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Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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Gigabit
19-08-2015
My OnePlus One is picking up O2 4G but as we know this device doesn't support 800MHz.

What band could it be using then?
lightspeed2398
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“My OnePlus One is picking up O2 4G but as we know this device doesn't support 800MHz.

What band could it be using then?”

Refarmed 1800?
jaffboy151
19-08-2015
Was surprised when trying out a O2 sim just how little 3g there was around here compared to Vodafone, I thought they would be nearly identical but Vodafone seem to use 900mhz much more then O2 which I guess makes the difference,
Gigabit
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
“Refarmed 1800?”

Are O2 commonly doing this? I thought they were literally only using 800MHz although I may be wrong.

It kicked me off it very quickly (to GPRS)
enapace
19-08-2015
Interesting if they have started refarming 1800MHz didn't think they would need it yet.
Denco1
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“Are O2 commonly doing this? I thought they were literally only using 800MHz although I may be wrong.

It kicked me off it very quickly (to GPRS) ”

A glitch on your OPO? I double checked how much 1800MHz O2 2G was left in Manchester and it was still a considerable amount, enough to cause interference if they started 1800MHz 4G. I'm thinking maybe your OPO quickly registered on EE/Three 1800MHz then returned to O2 2G.
Denco1
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by iampaulxo:
“Yeah it was just an example but I think the highest I've seen is about -64dBm or thereabouts, very rare to get that sort of figure ever unless the masts were running on full power of course.”

Originally Posted by M1kos:
“It all depends how close you can get to the panel antennas a site near me shows -45dBm if you are exactly in front of them as the antennas are low down about 12m agl”

I tend to get around -50dBm around a streetworks mast, macros on buildings I get -60-70dBm, I assume quite a lot are on reduced power as to not interfere too much with neighbouring cells, and also beam tilt wouldn't be optimised for me stood so close to the building.
iampaulxo
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“It all depends how close you can get to the panel antennas a site near me shows -45dBm if you are exactly in front of them as the antennas are low down about 12m agl”

Wow I've never managed to get that sort of figure ever, to be fair the only readings I have checked to a great extent is when I was on the 3 network and the highest I managed was about -72dBm I think.
iampaulxo
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“A glitch on your OPO? I double checked how much 1800MHz O2 2G was left in Manchester and it was still a considerable amount, enough to cause interference if they started 1800MHz 4G. I'm thinking maybe your OPO quickly registered on EE/Three 1800MHz then returned to O2 2G.”

If they've refarmed 1800MHz then they've certainly kept that one quiet. I thought O2 (and also Vodafone) actually hold very little amount of spectrum compared to how much EE hold. From my remembering when they used to be Orange and T-Mobile they had far more spectrum where O2 and Vodafone relied mainly on their 900MHz to deliver 2G.
Pedro_C
19-08-2015
Vodafone and o2 both have 2x5.8MHz on 1800MHz, so a reasonable amount. Orange and T Mobile each had 2x30MHz
iampaulxo
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“Vodafone and o2 both have 2x5.8MHz on 1800MHz, so a reasonable amount. Orange and T Mobile each had 2x30MHz”

That's not too bad then, when O2 do eventually merge with Three, then with what Three already have, they can start running 2x20MHz on 1800MHz which of course leaves them with 2x0.8MHz to which there is no point aggregating, I wouldn't even know what they would use that for even! Lol. That combined with 2x15MHz of 800MHz when they do eventually merge will build up a pretty solid network in my opinion.
M1kos
19-08-2015
Are VO2 licenced to use 1800 for 4G??
plymouthbloke1974
19-08-2015
They all had their licences amended to allow all technologies on their frequency holdings.
M1kos
19-08-2015
Vodafone are beginning their 4G rollout in Plymouth from the 1st September source www.twitter.com/phonemast
Zee_Bukhari
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Vodafone are beginning their 4G rollout in Plymouth from the 1st September source www.twitter.com/phonemast”

does that page only post about Vodafone and O2? Seems like it....
Gigabit
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Denco1:
“A glitch on your OPO? I double checked how much 1800MHz O2 2G was left in Manchester and it was still a considerable amount, enough to cause interference if they started 1800MHz 4G. I'm thinking maybe your OPO quickly registered on EE/Three 1800MHz then returned to O2 2G.”

This was on the A1 BTW.

I was able to use the connection for 30 seconds or so before it went to GPRS and it was very responsive just like 4G is. A webpage loaded very quickly which from a lot of experience of O2 doesn't happen with 2G or 3G.

Could it be a network test?
Stereo Steve
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Vodafone are beginning their 4G rollout in Plymouth from the 1st September source www.twitter.com/phonemast”

Plymouth came up as planned a while back but then vanished from the map again. I would have thought there and Exeter would be major targets to get done soon. I notice Dawlish is planned as well. Seems to be all a bit random if you believe the map.
japaul
19-08-2015
O2 did mention recently that they are planning on refarming 1800 to add 4G capacity.
enapace
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by japaul:
“O2 did mention recently that they are planning on refarming 1800 to add 4G capacity.”

interesting I wonder if that is part of the agreement between Three/O2 for the buyout. Would be useful if the deal fell through as well so O2 haven't got anything to lose if it falls through.
lightspeed2398
19-08-2015
o2 and Vodafone would have to swap their 1800 spectrum though for it to be continuous with 3's. I can imagine Vodafone would block this?
enapace
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
“o2 and Vodafone would have to swap their 1800 spectrum though for it to be continuous with 3's. I can imagine Vodafone would block this?”

They could willing swap the spectrum networks do it like Verizon + T-Mobile US are doing at present. Spectrum doesn't need be continuous to be useful they could use intraband CA [What O2/Three would have to do] is actually easier than what EE has done with 1800+2600MHz at present.
japaul
19-08-2015
It's not connected to the 3O2 deal - just something they are doing themselves as they feel it would be useful. They only mentioned it very recently.

I've found a brief reference to it in this article on O2's SON plans. It also mentions wifi calling.

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4...from-customers
enapace
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by japaul:
“It's not connected to the 3O2 deal - just something they are doing themselves as they feel it would be useful. They only mentioned it very recently.

I've found a brief reference to it in this article on O2's SON plans. It also mentions wifi calling.

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4...from-customers”

Thanks for the link interesting to know that O2 aren't even targeting VoLTE/VoWiFi this year.
jaffboy151
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“This was on the A1 BTW.

I was able to use the connection for 30 seconds or so before it went to GPRS and it was very responsive just like 4G is. A webpage loaded very quickly which from a lot of experience of O2 doesn't happen with 2G or 3G.

Could it be a network test?”

This used to happen a lot when three used a lot of 2g orange backup, used connect to G or E for a minute or 2 before getting chucked off. Could be that but would be nice if it's the start of a bit of refarming though.

Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Plymouth came up as planned a while back but then vanished from the map again. I would have thought there and Exeter would be major targets to get done soon. I notice Dawlish is planned as well. Seems to be all a bit random if you believe the map.”

Vodafone's predicted coverage maps are often total fantasy. At best they give a rough idea of work taking place on the area, whole areas have come and gone several times here while others never make it and just go live, best idea you can often get is cross checking with the maintenence report as a few mast upgrade here have just been listed as work improving call and data.
M1kos
20-08-2015
Dont talk to me about Voda Coverage Map which is a total Joke especially on 3G I see Buckfastleigh and Beacon Hill have been removed for the future coverage again thats 3 times now on a plus Bude is now showing 3G as future !
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