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Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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lost boy
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by enapace:
“If Three are restricting there 4G 800MHz to only VoLTE devices it should be a far better signal than 3G900 won't suffer cell breathing for a start.”

Well... it should be more consistent, cell location allowing, while coverage wise I personally wouldn't expect much more than what 900 gives already on 2G let alone 3G.

With that in mind Three's 4G shouldn't be a problem. O2's 4G on the other hand...
enapace
10-09-2015
Originally Posted by lost boy:
“Well... it should be more consistent, cell location allowing, while coverage wise I personally wouldn't expect much more than what 900 gives already on 2G let alone 3G.

With that in mind Three's 4G shouldn't be a problem. O2's 4G on the other hand...”

Agreed it should match 2G900 but that is an impressive range and indoor capability no one could argue with those results.
jaffboy151
10-09-2015
Quick question I hope someone can answer for me:
Want to transfer my galaxy note 4 to Vodafone full time but only if I can unlock the settings to select 3g/4g only (no 2g) like I can on my Sony phone.
Not interested in fancy firmware just to unlock these settings on my phone using the simplest method.
Help anyone? :
M1kos
11-09-2015
Just get the Telinfo app wand select wcdma/lte only
jaffboy151
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Just get the Telinfo app wand select wcdma/lte only”

That and other such apps don't work on Samsung phones, even with my old S5 rooted it shows up error messages saying not the native Google api or something to do with SELinux restrictions?
I've found Vodafone to be very good now in my area but only if I turn off 2g access on my Sony xperia. Otherwise it sticks on the many rural 2g only masts which is not good. Like my note but Samsung seem to make things so difficult, especially with lollipop.
Gigabit
11-09-2015
Originally Posted by lost boy:
“It is indeed.

In your case you're probably right. IMO I'd say you're getting 3G900 from O2 and 3G2100 from Three/EE, which would explain the difference there and, as long as Three put out their 800 at similar power levels to O2's 3G900 you should be fine.

In my case (just for comparison) it's all a bit of a mess, and I probably know far too much about it for my own good:

My nearest O2 mast and my nearest Three/EE mast are both pretty close to me, and about 100 metres or so away from each other. O2 is 2G only though (circa -89dBm) while the Three/EE mast is hopelessly congested so won't accept connections except for overnight in the small hours (at circa -83dBm on 3G).

Second choice Three/EE mast is a bit further away (and is, I believe, the nearest one EE have 4G on), but gives -89dBm or so on 3G (about the same on 2G). Second choice O2 mast meanwhile is further away still, covers a sizably large area, and gives -105dBm or so on 3G2100, -87dBm or so on 2G900... and around -89dBm on 3G900. However, due to poor mast location and lack of masts, cell breathing is very much in effect and that 3G900 signal is anything but consistent, which is a bit of a shame really as when available it's actually very good.”

I should have mentioned, O2 and Vodafone are stuck on EDGE/GPRS indoors so 2G900.

Vodafone seems to have 1 or 2 bars of HSPA+ outdoors now (-105dBm signal at maximum) but the connection doesn't actually work for anything. O2 3G is nowehere to be seen.

4G is now available from O2 and Vodafone, with identical signal, but at -120dBm so I'm guessing that's a shared mast but quite some distance away.
M1kos
14-09-2015
Vodafone are upgrading more sites in #Plymouth 7 in total are undergoing 4G #Vo2 upgrades one in Plymstock began today also I noticed that Padstow is being worked on next month
moox
14-09-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Vodafone are upgrading more sites in #Plymouth 7 in total are undergoing 4G #Vo2 upgrades one in Plymstock began today also I noticed that Padstow is being worked on next month”

I haven't looked on the planning site in a while but there were a number of planning applications across Cornwall for Cornerstone. Hopefully that means rapid deployment
Stereo Steve
14-09-2015
They do seem to be doing stuff. It would be good if the 'planned' bit on the map was more accurate instead of turning stuff on and off. Plymouth was planned a few months ago. Then it vanished, now it's being done. Not helpful.

On a wider matter, it's all very well doing Plymouth, Kingsbridge, Torbay etc. But this time, are VOD actually going to fill in the bits in the middle?

I won't believe it until it happens.
pad_ehh
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“The Hutchinson Flexicell Replica telegraph poles: https://www.flickr.com/photos/46141405@N07/21175390226 only support 2100MHz.”

Two of those (the ones on the left) have recently sprung up near my house. They don't seem to be turned on, or are not for O2 as I have noticed that the signal is not that great here and I require to use a Boostbox to get any decent signal in or around the house. If I go into the city centre though its full bars and 4G in some areas, 3G in the others. They have been working on the masts since May to bring 4G here, which is annoying when you notice on the coverage checker maps there are literally small villages that have 4G and a main city doesn't!
Stereo Steve
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“Two of those (the ones on the left) have recently sprung up near my house. They don't seem to be turned on, or are not for O2 as I have noticed that the signal is not that great here and I require to use a Boostbox to get any decent signal in or around the house. If I go into the city centre though its full bars and 4G in some areas, 3G in the others. They have been working on the masts since May to bring 4G here, which is annoying when you notice on the coverage checker maps there are literally small villages that have 4G and a main city doesn't!”

It's also annoying if you live in a small village and the big cities get 3G while you still haven't got it many years later.

I think with Vodafone, their main issue maybe backhaul. Went to Paignton today and put the VOD sim in slot 1 of my phone so I could use 3G. Full signal. No data. Managed to check emails once. I was trying to use the app to top up as I can't online, keeps failing. The app needs to connect the first time over mobile data. Connected OK, went to top up, kept timing out. Drove through Totnes where I had a full Edge signal. Timed out. Nothing.

It strikes me that they are upgrading to 4G first in all the places where they happen to have decent backhaul. I think this is why you see odd splodges of 4G here and there with them.
M1kos
15-09-2015
Voda have rolled out 2600 in Dartford Kent. I have mixed thoughts thou as now I'm stuck on the one site (which is heavily congested) with often only one bar of signal instead of one of the three 800 sites in my opinion it's a backwards step at least in my cat4 z2 I wonder if a cat6 device would handle the bands more effectively
moox
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“I think with Vodafone, their main issue maybe backhaul. Went to Paignton today and put the VOD sim in slot 1 of my phone so I could use 3G. Full signal. No data. Managed to check emails once. I was trying to use the app to top up as I can't online, keeps failing. The app needs to connect the first time over mobile data. Connected OK, went to top up, kept timing out.”

Where I live is exactly like this. I strongly think it is one of the cell sites that was quickly installed to do 900MHz 3G so that they can claim they've fulfilled their coverage obligations and avoid Ofcom sanctioning them.

The equipment puts out a belting signal but the backhaul are either smoke signals or a 56k modem as it doesn't really work very well. Less than 1Mbit typically.

Even O2 have a 3G cell site around here that has EE-like levels of performance
japaul
15-09-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“Voda have rolled out 2600 in Dartford Kent. I have mixed thoughts thou as now I'm stuck on the one site (which is heavily congested) with often only one bar of signal instead of one of the three 800 sites in my opinion it's a backwards step at least in my cat4 z2 I wonder if a cat6 device would handle the bands more effectively”

That can be a problem until 2600 is denser.

I've seen 4G+ near Dartford so a CA phone might improve your speeds a bit. Vodafone also change the primary carrier depending on the situation so aggregated 2600 coverage can be better than 2600 on its own.
lightspeed2398
15-09-2015
Vodafone seem to be getting a move on with 2600. They do need to though if o2 and Three are doing their stuff (1800 on o2 and 15MHz for Three).
M1kos
16-09-2015
It's not the speed I'm concerned about really the lack of signal strength on my phone doesn't look good from a coverage point of view Ithink the 2600 threshold needs highering to about -100dBm
Denco1
16-09-2015
Light reading report Vodafone are to make a statement about VoLTE soon.

Also Vodafone Call+ was released in Google Play today, I really like RCS and wish other networks would implement it. Seems a bit strange though, won't Vodafone miss out on a revenue stream as things which normally cost money no longer do, like chatting and video calling?
mrgs12
16-09-2015
We may finally get 3G/4G coverage if this ever gets built, won't hold my breath. What I don't understand is why T mobile is mentioned? http://www.stroud.gov.uk/PLO/Default...ectioncontent7
moox
16-09-2015
Originally Posted by mrgs12:
“We may finally get 3G/4G coverage if this ever gets built, won't hold my breath. What I don't understand is why T mobile is mentioned? http://www.stroud.gov.uk/PLO/Default...ectioncontent7”

Probably because no one has bothered to change from Orange/T-Mobile/Hutchison 3G to MBNL on the official documentation. I'm sure you could find a "Cellnet" mast if you tried, even though they haven't used that name for like 20 years

Apart from that, it may be that Vodafone/O2 are site sharing on a T-Mobile (MBNL) owned site (or vice versa - i.e. MBNL applying for something on a Vodafone owned site, I don't know how it works in detail)
lightspeed2398
16-09-2015
Like this moox ? http://planning.cornwall.gov.uk/onli...=NN9KHEFGHI300
mrgs12
16-09-2015
The T mobile site as it was then is a separate enclosure at least 50 meters from the Vodafone enclosure they are separate masts, the existing Vodafone mast is 2G, the site is owned by the golf club.
M1kos
17-09-2015
The council couldn't even spell lol I mean vodaphone been approved a while now so I'm sure it's on the list I've seen power cabs go in but no equipment ones I wonder if there is a delay
japaul
19-09-2015
An O2 user showed me a screenshot of his phone because it had recently started showing 4G+ in Central London and he wanted to know what it meant.

O2 did mention a few weeks ago they were going to start refarming their 1800 spectrum for 4G and I guess it's LTE-A with 800 and 1800 aggregated. So a round of applause for O2 is in order I think.
jaffboy151
19-09-2015
Well done O2, making the most of what little they have I guess.
jchamier
19-09-2015
Originally Posted by jaffboy151:
“Well done O2, making the most of what little they have I guess.”

Amazing - maybe they're feeling the capacity crunch - or realised the merger with Hutchison may be a while off given the legal processes.
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