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Vodafone and O2 4G experience thread
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DevonBloke
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“I always found EE's coverage checker particularly inaccurate.”

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt there and say you're drunk.
I mean no sane person would make that comment after looking at the 4/5 maps in my last post (the ones by lightspeed and my three).

So Vodafone shows completely white and virtually no 3G/4G at all and EE shows full 3G and 4G/4G+ and your comment is...
"EE's coverage is a bit inaccurate"???

You have to be one of two things. A bit daft or nearly as drunk as me.
I'm going with drunk. God, I hope so.

Vodafone 3G/4G
http://s9.postimg.org/4bwyd6bzj/screenshot_14.png

EE 4G/4G+

http://s9.postimg.org/w0jlkoyzz/screenshot_15.png

Let's repeat in case some people didn't get it the first time as they may be drunk..

Vodafone 3G/4G
http://s9.postimg.org/4bwyd6bzj/screenshot_14.png

EE 4G/4G+
http://s9.postimg.org/w0jlkoyzz/screenshot_15.png

Can you spot the difference......
Vast areas of rural UK are like this.
Have we in some way offended them??
jchamier
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“I don't think he quite understands how the Vodafone Group is set out or works...”

There are idiots on every forum. Internet forums mean anyone can post, without any credentials. The IT industry is poor on credentials anyway, and forums make it worse. Forums with no moderation (as the Vodafone forum seems to be) end up 'owned' by self styled 'gurus' who have no real data.

I bet there's at least one academic PhD thesis on the topic
d123
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by jchamier:
“There are idiots on every forum. Internet forums mean anyone can post, without any credentials. The IT industry is poor on credentials anyway, and forums make it worse. Forums with no moderation (as the Vodafone forum seems to be) end up 'owned' by self styled 'gurus' who have no real data.

I bet there's at least one academic PhD thesis on the topic ”

True, but the idiot in question isn't self styled, he has been awarded "Community Champion" status by Vodafone and has it splashed large over every post he makes in words and badges, to the average punter looking for advice he is the face of Vodafone on their forum (especially as there isn't actually a real staff presence).
DevonBloke
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by japaul:
“But you don't exist. I mean who in the hell goes there? Look at it from my point of view. I've travelled to most areas of the country reasonably recently but the last time I went to Devon, Orange hadn't even launched. I drove all the way down to near Torquay to be with some girl and I spent the night having to sleep on the floor. So you tell me, what's the point in that? Hahaha ”

Hahahahaha. Nice!
I did that once. Well I mean I only had to drive about 12 miles but it all ended badly and her house was like falling down or something and the stairs had no banister, I dunno, I was drunk (again) and i thought she was too young so made my excuses, collapsed in some spare bedroom and left really early in the morning.
Think I was on Talkland Cellnet at the time with a 1G Nokia 101 (about 1994/5) https://nokiafanglobe.wordpress.com/...ia-collection/
(not the GSM 101 all you youngsters).
It worked in Torquay. not here.
Thine Wonk
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt there and say you're drunk.
I mean no sane person would make that comment after looking at the 4/5 maps in my last post (the ones by lightspeed and my three).

So Vodafone shows completely white and virtually no 3G/4G at all and EE shows full 3G and 4G/4G+ and your comment is...
"EE's coverage is a bit inaccurate"???

You have to be one of two things. A bit daft or nearly as drunk as me.
I'm going with drunk. God, I hope so.

Vodafone 3G/4G
http://s9.postimg.org/4bwyd6bzj/screenshot_14.png

EE 4G/4G+

http://s9.postimg.org/w0jlkoyzz/screenshot_15.png

Let's repeat in case some people didn't get it the first time as they may be drunk..

Vodafone 3G/4G
http://s9.postimg.org/4bwyd6bzj/screenshot_14.png

EE 4G/4G+
http://s9.postimg.org/w0jlkoyzz/screenshot_15.png

Can you spot the difference......
Vast areas of rural UK are like this.
Have we in some way offended them??”

Devon the only thing I'd say in response, in their defence is that each network has their own strategy for success as a business. If Voda can get away with it and are still making the revenue they want then good luck to them. That's why we have consumer choice and why you've chosen EE, who are making it their USP to have fast widely available 4G and pinning all their hopes on being the big award winning coverage and speed network.

Three seem to be not going for speed, but cost and a good all round data network with generous allowances, O2 and Vodafone will catch up their lack of 3G investment when Cornerstone / 4G comes to many areas over the next couple of years I'm sure.

I don't like the fact that they are being misleading with the coverage map though, that is very naughty indeed and they should put their hands up and correct that.
Gigabit
02-01-2016
All the coverage checkers are wildly inaccurate. That is my experience. EE is particularly bad in my location as is 3.

O2 is the most accurate, Vodafone second.

I'm sure that's not true everywhere, it's just what I have experienced.
jchamier
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“All the coverage checkers are wildly inaccurate. That is my experience. EE is particularly bad in my location as is 3. O2 is the most accurate, Vodafone second. I'm sure that's not true everywhere, it's just what I have experienced.”

My friends house in Fleet had perfect signal on all 4 networks say the maps for the last 3 years. The maps are mostly garbage. However DevonBloke and others live in that areas and tell us there is no signal where the map says no signal.
Gigabit
02-01-2016
I was just talking about the coverage checkers in general.

It's good to see EE have excellent coverage in areas such as Devon's. The investment they are making is clearly working.

I'd just like to see some of that investment around here to make the network more robust
GreenLantern
03-01-2016
Those Community Champions really wind me up over at Vodafone.

So arrogant.

Oh well.
camer_000
03-01-2016
I'm reading the posts now and they seem to be full of shit. What a shame.
DevonBloke
03-01-2016
I'm not even going to read what I put. i was trying to finish the JD before starting Dry January!!!
jonmorris
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by GreenLantern:
“Those Community Champions really wind me up over at Vodafone.

So arrogant.

Oh well.”

Given so many businesses now employ communities managers specifically to work on social media and forums, the title could easily imply he is Vodafone staff.
jaffboy151
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“All the coverage checkers are wildly inaccurate. That is my experience. EE is particularly bad in my location as is 3.

O2 is the most accurate, Vodafone second.

I'm sure that's not true everywhere, it's just what I have experienced.”

Not sure which part of the country your in Gigabit, but that mirrors how the 4 coverage checkers are here around Shropshire, Staffordshire and south Cheshire, EE and 3 are borderline fantasy with blue almost everywhere for 4g & 3g which isn't accurate, I find th3 yellow double speed areas give a rough but more accurate footprint for the general 4g user. O2 is good, even a little conservative in these parts, Shame I hate the comic book graphics, mast location is a nice feature.

Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“I was just talking about the coverage checkers in general.

It's good to see EE have excellent coverage in areas such as Devon's. The investment they are making is clearly working.

I'd just like to see some of that investment around here to make the network more robust ”

Again, second this, the south west has shouted loudly for a number of years now about poor digital infrastructure and it seems to be paying off with some companies making more of an effort, still many many 2g only masts serving a lot of people on EE in my part of the world though, less said about vod/O2 once you head West towards Wales from here the better..
beans0ntoast
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by DevonBloke:
“I'm not even going to read what I put. i was trying to finish the JD before starting Dry January!!!
”

Based on what I have read on here, I'm not even going to bother signing up to that Vodafone forum - as you'd get better answers on here!
camer_000
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by beans0ntoast:
“Based on what I have read on here, I'm not even going to bother signing up to that Vodafone forum - as you'd get better answers on here! ”

We'd be the one's giving the answers more likely than not from the quick look i've had on the forum.
jaffboy151
04-01-2016
There was some talk a few says back about O2 using the 5.8mhz of 1800 for 4g and what Vodafone might do with there 5.8mhz of 1800, hadn't noticed if Vodafone used this band much or weather it was another one they'd bought and locked away in the volts like an annoyingly rich art dealer, so I thought I'd check it out on the LG G4, I was surprised to see - 85db of 2g signal coming from 6 miles away!
Found some plans for a replacement duel antenna replica telegraph pole design mast locally, replacing the 2100mhz vod/O2 telegraph pole presently on site. Not seen plans for one of these submitted before, cornerstone have always put in to replace any existing camouflaged masts with the standard Jupiter Street poles and if rejected, nothing. This one seems capable of 2100 3g, 900 2g/3g & 800 4g for both operators and 2600 4g for vod at a later date.
Skippy2005
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by jaffboy151:
“There was some talk a few says back about O2 using the 5.8mhz of 1800 for 4g and what Vodafone might do with there 5.8mhz of 1800, hadn't noticed if Vodafone used this band much or weather it was another one they'd bought and locked away in the volts like an annoyingly rich art dealer, so I thought I'd check it out on the LG G4, I was surprised to see - 85db of 2g signal coming from 6 miles away!
Found some plans for a replacement duel antenna replica telegraph pole design mast locally, replacing the 2100mhz vod/O2 telegraph pole presently on site. Not seen plans for one of these submitted before, cornerstone have always put in to replace any existing camouflaged masts with the standard Jupiter Street poles and if rejected, nothing. This one seems capable of 2100 3g, 900 2g/3g & 800 4g for both operators and 2600 4g for vod at a later date.”

My partner has the G4 on Vodafone and on our upgraded sites 1800mhz is on 2G, so who know all cornerstone site around me have been upgraded.
CheshireBumpkin
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by jaffboy151:
“Not sure which part of the country your in Gigabit, but that mirrors how the 4 coverage checkers are here around Shropshire, Staffordshire and south Cheshire, EE and 3 are borderline fantasy with blue almost everywhere for 4g & 3g which isn't accurate, I find th3 yellow double speed areas give a rough but more accurate footprint for the general 4g user. O2 is good, even a little conservative in these parts, Shame I hate the comic book graphics, mast location is a nice feature.


Again, second this, the south west has shouted loudly for a number of years now about poor digital infrastructure and it seems to be paying off with some companies making more of an effort, still many many 2g only masts serving a lot of people on EE in my part of the world though, less said about vod/O2 once you head West towards Wales from here the better..”

The EE coverage checker is very odd - it seems to be quite accurate for some 4G masts, but wildly out on some. For example, a recently upgraded mast in Malpas gives broadly the coverage that the map claims, but over-eggs it at the fringes. The recently upgraded mast in Whitchurch is shown less accurately on the map but isn't a million miles off. The mast in Ellesmere provides coverage barely beyond the tiny confines of the town, yet the surrounding area is bathed in fantasy coverage on the map.

I guess it's a quirk of computer modelling versus local geography, but it's rare to find that they under-estimate rather than plunge into the realms of fiction....

I also have a personal bug-bear with masts that are congested beyond use, yet the maps proudly boast excellent connectivity and fast 3G internet access indoors and out.
mupet0000
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“The EE coverage checker is very odd - it seems to be quite accurate for some 4G masts, but wildly out on some. For example, a recently upgraded mast in Malpas gives broadly the coverage that the map claims, but over-eggs it at the fringes. The recently upgraded mast in Whitchurch is shown less accurately on the map but isn't a million miles off. The mast in Ellesmere provides coverage barely beyond the tiny confines of the town, yet the surrounding area is bathed in fantasy coverage on the map.

I guess it's a quirk of computer modelling versus local geography, but it's rare to find that they under-estimate rather than plunge into the realms of fiction....

I also have a personal bug-bear with masts that are congested beyond use, yet the maps proudly boast excellent connectivity and fast 3G internet access indoors and out. ”

2 of my local EE sites have been upgraded with 4G+ 2600MHz. Funnily enough, the 4G+ coverage shown is almost exactly perfectly accurate when compared with the real world 1800MHz coverage but it's way over estimating the 2600MHz coverage. Check MK40 1TG and look at the 4G+ coverage.
GreenLantern
04-01-2016
So long story short

https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Appl...s/td-p/2437102

There's no official answer ? And WiFi Calling probably isn't ever going to have SMS with Vodafone UK.

Is the GAN implemented at the MSC/HLR level ?
camer_000
04-01-2016
I have news; as of today I am now a Vodafone customer from 3. It's actually been quite good around the area I live and also has better signal in my college (the main reason why i switched) and at home and also have a considerable number of speedtest results on Voda from my own testing. If you want to see them i can upload them later on.
Gigabit
04-01-2016
That Community Champion is wavejock.
DevonBloke
04-01-2016
I mean he says he travels everywhere including the South West!!!!!
WTF??
Does he only travel to the South West bits that have 3G/4G because there really aren't that many. I mean you can't even get down here without only being on 2G a lot!
Of course if he's a Luddite who only needs voice then we are in a whole different ballpark!!!
Yep, Wavejock!
lightspeed2398
04-01-2016
It's as though he doesn't want to see anything other than his mindset. It's actually quite amusing then pitiful. I wonder how he'd react to some comparison maps between EE and Vodafone. Would he ignore, cave in and cry or deny them as wrong or something?
Gigabit
04-01-2016
I wonder if he actually is a Vodafone employee.
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