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Jim is disgraceful towards Luisa!!
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slappers r us
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Christian Cage:
“She was not vicious to Ollie she would never have said to his face If Ollie had not had a go at her in the bedroom.”

if not vicious it was two faced

something she accuses others of yet does herself
Cheri
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by GTR Davo:
“I just find it funny that it's ok for Jim to say whatever he wants but anyone else and these forums explode ”

Are you Stevie Wonder? or just watching a different channel?
colleen
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I think the difference between Luisa and Jim is that ironically Luisa is actually funny whereas Jim is just nasty.

When they did the first face to face nominations Luisa was hilarious as her swearing and diatribe was so clearly a laugh. Jim in usual defensive mode was incapable of taking it on the chin and matching her. He was hurt, no doubt by a woman having a laugh at his expense and he let loose his bile.

It happened again in the campaign speeches. Luisa's was amusing but his was just nasty. I really don't know if he thinks he's being funny but it doesn't come across as remotely so, it just looks like he is consumed with hatred.”

If Jim had attempted humour in the "save me task" Linda and Luisa would of accused him trying to be nice and berated him for it. As for letting loose his bile, it was no different when she let rip at him in face to face noms. Such double standards.
basia
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by dome:
“I don't think he did at all. If people actually listen to it, he's telling Luisa that he thinks there is a very special lovely girl under all the bravo and she should focus on that.”

If that was Jim's intention... it's not how he came across. I did listen to what he said in his speech - at best it was patronising, at worst... cruel and too personal.
dtorre
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by GTR Davo:
“not at all, the idea of this thread was to come across sexist and see the reactions considering everyone on this forum seems to think its ok that Jim and Dappy are sexist, considering the flack I have received I think my point have been made ”

Well the funny thing is, all you have succeeded in doing with this thread is turning more negativity towards Luisa Well done, the Luisa haters couldn't have done much better in making her and her supporters look bad
Christian Cage
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by basia:
“If that was Jim's intention... it's not how he came across. I did listen to what he said in his speech - at best it was patronising, at worst... cruel and too personal.”

Jim was basically telling her that she acts like a bitch but on the inside she is like a scared little girl. It was very patronising.
Janette800
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by GTR Davo:
“Finally agree with Linda there!! he's been horrible to her and always talks crap about her! she's a great housemate and she's a woman! where is the respect Jim?? talking vile about a 26 year old woman

Misunderstood Lulu!! 4 out of the 5 evicted all hold her in high regard and as Linda said Jim is nominated every week for a reason.”

And it's ok for a 26 year old to talk to an 80 plus year old man the way she did with Lionel....REALLY !!!!!!!!!!!
trevor tiger
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by colleen:
“If Jim had attempted humour in the "save me task" Linda and Luisa would of accused him trying to be nice and berated him for it. As for letting loose his bile, it was no different when she let rip at him in face to face noms. Such double standards.”

It's not about double standards as they would have to be doing the same thing and them being judged differently for it.

Luisa was clearly being funny in the face to face nominations as she was when campaigning. I'm not saying she didn't very much dislike him but the nominations like the campaigning was done with a big smile on her face and in a funny manner. Like I said I don't know if Jim thinks he's being funny but it doesn't come across as funny just nasty. You obviously agree he wasn't funny either.

Personally I think he gets so worked up and is so bitter and unpleasant because he cannot abide being laughed at and particularly by a woman.
S_C2
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“It's not about double standards as they would have to be doing the same thing and them being judged differently for it.

Luisa was clearly being funny in the face to face nominations as she was when campaigning. I'm not saying she didn't very much dislike him but the nominations like the campaigning was done with a big smile on her face and in a funny manner. Like I said I don't know if Jim thinks he's being funny but it doesn't come across as funny just nasty. You obviously agree he wasn't funny either.

Personally I think he gets so worked up and is so bitter and unpleasant because he cannot abide being laughed at and particularly by a woman.”

Was she clearly being funny? That woman on bbots said it the other night. Says the most vicious things with a giggle at the end ot in her ickle girly baby voice but actually, she means every word.
johnan
25-01-2014
Louisa is a sad, sad feminist who has a chip on her shoulder about men and it will gradually consume her.Already at her young age she is a twisted nasty person with a foul mouth who is always on the defensive and is a complete turn off.
I wonder what happened to her to make her so unpleasant and cynical when people try to be nice to her.
hunkydory
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by GTR Davo:
“Finally agree with Linda there!! he's been horrible to her and always talks crap about her! she's a great housemate and she's a woman! where is the respect Jim?? talking vile about a 26 year old woman

Misunderstood Lulu!! 4 out of the 5 evicted all hold her in high regard and as Linda said Jim is nominated every week for a reason.”

im a great believer in if you dish it out expect to get it back male or female
dome
25-01-2014
Watching last night , Luisa and Jim hand a lovely conversation airing their differences, with laughter no voices raised. By the end Luisa likened Jim to her mother.

So there you are, the naughty child in Luisa plays up to wind up Mum. I suspect her parents are split and she plays them against each other.
hunkydory
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“It's not about double standards as they would have to be doing the same thing and them being judged differently for it.

Luisa was clearly being funny in the face to face nominations as she was when campaigning. I'm not saying she didn't very much dislike him but the nominations like the campaigning was done with a big smile on her face and in a funny manner. Like I said I don't know if Jim thinks he's being funny but it doesn't come across as funny just nasty. You obviously agree he wasn't funny either.

Personally I think he gets so worked up and is so bitter and unpleasant because he cannot abide being laughed at and particularly by a woman.”

a cat always licks before it nips she meant every word and has said it to the other hms before. changed her mind about jim since linda left giving him cuddles talking to him playing pranks with him and told him linda influenced her and can't be doing with it any more that was a quick turn around
dtorre
25-01-2014
Luisa being sexist again tonight, saying she doesn't think men should talk negatively to women. So much for equality, wow what a hypocrite, after all that time she has spent calling others sexist
gilliedew
25-01-2014
What a two faced bitch, she dishes it out, yet cannot take it, well done Jim for letting her know her ill thought out barbs are just as hurtful and his were in return.

Don't dish them out and don't moan when they are returned
gilliedew
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by dome:
“Watching last night , Luisa and Jim hand a lovely conversation airing their differences, with laughter no voices raised. By the end Luisa likened Jim to her mother.

So there you are, the naughty child in Luisa plays up to wind up Mum. I suspect her parents are split and she plays them against each other.”

Her mother is lovely albeit a total walkover for Louisa. I can't get over she is opinionated and strong minded aka gobby and self satisfying because how would any mother describe having such a slut for a daughter
Helenbemerry
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by gilliedew:
“Her mother is lovely albeit a total walkover for Louisa. I can't get over she is opinionated and strong minded aka gobby and self satisfying because how would any mother describe having such a slut for a daughter”

I would imagine that Luisa has been completed indulged by her parents all her life and is used to getting her own way. My mother would be disowning me if I was on TV telling everybody about sleeping with 5 men in one night, sex parties, deep throating a banana, etc. not saying how proud she was of me. She doesn't appear to have any respect for herself let alone anyone else - no matter how angry I was with someone, I can't imagine me speaking to Lionel the way she did. It was fair enough to speak up for herself but not to swear at him. If that had been my dad, she would certainly be getting it from me with all guns loaded.

Because of the way she's been brought up, she can't understand why everybody doesn't treat her like the special princess she has been led to believe she is. In fairness, you can't blame her for that but I don't think her parents have done her any favours.
trevor tiger
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by S_C2:
“Was she clearly being funny? That woman on bbots said it the other night. Says the most vicious things with a giggle at the end ot in her ickle girly baby voice but actually, she means every word.”

Originally Posted by hunkydory:
“a cat always licks before it nips she meant every word and has said it to the other hms before. changed her mind about jim since linda left giving him cuddles talking to him playing pranks with him and told him linda influenced her and can't be doing with it any more that was a quick turn around”

If you weren't able to see her nomination and campaign speech for what it was, a laugh did you not believe her explanation either It sounded plausible to me. She said that she nominated Jim and BB asked for more and so she said what she did. She said that it was sarcastic and that she thought he could take it particularly being a comedian. Jim didn't dispute this, he just said it hurt him. She looked genuinely taken aback with this and apologised.

Jim and Luisa have clearly made some headway anyway and I'm pleased as they both deserve to be in the final because of their contribution to the show.
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