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Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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moox
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“To be fair, EE stores are mostly franchises so I doubt they would ever get info from the network directly.

I believe the other networks own all their stores.”

I'm not sure if that's true (it's the first I've heard of it), but assuming that it is:

That isn't an excuse though. It says EE all over the place, with no mention that someone else owns it. Even the McDonalds' around here have the franchise name printed on the receipt and somewhere inside. Franchised McDonalds also tend to be very similar to corporate owned ones in terms of products offered and quality.

It is for all intents and purposes, EE - and if they don't want to give the franchisees and employees the right tools, then that will reflect badly on EE.
jonmorris
16-10-2015
Isn't it time EE and Vodafone start to show the type of 4G offered to the public (and therefore also shop staff)?

EE shows double speed, which is a start, but I'd quite like to see more.

When EE switches on 800 I guess it will want to show that - and hopefully a bit better than the way Three does.
uno
16-10-2015
Oops link doesn't seem to work

This is a Alifabs cabinet for a Vodafone & O2 4G installation
lightspeed2398
16-10-2015
It seems weird not to give your employees access to network data, it's not as though it's really classified. I did post this a while back but you can actually see Vodafone's map server and look at the maps that way which means you don't get the zoom limit on 3g/4g. https://mapserver.vodafone.co.uk/arcgis/rest/services
moox
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
“It seems weird not to give your employees access to network data, it's not as though it's really classified. I did post this a while back but you can actually see Vodafone's map server and look at the maps that way which means you don't get the zoom limit on 3g/4g. https://mapserver.vodafone.co.uk/arcgis/rest/services”

That's very interesting.

What's NTNC? The only difference I can see is that the NTNC map seems to cut Cornwall off

The planned impact map seems to have all of Cornwall covered in various colours, I assume each colour is a different cell site?. Hopefully it's a sign of 4G
M1kos
16-10-2015
How do I make this work please help as looks interesting
moox
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“How do I make this work please help as looks interesting”

Click on a map and then click how you want to view it. I used Google Earth but I don't know if that's the best way
d123
16-10-2015
I see Vodafone are still up to their "excellent" customer service, someone on MacRumors bought a 6s and phoned them to enable WifiCalling. They told him to buy another phone from them and then they would activate the feature...

Quote:
“So I always buy my iPhones from the Apple store. My new 6S works fine - but unfortunately the signal in my area is patchy and sometime I cant get signal (thanks Vodafone!) - so wi-fi calling would be a really useful feature.

I called Vodafone to ask them to activate the wi-fi calling feature on my account (the phone wont enable it via the setting menu - asks you to call your carrier) - and after the usual pass around and long hold with Vodafone - I eventually got hold of someone - who basically told me that despite me having a £40 per month "Red" bundle - they wouldn't activate the wi-fi calling feature as I didn't buy the phone from Vodafone!!! ...and my only option would be to take out a new 24 month contract with phone from them! Errr....no thanks!! I did point out to them that the reason I wanted wi-fi calling was that their signal was poor....but as you'd expect that was met with the usual Vodafone indifference!

So anyone thinking of buying a phone at the Apple store - consider using EE as your carrier as I think they give w-fi calling to all their bundled customers.”

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/...-them.1929251/
M1kos
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by moox:
“Click on a map and then click how you want to view it. I used Google Earth but I don't know if that's the best way”

Thanks ill try on the desktop as phone isn't having none of it
lightspeed2398
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by M1kos:
“How do I make this work please help as looks interesting”

Click on one of the maps then I use the ArcGIS.com Map option. You can change the transparency of the coverage layer to see place names on the left.

I have no idea what NTNC is but it looks different but I'm not sure how.
jchamier
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by d123:
“I see Vodafone are still up to their "excellent" customer service, someone on MacRumors bought a 6s and phoned them to enable WifiCalling. They told him to buy another phone from them and then they would activate the feature...”

That agent didn't understand that all iPhones are the same software, whatever the network.

Strange Vodafone have WiFi Calling but its only available to some users. Maybe they have a massive lack of internet capacity at their data centre ???
WellHiddenMark
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by d123:
“I see Vodafone are still up to their "excellent" customer service, someone on MacRumors bought a 6s and phoned them to enable WifiCalling. They told him to buy another phone from them and then they would activate the feature...


http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/...-them.1929251/”

Why do you need a 6S? Surely the iPhone 6 supports WiFi calls?
enapace
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by WellHiddenMark:
“Why do you need a 6S? Surely the iPhone 6 supports WiFi calls?”

The 5C up support wifi calling lol. The iPhone 6 onwards supports VoWiFI/VoLTE Handover.

Can't believe Vodafone are only enabling it on there 24 month contracts.
jonmorris
16-10-2015
I've been considering the SIM only 20GB tariff, but if it doesn't work with Wi-Fi calling and has the same issues as Three with VoLTE, then that's not good.

What's more, the free Spotify is only for the standard version and as I have the Family subscription, I'd have to drop down as the offer is for one year of premium and there's (apparently) no way to upgrade and pay the difference.
moox
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by enapace:
“The 5C up support wifi calling lol. The iPhone 6 onwards supports VoWiFI/VoLTE Handover.

Can't believe Vodafone are only enabling it on there 24 month contracts.”

I'd guess VF are making more money from handset customers and they want to keep that as a selling point.

I really hope it's because it's new and they feel that restricting access to handsets they've supplied will limit the load on the infrastructure for the time being, with an eventual full launch later on. They can't claim that the Vodafone 6S has been specially tested, of course, like they could conceivably do with an Android device
DevonBloke
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by moox:
“That's very interesting.

What's NTNC? The only difference I can see is that the NTNC map seems to cut Cornwall off

The planned impact map seems to have all of Cornwall covered in various colours, I assume each colour is a different cell site?. Hopefully it's a sign of 4G”

Well looking at the 3G live map on Google earth you can see the red is 2G underneath the purple 3G. Just like on the standard coverage checker they are including the 2G to make the 3G look better.
Gigabit
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
“It seems weird not to give your employees access to network data, it's not as though it's really classified. I did post this a while back but you can actually see Vodafone's map server and look at the maps that way which means you don't get the zoom limit on 3g/4g. https://mapserver.vodafone.co.uk/arcgis/rest/services”

Vodafone stores used to have equal parity with customer service but that isn't the case these days. The reason they don't get the network info is because Vodafone want to make it very clear that their stores are for sales only, not support.
M1kos
16-10-2015
Voda soon 4G in Cornwall... Falmouth Penzance Padstow possibly Camborne too and quite a few Mip masts coming on line too
jaffboy151
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by paulker:
“This is the nearest I could find on the net. From what I saw its like the parts the cabs in the picture with the vents but two separate cabs. Hope I am making sense.

At an educated guess I would say its for upgraded backhaul.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/110zanhgh0...03623.jpg?dl=0”

There are a few masts around Telford with cabinets like this and a few proposed to be installed on mast upgrade plans, think there for containing 3g equipment for both Vodafone & O2, unlike the ones I showed earlier which are for 4g, some sites had these enormous cabinets fitted a few years ago when Vodafone & O2 1st started sharing and on some plans they are so big they plan to install the 4g equipment inside them too.

Originally Posted by Pedro_C:
“https://goo.gl/maps/9ysiqdPGvRP2 - Mast before the cabinets went in. If you browse through time on streetview, you can see it gaining the 900MHz cabinet in 2010. There are now a load more cabinets there and that was the site I did the dual 4G tests on.”

I don't use Google Street view too often. How do you look back in time at a specific location?
Pedro_C
16-10-2015
On the top left, there is a clock looking button. Click on that and it provides a timeline.
jaffboy151
16-10-2015
Vodafone map update landed in the end albeit a day late.
Big upgrades planned In for Telford and Shrewsbury as well as a fair bit of infilling around Stoke and Cheshire. Spotted a few more masts planned in the south East, mainly all 3g areas by the looks of things, never really looked at coverage in that part of the world, it really is 2g world! Cornerstone have a long road ahead before they can be taken seriously down there..
Vodafone also seem to be starting to suffer from EE's problem where they over inflate there predicted coverage, there are a few recent additions which don't have anything like the coverage shown on the maps which is a shame as they've alway been very accurate until now.
steffangl
16-10-2015
Vodafone do support Wifi calling on SIM only. As long as it's a RED plan.

At present it's only for iPhone 6S and 6S Plus. I'm sure the older models will be enabled shortly, though. Maybe with iOS 9.1?
moox
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“Well looking at the 3G live map on Google earth you can see the red is 2G underneath the purple 3G. Just like on the standard coverage checker they are including the 2G to make the 3G look better.”

The planned impact map seems to be different, it's literally multicoloured and seems to correspond to a different colour for each cell site. It also appears to cover south Devon + Plymouth and Exeter too

That M1kos suggests 4G is coming to a lot of places in Cornwall soon would correlate with that
d123
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by steffangl:
“Vodafone do support Wifi calling on SIM only. As long as it's a RED plan.

At present it's only for iPhone 6S and 6S Plus. I'm sure the older models will be enabled shortly, though. Maybe with iOS 9.1?”

The poster I quoted was on a Red £40 plan and was refused the feature when he called to activate it.

Quote:
“I called Vodafone to ask them to activate the wi-fi calling feature on my account (the phone wont enable it via the setting menu - asks you to call your carrier) - and after the usual pass around and long hold with Vodafone - I eventually got hold of someone - who basically told me that despite me having a £40 per month "Red" bundle - they wouldn't activate the wi-fi calling feature as I didn't buy the phone from Vodafone!!”

WellHiddenMark
16-10-2015
Originally Posted by steffangl:
“Vodafone do support Wifi calling on SIM only. As long as it's a RED plan.

At present it's only for iPhone 6S and 6S Plus. I'm sure the older models will be enabled shortly, though. Maybe with iOS 9.1?”

I have an iPhone 6 with a Vodafone RED 4G SIM only plan (Unlimited calls / Unlimited texts and 4GB data). There's probably a Spotify / Netflix / somesuchshit that I already pay for directly in there too.

I have only ever bought my iPhones from the Apple Store and then changed the SIM where necessary, despite endless spam from Vodafone pestering me to upgrade to the latest iPhone.

I've never looked for the WiFi Calling "Switch" in the iPhone settings until I saw this thread but it isn't there, so I assume the mysterious "Carrier settings" (currently vodafone UK 21.1) will enable this switch when they are ready.

I don't really have any problems with coverage where I use my phone now, unlike a few years ago when I had a couple of SureSignals (they were a complete pain in the arse so I'm not chomping at the bit for WiFi calling).
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