale of upgrading certain areas, rather than upgrading by site congestion.
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