When they turn on a few key masts in the next few weeks, coverage on 4G will more then rival ee and blow three out the a water in Nantwich, Crewe and parts of south cheshire, they need to start adding a few rural masts to the upgrade program to fill the massive holes where there is no data connection at all,hope they don't leave this till last aa it will leave a real feast or famine network of little use to anyone.
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The Staffs / Cheshire roll out is taking shape. Like you say Crewe and Nantwich soon to be done and should fill most gaps in.
There are still gaps in urban areas though that need doing as well so probably a couple more months worth of work to go.
There are still gaps in urban areas though that need doing as well so probably a couple more months worth of work to go.
Originally Posted by Skippy2005:
“I have been testing out the speeds on 4 and 3G at home in Wakefield City Centre, to my astonishment yesterday I was getting 9mb down and 2-3mb up on 3G900!!! When I looked at the carrier info on the iPhone it said it was MIMO, instead of single carrier does this mean Vodafone are running DC-900? Or is that a different thing all together? Thanks”
“I have been testing out the speeds on 4 and 3G at home in Wakefield City Centre, to my astonishment yesterday I was getting 9mb down and 2-3mb up on 3G900!!! When I looked at the carrier info on the iPhone it said it was MIMO, instead of single carrier does this mean Vodafone are running DC-900? Or is that a different thing all together? Thanks”
Anyone?
Originally Posted by Skippy2005:
“Anyone?”
“Anyone?”
MIMO and DC are different, MIMO uses two or more antennas for input and two or more antennas for output. DC aggregates two 5MHz slices to make 10MHz.
I know Vodafone originally rolled out 2100MHz MIMO 28mbps before DC 42mbps but I don't know what the situation is for 900MHz.
As usual someone can probably give a more in depth explanation than this.
Some nice speeds around Teesside this evening..
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People slag off O2 but when it's good it's good!
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People slag off O2 but when it's good it's good!
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“In Frensham today and got some nice 10Mb 4G from Vodafone...”
“In Frensham today and got some nice 10Mb 4G from Vodafone...”
Wow, that area was a 2G only area on all networks. People I knew who lived there had to get SureSignal's to use phone indoors.
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“MIMO and DC are different, MIMO uses two or more antennas for input and two or more antennas for output. DC aggregates two 5MHz slices to make 10MHz.
I know Vodafone originally rolled out 2100MHz MIMO 28mbps before DC 42mbps but I don't know what the situation is for 900MHz.
As usual someone can probably give a more in depth explanation than this.”
“MIMO and DC are different, MIMO uses two or more antennas for input and two or more antennas for output. DC aggregates two 5MHz slices to make 10MHz.
I know Vodafone originally rolled out 2100MHz MIMO 28mbps before DC 42mbps but I don't know what the situation is for 900MHz.
As usual someone can probably give a more in depth explanation than this.”
Thanks, I see the difference now. All the 900 around here seems to be MIMO even out at work away from the town centre. Good speeds though at 9mb.
The upgraded sites to cornerstone are knocking out around 20-30mb on 2100 Voda in some cases faster than 4G but there is quite a bit of site being upgraded to cornerstone towards the end of this month so we shall see.
Yes, on O2/Vod 3G900 there is no dual carrier. It still works well on the 4G sites though.
On an iPhone you can see if a 3G cell is DC by looking at the secondary HARQ process in FieldTest.
On an iPhone you can see if a 3G cell is DC by looking at the secondary HARQ process in FieldTest.
Originally Posted by japaul:
“Yes, on O2/Vod 3G900 there is no dual carrier. It still works well on the 4G sites though.
On an iPhone you can see if a 3G cell is DC by looking at the secondary HARQ process in FieldTest.”
“Yes, on O2/Vod 3G900 there is no dual carrier. It still works well on the 4G sites though.
On an iPhone you can see if a 3G cell is DC by looking at the secondary HARQ process in FieldTest.”
Expect there likely never will be when 900MHz is refarmed it will go striaght to 4G or 5G I imagine.
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“How do people know what version of 3g they are on?”
“How do people know what version of 3g they are on?”
Some Android apps will tell you the signal type being received. Problem is some phones don't tell you the right one until you're actually in a call or downloading a large amount of data - and I suspect some are reporting unreliable info.
We are nearing the end of summer. Where is wifi calling on Vodafone. I bet it's launched with the new iPhone in September.
Originally Posted by Skippy2005:
“Thanks, I see the difference now. All the 900 around here seems to be MIMO even out at work away from the town centre. Good speeds though at 9mb.
The upgraded sites to cornerstone are knocking out around 20-30mb on 2100 Voda in some cases faster than 4G but there is quite a bit of site being upgraded to cornerstone towards the end of this month so we shall see.”
“Thanks, I see the difference now. All the 900 around here seems to be MIMO even out at work away from the town centre. Good speeds though at 9mb.
The upgraded sites to cornerstone are knocking out around 20-30mb on 2100 Voda in some cases faster than 4G but there is quite a bit of site being upgraded to cornerstone towards the end of this month so we shall see.”
I see H+ on my note 4 when using 900mhz 3g on Vodafone if that means anything??
Get around 5mbps early in the morning before everyone jumps on and grinds it to a halt.
It does seem often to be the case that 2100mhz 3g often beats 4g in my tests, my guess is nobody's really on it as if you have a 900mhz capable phone in my tests you'll be on that unless very close to the mast or quickly down to 2g if not..
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“The Staffs / Cheshire roll out is taking shape. Like you say Crewe and Nantwich soon to be done and should fill most gaps in.
There are still gaps in urban areas though that need doing as well so probably a couple more months worth of work to go.”
“The Staffs / Cheshire roll out is taking shape. Like you say Crewe and Nantwich soon to be done and should fill most gaps in.
There are still gaps in urban areas though that need doing as well so probably a couple more months worth of work to go.”
Really pleased here tonight, it's as though cornerstone had read my mind!
Coming home on a section of my work commute the O2 2G only monopole mast on the A442/A53 roundabout has had the silly tatty wooden box over where the Vodafone cabinet was supposed to be for the past year, driving past tonight it's gone and been replaced with a shiny new 4g cabinet.. This aras is a massive black hole with no 3g and not even a usable 2g for Vodafone so will be a massive boost in coverage even discounting the 800mhz 4g boost! Unless three launch three 800mhz in the next few weeks I think I'll transfer my main phone to Vodafone now as the coverage that I use on a daily basis at least will be untouchable, only EE can maybe match it if the 4g an only orange 2g site and another mbnl 3g site.. Even then....
H+ is shown on my phones when on 900MHz and 2100MHz.
When staying at a friend in Leeds, the 3G was generally much the same as the 4G, but that's because he's well covered by three 900/2100MHz sites but only one 4G800 site.
You can work out what a lot of sites output by the antenna feeders and antenna catalogues.
When staying at a friend in Leeds, the 3G was generally much the same as the 4G, but that's because he's well covered by three 900/2100MHz sites but only one 4G800 site.
You can work out what a lot of sites output by the antenna feeders and antenna catalogues.
That might come on handy wben I'm at Turnhill in a couple of weeks then. 
I know it was a right pain around that area, even getting any signal at The Swan with Two Necks is a pain as it seems too far out from the urban area that used to be the VF/O2 way.
I know it was a right pain around that area, even getting any signal at The Swan with Two Necks is a pain as it seems too far out from the urban area that used to be the VF/O2 way.
Originally Posted by jchamier:
“Wow, that area was a 2G only area on all networks. People I knew who lived there had to get SureSignal's to use phone indoors.”
“Wow, that area was a 2G only area on all networks. People I knew who lived there had to get SureSignal's to use phone indoors.”
iPhone 4S was stuck on full-bar GPRS from O2. Didn't have an EE SIM to check unfortunately.
Seems to be one of Vodafone's many 2G/4G areas...
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“That might come on handy wben I'm at Turnhill in a couple of weeks then. I know it was a right pain around that area, even getting any signal at The Swan with Two Necks is a pain as it seems too far out from the urban area that used to be the VF/O2 way.”
“That might come on handy wben I'm at Turnhill in a couple of weeks then.
I know it was a right pain around that area, even getting any signal at The Swan with Two Necks is a pain as it seems too far out from the urban area that used to be the VF/O2 way.”
It's the landscape around the Swan which is again't all networks, plenty if masts not far from that area it just needs a small filler cell as calls always drop when passing though there which is a pain, though Can't see any network doing it anytime soon.
The mast at the Hodnet island will fill in a big hole for Vodafone on 2g and 3g/4G if they get the power right on the A53 & A442, three and EE have it covered by a small lollipop mast behind the hotel on the A53/A41 island and a larger mast tucked behind a bank near the same island as the O2 mast but there not well placed so don't cover well at all so fall away to nothing after about a mlie,
I checked Shropshire planning website and lots of planing apps out in for upgrades to 2g masts around the county, could take a year or 2 based on the date of the Hodnet one but it's still a positive move!
A number of us have recently got 4g as standard now on vodafone payg using the £10 a month text and web freebie. I've been using this service like that for well over four years now (3g of course up till now), topping up only £10 every month.
Is this new? Saw O2 were giving all their payg customers 4g as standard, but not seen any announcement from vodafone.
4g was only available before on payg if you topped up with £20 a month.
So welcome and nice all the same.
Is this new? Saw O2 were giving all their payg customers 4g as standard, but not seen any announcement from vodafone.
4g was only available before on payg if you topped up with £20 a month.
So welcome and nice all the same.
VOD do seem to actually be doing something at last which is good news for everyone, not just their customers. Competition is what will make UK data coverage better for all networks and so far only EE and 3 have bothered to turn up.
Much better value for 4g now, just reactivated my payg sim again by adding some credit to the phone then using £5 if it to buy a 500mb data pack, good enough for my testing over the next few weeks, even if I buy 1 or 2 more is better then a flat £20 min for 4g..
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“MIMO and DC are different, MIMO uses two or more antennas for input and two or more antennas for output. DC aggregates two 5MHz slices to make 10MHz.
I know Vodafone originally rolled out 2100MHz MIMO 28mbps before DC 42mbps but I don't know what the situation is for 900MHz.
As usual someone can probably give a more in depth explanation than this.”
“MIMO and DC are different, MIMO uses two or more antennas for input and two or more antennas for output. DC aggregates two 5MHz slices to make 10MHz.
I know Vodafone originally rolled out 2100MHz MIMO 28mbps before DC 42mbps but I don't know what the situation is for 900MHz.
As usual someone can probably give a more in depth explanation than this.”
What you have to remember for VOD & O2 is that they only have something like 17.5Mhz of 900 so they can't realistically use 10Mhz (DC) for 3G or there wouldn't be enough left for 2G.
Due to the breathing nature (and general overall reduced coverage) of 3G there would still be too many people / M2M devices on 2G to shove an extra 5Mhz chunk of 2G over to 3G.
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“What you have to remember for VOD & O2 is that they only have something like 17.5Mhz of 900 so they can't realistically use 10Mhz (DC) for 3G or there wouldn't be enough left for 2G.
Due to the breathing nature (and general overall reduced coverage) of 3G there would still be too many people / M2M devices on 2G to shove an extra 5Mhz chunk of 2G over to 3G.”
“What you have to remember for VOD & O2 is that they only have something like 17.5Mhz of 900 so they can't realistically use 10Mhz (DC) for 3G or there wouldn't be enough left for 2G.
Due to the breathing nature (and general overall reduced coverage) of 3G there would still be too many people / M2M devices on 2G to shove an extra 5Mhz chunk of 2G over to 3G.”
I'm a little confused 😕 if this is right and the post about mimo, there is only one mast that Vodafone have in the local town which is 4g'd and which had 900mhz 3g, the other is only single carrier 2nd Gen 3g, when in use this mast on 900mhz 3g the phone switches to H+ indicating DC-Hsdpa how can that be?
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