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I actually had my hands up in front of my face as if to back away in that interview..
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Talullahmay
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by mithrilmoon:
“WELL SAID! Thank you.

People here do NOT know the real Jim Davidson. Linda does. He is a nasty conniving s**t. He made sure she'd react to him over and over again, knowing that the way he'd stage-managed it all would make her look bad and gain HIM public sympathy and support. This is what he has always done! For forty freakin' years.

Like the guy if he floats your boat, sure, but don't be fooled by the editing, nor by Jim's sly machinations. His past is 100% relevant because being vicious to Linda was an ongoing part of that. He was vicious to most people in private, and played the cheeky chappie in public. The main part of his comedy routine used to be impersonating a West Indian guy he called 'Chalkie'. He laid the accent on with a trowel and said the kind of racist things - very heavy - that might well get him arrested now. His entire act was about colour, religion, thick Irish, etc - offensive stereotypes. The reason he was asked to do the show was precisely because he has a 'colourful' past! Endemol gambled on him causing endless upsets, insulting the women, pandering to 'the lads', never ever washing up nor helping any other housemate in any way, to being bossy and vindictive, and to becoming very angry whenever he was contradicted. Great TV I agree. But not so great for those, women in particular, trapped 24/7 in that house with him.

He never appears on TV now as a comedian, nor indeed as anything else. He is considered too toxic. He jumped at the chance to do CBB. In fact he agreed last year but the three sexual assault accusations - made by women who live in different parts of the UK, and who have never met - put a stop to that. He's in the CBB house in the hope of bigging up his profile and getting some work - he'll sell countless lurid tales to the newspapers. Just wait and see. He did that before and he'll do it again.

And thanks to his dishonesty and cruelty he will probably win. I truly hope not.

BTW I could better understand you all laying into Lee. He's a real piece of work! Not in the misogynistic 'Jim' manner, but in that 'a port in every girl' way.”

You sound like you know either Linda Nolan or Jim Davidson well & its clear you're very Angry..Its only a game show & I doubt anyone will even care this time next week!
Sun Tzu.
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by netcurtains:
“Well it's a shame she let her dislike of someone completely take over her, she ruined her own time in the house, she really cannot blame Jim for that. she could have gone in there and had some fun and maybe got herself some work opportunities, she could have been the next Fern Briton or whatever. She won't get the chance to have such an experience again. Did she not watch Colleen make a tit of herself over the whole Julie Goodyear saga? What on earth made her think it would be a good idea to go in there and do the same thing?

Sadly, she not only ruined her own time in the house but she put a dampener on many of the others time too. It's not easy sharing a small living space with someone so obsessed and consumed with their dislike for someone that they too have to share living space with. There must have been an absolutely dreadful atmosphere most of the time. Poor Ollie was cacking himself when he dared to blame Linda for starting the arguments, poor Dappy was beside himself for face to face nominating her. I wish more of the HMs instead of Just Jim had stood up to her and maybe she would have reigned herself in a bit. Luisa is supposed to be forthright and honest and even she wouldn't say stuff directly to Linda that Linda really needed to hear for her own sake.

Whatever happens now out of the house I hope she doesn't receive too much abuse. Constructive criticism yes, she needs that whether she wants to hear it or not otherwise she'll never be a happy person but abuse no, there's no call for it.”

Its all she will be remembered for and she knows it and the small band of her supporters know it. She went in trying to get Jim out. Her number 1 priority and you are right, it did consume her.

I actually don't believe her when she says she enjoyed her time. She never looked like she did to me.
DiamondDoll
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“Its all she will be remembered for and she knows it and the small band of her supporters know it. She went in trying to get Jim out. Her number 1 priority and you are right, it did consume her.

I actually don't believe her when she says she enjoyed her time. She never looked like she did to me.”

I feel sorry for her.
Being so eaten up with venom must be horrible.
BlueStreak
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“I feel sorry for her.
Being so eaten up with venom must be horrible.”

It's eating her away. She should give it up.

DiamondDoll
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“It's eating her away. She should give it up.

”

Wonder if she was open enough to learn anything from the experience.
XXRunXX
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“If Jim was putting on an act wouldnt he choose a more agreeable persona? ”


too_much_coffee
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“I feel sorry for her.
Being so eaten up with venom must be horrible.”

I feel sorry for her too. Leaving aside the awful past few years she has had, she is a desperately unhappy person and I hope that somehow she can get help and find some happiness.
Reality Sucks
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by mithrilmoon:
“WELL SAID! Thank you.

People here do NOT know the real Jim Davidson. Linda does. He is a nasty conniving s**t. He made sure she'd react to him over and over again, knowing that the way he'd stage-managed it all would make her look bad and gain HIM public sympathy and support. This is what he has always done! For forty freakin' years.

Like the guy if he floats your boat, sure, but don't be fooled by the editing, nor by Jim's sly machinations. His past is 100% relevant because being vicious to Linda was an ongoing part of that. He was vicious to most people in private, and played the cheeky chappie in public. The main part of his comedy routine used to be impersonating a West Indian guy he called 'Chalkie'. He laid the accent on with a trowel and said the kind of racist things - very heavy - that might well get him arrested now. His entire act was about colour, religion, thick Irish, etc - offensive stereotypes. The reason he was asked to do the show was precisely because he has a 'colourful' past! Endemol gambled on him causing endless upsets, insulting the women, pandering to 'the lads', never ever washing up nor helping any other housemate in any way, to being bossy and vindictive, and to becoming very angry whenever he was contradicted. Great TV I agree. But not so great for those, women in particular, trapped 24/7 in that house with him.

He never appears on TV now as a comedian, nor indeed as anything else. He is considered too toxic. He jumped at the chance to do CBB. In fact he agreed last year but the three sexual assault accusations - made by women who live in different parts of the UK, and who have never met - put a stop to that. He's in the CBB house in the hope of bigging up his profile and getting some work - he'll sell countless lurid tales to the newspapers. Just wait and see. He did that before and he'll do it again.

And thanks to his dishonesty and cruelty he will probably win. I truly hope not.

BTW I could better understand you all laying into Lee. He's a real piece of work! Not in the misogynistic 'Jim' manner, but in that 'a port in every girl' way.”


To quote Lionel Blair - Is Jim the boss of Linda Nolan then? Is he so clever that she is being led around by the nose by him? I don't think so. She enjoys a row as much as anyone I've ever seen in the house.
BlueStreak
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Wonder if she was open enough to learn anything from the experience.”

Only time will tell. I feel at the moment she will be trying to defend her case, so she will still be blaming Jim.

Once everyone starts to get fed up of that, hopefully she'll take a good look in the mirror and acknowledge the woman looking back at her isn't exactly the nicest person in the world.

I'm just happy I can forgive others for their mistakes as I hope they can forgive me for mine and bear no grudges.

Shame to go through life being so hateful imo.

wonkeydonkey
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by netcurtains:
“ Did she not watch Colleen make a tit of herself over the whole Julie Goodyear saga? What on earth made her think it would be a good idea to go in there and do the same thing?”

Aren't people always moaning that Colleen Nolan is never off the tv? So she did well?

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“Sadly, she not only ruined her own time in the house but she put a dampener on many of the others time too. It's not easy sharing a small living space with someone so obsessed and consumed with their dislike for someone that they too have to share living space with. There must have been an absolutely dreadful atmosphere most of the time.”

Don't be so ridiculous. As if anyone has said anything remotely like this. Ollie said she was a bit protective over Sam. The only person who has said they did not enjoy the house was Liz, who singled out Linda as having been very kind to people. But go on, suprise me. Find me a housemate, now or in the future, who says there was a dreadful atmosphere in the house for most of the time, because of Linda. Or admit that you are fantasising. If you like, I'll save your post until a week after the end, to give you plenty of time to back your words up.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“If you think we shouldn't "speculate" about his intent, then you shouldn't do it either. Or is only positive "speculation" about Jim acceptable?”

Oh dear. But I think it is more likely that he just wants to have a pleasant time and emerge as a good guy in the public eye, than that he actively wants to be malicious to people.

I am not a fan of people saying they were 'always myself'. I think the 'self' that appears on BB will almost invariably be quite different from the 'self' at home. Specifically, I always think that almost every housemate would do a LOT more 'bitching' behind peoples' backs than they do in the house. It is just human nature to get together with your family and friends and vent about the peculiar people you work with.
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“I actually don't believe her when she says she enjoyed her time. She never looked like she did to me.”

Yet again, you are confusing the Jim-centric edit with what she actually did in the house. We must have seen her for 5 minutes a day. There really is no reason to suppose she is lying about having had a brilliant time, other than the knee jerk reflex to wish to say that everything Linda says is a lie.
Sun Tzu.
25-01-2014
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“Yet again, you are confusing the Jim-centric edit with what she actually did in the house. We must have seen her for 5 minutes a day. There really is no reason to suppose she is lying about having had a brilliant time, other than the knee jerk reflex to wish to say that everything Linda says is a lie.”

She made it uncomfortable and Jim tried to remain civil. She was having none of it. Like I say, out of the hours we seen of her, she didn't look like she did enjoy it.

Keeping face as I call it.
Teddybear99
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“She WAS stitched up by the editing, and there is no doubt about that whatsoever. I thought she gave an intelligent and admirably independent interview. She KNEW what they had done; every time she went into the diary room you could see that they asked her about Jim, and Emma tried to make the whole exit interview about him as well. Linda, who got on really well with every other housemate, just wasn't having it, and good for her.

Her implacable dislike for Jim did her absolutely no favours, but she was treated disgustingly by BB imo; every single moment of her being friendly and having fun was cut out because she was literally only there to make Jim look good. You can't have failed to notice how much of her best bits video was not only stuff we hadn't seen but stuff that was nothing like what we saw of her. There was nothing in her edit to explain why all the others liked her, why they called her Mama Lin, why she got so few nominations throughout. And it is a credit to her intelligence that she saw straight away what had been done to her and protested.

Why should she just lie down and die because BB had no interest in her as a person, only as a foil for Jim?”

That's exactly how I saw it. The people who's judgements I trust the most in Big Brother are those who are spending 24 hours a day with each other.
JB3
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Cheri:
“BRB, Just silently crying in the corner because someone called WonkeyDonkey doesn't like me on the internet. ”

You can suck my thumb if you like.
yellowlabbie
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Teddybear99:
“That's exactly how I saw it. The people who's judgements I trust the most in Big Brother are those who are spending 24 hours a day with each other.”

Ok so when a child gets bullied by a gang in the playground, the gang are in the right
DiamondDoll
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“Only time will tell. I feel at the moment she will be trying to defend her case, so she will still be blaming Jim.

Once everyone starts to get fed up of that, hopefully she'll take a good look in the mirror and acknowledge the woman looking back at her isn't exactly the nicest person in the world.

I'm just happy I can forgive others for their mistakes as I hope they can forgive me for mine and bear no grudges.

Shame to go through life being so hateful imo.

”

Nail on the head there BS.
JB3
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Ok so when a child gets bullied by a gang in the playground, the gang are in the right”

There aren't any children in this series of BB, nor is there a playground.
DiamondDoll
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by JB3:
“There aren't any children in this series of BB, nor is there a playground.”

I didn't know that.
Thanx for telling me.
wonkeydonkey
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Ok so when a child gets bullied by a gang in the playground, the gang are in the right”

Who is the child in this metaphor?
JB3
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“I didn't know that.
Thanx for telling me. ”

Most welcome.
yellowlabbie
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by JB3:
“There aren't any children in this series of BB, nor is there a playground.”

Really, most of them behave like children.
JB3
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Really, most of them behave like children.”

On that I am in agreement.
Radical Joe
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“She came out of the house and the likes of Ollie and Lee are already focusing on her and how bitter she was. She should have had the dignity to realize her main story was Jim.

She can't rewrite history.”

Well, she can - whether or not people are going to accept that the version of events they were fed by BB is representative or not is up to them.

it seems that a lot of viewers (even long-timers who should know better) are really struggling to grasp the implications of going from having 42 hours a days access to the house to 46 minutes. Even with live feed we could never be sure we were seeing everything, but now there's no chance of that. That much is obvious to everyone. So, given that, why do people still equate what they see on a HLs package with what actually happened in there? Why would someone be so foolish as to try to convince intelligent posters that someone who was actually in the house questioning the narrative we were fed is wrong, and can't rewrite history, as if 'history' in this instance is anything more substantial than a mere, highly selective smidgeon of what went on?

Can't people understand the concept of a narrative? Can't they bring themselves to accept that, even more than before, we are being fed one, and not just in relation to Linda and Jim, but pretty much everything we're talking about, this series and past?

Linda was absolutely justified in not accepting Emma's/Endemol's narrative, re that her stay was solely about Jim. She clearly saw it as more than that, and who are we to argue?
XXRunXX
25-01-2014
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Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I don't know anything about her affair with a married man. But even if it was on the front page of the Sun, no one has said that linda is any kind of saint, have they? It is somehow typical of the forum that you point out the very obvious fact that all the housemates liked Linda, and saw a lot more of her than we did, and you get people saying she was not 'a great saint'. No she wasn't; she wasn't even a particularly good housemate. She was, however, a human being, who deserved a fair crack of the whip; it is plain wrong imo to keep showing every kind word that Jim says to anyone and never, ever show any of linda's.


Linda's husband was already married when she got with him, the point I am making is, we all have a past. Some of the housemates are actually saying it was Linda that caused the arguments, even Rylan said that there was no video evidence that Jim instigated any of the rows, yet members of the Linda pack, stated on camera that Jim would say something to start Linda off, then walk away, so were did these HM get this idea from? IMO there were a few HM that did not want to get involved, because of the pack mentality in the house, they just wanted to have a good time, Linda even said that no matter how many times Dappy was told that Jim was a basically a ****, Dappy couldn't see it, why could Dappy not have drawn his own conclusions about Jim, why did Linda feel the need to tell people?”

IMO Linda tried to play wittingly or unwittingley a game of divide and conquer, she has never liked Jim for whatever reason and he was her target. It worked as he was up for eviction every time.
I admire Dappy in a way at least he was his own man I couldn't stand him before he went in the house but have to say I have slightly warmed to him.
Whether Linda has had a bad edit I don't know perhaps jim was saying stuff to her to make her act the way she did.
But one thing I don't like is a person telling me what to think about another individual so well done Dapps!
Aimee
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Boyard:
“How do you guys think Davina would've handled the interview? Do you think she would've stood up to her more? It was so rude when Linda said "I'm not going to spend my whole interview talking about Jim, OK?"”

But Linda was right. All Emma asked abut was Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, bloody Jim. I felt sorry for Linda, she wanted to talk about the other things from the BB house.
MrJames
25-01-2014
She is just as unnecessarily vicious on tonight's highlights. No redeeming features whatsoever, just filled with complete hate.
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