You really don't know much about her, do you? She has worked almost all her life until she became ill. Two minutes online would have shown you her many years of theatre work.



That was nothing like it. Carole was nominated by 7 different housemates and had big rows with several.

I am not sure what level of evidence you are hoping for.

How much footage did we see of Linda enjoying herself and having a nice, friendly time with any housemate? How many of her conversations, not about Jim, did we see that showed her and Sam being really close and affectionate? How many instances of her mothering the other housemates did we see? How many of the incidents described by Sam, in which Linda would cook and Jim would be mean about her cooking, did we see? Until her best bits video, how many times did we see her laughing and dancing with the other housemates? How much of her friendship with Dappy, that made him so anguished about having nominated her, saying over and over again, "you've made me nominate mama lin! You've made me nominate mama lin!" did we see? How much did we see of everyone moaning and complaining except Linda, as Lionel claimed? How much did we see of Linda being 'really kind', as Liz described her? How many diary room conversations did we see in which she was not answering a question about Jim?

The truth is that BB had no interest whatsoever in Linda. She was there because she was known to have a past history with Jim, and they were completely ruthless in cutting out everything that did not contribute to that 'story'.

True. She tried to describe it as a tough interview, but the truth is that it was only tough because Linda spotted the trap for heffalumps, immediately deduced (as she must have suspected) what had been shown, and refused to play.

You have no more idea than anyone else what she told people in the house, do you? So there is absolutely no reason to suppose that any story has been 'changed'.

Exactly, I squirmed a little on Emma's behalf - she came unprepared for discussing any storyline but the JD one (how boring)... I quite like Emma, but it was unprofessional. Rylan's interview was better.

Good for Linda for talking about other themes, and I'm glad she hammered home her points about Luisa, who is, and has been, an excellent h/m.

I only vote once per show, if at all, and this time my vote will go for either Casey or Ollie, as the nicest two h/ms. If I'd realised how unfairly Linda has been portrayed (and maligned), she might have got my 1 vote instead.

Eveeryone (including those who choose to take part in this show) knows it is heavily edited. Whether Linda was unfavourably edited or not she still did and said the things we saw. We saw her knocking Jim down every time he tried to be pleasant to her. We saw her telling the girls around her bed "I don't want you not to like Jim just because I don't" when it seemed clear to me that was exactly what she wanted and we saw her telling Ollie when he apologised for nominating her "Sorry doesn't cut it Ollie". Or are you suggesting Wonkey that the producers cut and pasted all those things just to make her look bad. 'She came across as very bitter and with a huge chip on her shoulder in the house and she came across the same way in her interview. Every time she mentioned her husband she didn't mention him by name it was nearly always "my dead husband". Playing the "poor widder woman" to the hilt.

and quite conveniently Jim was pis*sed apparently and he wouldn't remember it.

Of course Linda. Now go away and sort your own head out and watch that tongue of yours. Implying Jim did something and wouldn't be able to remember isn't going to wash with me.

Anyone can accuse someone of doing whatever they dream up and then announce 'oh they won't remember'.

Straws and clutching spring to mind.

If JD has a troubled history with alcohol, there are probably vast swathes of his life he can't remember.

Exactly!

But then those that have an issue with Jim will twist things for their own agenda's.

I judged Linda on her behaviour in the house, as I do all housemates.

I didn't like what I saw. She really is so eaten up with hatred.

Yes, the show is edited but I daresay there wasn't many 'nice' bits to show of Linda.

I'm not disagreeing. But implying he was 'vile' to a 16yr old is planting the seed for those that wish to let their imaginations run riot and conjure up all sorts of nonsense. Especially with all the investigations that are going on at the moment regarding others and Jim's own experience of the matter.

I think that is what she is hoping for and if that gets out of hand she could be in trouble.

Well, how do we know that? I doubt she spent a large proportion of the day on such things; the highlights may have included most of those times, and that would leave plenty of time for her to be doing other things. It's pretty clear that the other HMs don't see her as only about Jim.

Even though I don't like Linda, I was pleased to see a HM not let Emma make their interview be about someone else. Emma does that much too often, imo, and it's about time someone didn't stand for it.

I agree, it's a shame if people jump to that conclusion. I took her to mean he'd been drunk and heckled them as an explanation of why she said pre-show that he was a chauvinist. Hopefully she's been told about the current situation and won't mention it again - or clarify when JD is there to challenge the allegation.

That was the point. She still managed to influence the others without being especially popular.
It is unlikely that this is the case with Linda because she has always seemed generally pleasant apart from the grudges but it is possible.

Wonkeydonkey look how everyone seems to be getting on so much better without her in the house.All your arguments on Linda's behalf doesn't change the facts that maybe had she'd been nicer the whole atmosphere within the house could have been totally different.Regarding Sam.She appears to have a very weak character and can be easily manipulated.I saw what you saw and yes she was friendly but also aggressive and quick with the verbal putdown.

I reckon that there is enough evidence for a private prosecution but I cannot see JD bothering because he'll be far too busy with work offers.

Now see .........I would say the complete opposite.

There you go. I know that every year some HM's are stitched up in the interests of a good story line only ever being shown to play the role they've been given. I think it has been particularly unfair and harsh this time around and I'll put my hands up and say it's because I really don't like Jim. Linda was a sacrificial lamb to give JD a story line about his so called 'changed man routine'.

Linda went in there on the very first night with a grudge against Jim, that was her story and she stuck to it like glue, as soon as she was away from him she called the HM's around to tell them what a terrible person Jim was how he changed when drunk, Jasmine and Luisa did everything in their power to wind Jim up, see the other side to him, but they didn't succeed.

Linda was all over the other HM's while having digs at Jim, they didn't have to suffer the nastier side of her personality. Jim didn't tell them all he knows about her and her husband.

You really are blind to her faults. JD has a past, the younger HM's knew nothing about him they only had Linda's version to go on.

Linda played a dirty game and lost.

Who knows without Linda's influence they may well have got on with Jim.

Spot on.
She was just lovely and never once bitched or moaned.
Blame Endemol.

Is your dislike of Jim based on what you've seen in the house or did you already have an opinion of him based on what you've read/heard over the years? Personally I know very little to nothing about Jim or Linda's lives outwith the house so I have judged them on how they have been while in there. I'm sure there were a few bits where Linda was nice but I suspect they are times when she was being fawned over by some of the younger ones or when she was getting her own way. Apart from her attitude to Jim her reaction to being nominated was very telling imo.

So, you'll forgive Linda for her rather bad behaviour because as you see it she was this years sacrificial lamb. But you won't give Jim the benefit of your doubt on what you call his 'changed man routine'.

How do you know Linda was the sacrificial lamb and how do you know Jim hasn't changed?

How can you be so certain on both counts?

Are you privy to some sort of information that I am not?

I trust your tongue was lodged firmly in your cheek when posting that comment

Moi?

I only have to see Jim night after night on my telly to know he hasn't changed. He is the same as he ever was. An opinonated, rude man full of his own importance, biting back rage and anger like this . Of course he's not gonna let it out - he'd be a fool. He's told us all he's not gonna be himself as he'd get kicked out.

the clues are all there ..........some people don't want to see - admittedly some do as I. No changes from where I'm sitting.

Linda's full of crap.She exposed herself for what she is.Just like Coleen has done on twitter.She said it's impossible to keep up an act for three weeks and then said Jim's putting on a performance.She said that I was never up and Jim was so what does that tell you? Well nothing because Julie Goodyear was playing mother hen and was bitching and backstabbing and avoided been put up until the latter end,incidentally Linda said that was because Julie was good at been fake and manipulative.So just because you haven't been put up doesn't mean anything at all.And if Jim's been a such a good game player and putting on an act then he's dong a piss poor job because he's always up.He's either acting for the audience or the housemates so which one is it because it can't be both because he doesn't know what will be shown of him in the edit.

Nice try though.

I think I'd be biting back rage and anger if I'd been treated the way he has in there. Hats off to him for keeping his cool.

Succinctly put, couldn't agree more.

BIB doesn't mean you are correct though.

Come sit next to me Penny, I can see the changes from where I'm sitting.


You have your opinion, I have mine. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Until he proves otherwise, Jim has come across far better in that house than Linda could ever hope to.

We get glimpses of the real Jim at times, like in his speech against Luisa.

His tactic of leaving when a HM reacts to something he's done is a very good one, though. It keeps him from losing his cool and saying what he thinks, and it tends to make him look an innocent victim. That some HMs sometimes over-react or treat some things as digs when they probably weren't helps too. But I think he knows what he's doing (as people like to say).