I believe the above sentence is the reason Linda is so bitter...who would want Linda on their shows after what her husband did...he wouldn't of been trusted

Also, where has all the unpleasantness about the unemployed and those receiving benefits come from? Earlier in the recession, people seemed to understand that that many people were out of work because their employer had had financial problems and because there were more people looking for work than there were jobs.


Well said. Indeed, why do we need a live feed when, even with virtually none, people will think they know as much as when there was 24/7 coverage? On BOTS the other night, Annabel Giles even said "Linda's forgotten that we're all seeing everything."

It's especially odd considering how the show's being edited on C5, with even more focus on rows and romances than when it was on C4, with time taken up by "previously" and "coming up", and so on.


BB presenters often seem woefully unprepared for a HM who doesn't respond as expected. (Think of Davia with Susie in bb7, for example.)

That's very much how I see him too.

All those saying that he's a saint for keeping his temper appear to miss the way that he's maliciously controlling the atmosphere in the house. He's very clever and knows that he can do far more damage through quiet malevolent autocracy than through losing his temper.

His next career move should be a country in need of a dictator... Is Mugabe due to retire soon????????

Was Linda a great saint to get involved with a married man? We all have a past, even Linda Nolan

You are missing the point. I keep saying that Linda did herself absolutely no favours with her implacable dislike of Jim. But my point is that that was only a very small part of her BB experience. She had close and warm relationships, as far as we can see, with every other housemate except perhaps Lionel, who did not find her disagreeable enough.

It really is reasonable to say that Linda is seen as a kind person and easy to live with in the house, far more so than Jim. But just look at how many of Jim's kind moments have been shown on the highlights: over and over again we have seen him having a comforting word with someone; always Jim being the comforter, never Linda. It really is depressing how many people just refuse to believe that this is editing, and have to make up fanciful and ridiculous theories about people only being fond of Linda because they were frightened of her, or brainwashed by her.

If Liz said that Linda is 'actually very kind', then it is because Liz lived with a Linda who was actually very kind. What possible reason would Liz have to lie? And it really is unimaginable that the other housemates listened to Linda complaining about Jim for three weeks solid, and thought, "What a nice, kind person Linda is! Especially the way she goes on about Jim all the time."

Yes, and what you saw was what BB chose to show you. You didn't see any of Linda's ordinary, friendly, pleasant behaviour because they didn't want you to see it. She was there to clash with Jim, pure and simple. They had less than no interest in showing what she actually did with her time.
What is your theory about why all of the other housemates like her? Are you going for the 'frightened' theory or the 'brainwashed' theory?

A prosecution for what?

I don't recognise this timid, malleable Luisa who waits with her finger in her mouth waiting to be told who to like. Do you? Nor do I recognise this Jim who would have thrown himself into all the house parties if only Linda had not been there. Do you?

If anything, the truth is the opposite. If BB had not cynically put Linda in as nothing more than Jim's story, she would have had a lovely time, as she very nearly did, made the final with up to one nomination, and been out mid-final as a perfectly ordinary, not very memorable housemate.

Many years ago I made the error of marrying a lying, thieving, alcoholic conman. Fortunately others didn't judge me for the rest of my life by my ex husband and I have been fortunate in having a sucessful career.

By this ^^^^ token I should be down and out living on benefits because I made a bad matrimonial choice when I was young..???

Everything you say may or may not be true but I can only judge on what I actually saw, not what might have happened in betweem and from what I saw Linda was a very nasty, manipulative housemate.

and even when Emma tried to ask about other things SHE (Linda) brought Jim into it

You clearly had the good sense to get rid of that person. Linda chose to stay with her lying thieving husband until the day he died and appears to still be insisting he was an innocent man and for some peculiar reason, blaming JD for the situation.

Hi Wonkey,

apologies for snipping a well written and thought out post, but I have been playing catch up and seen several references to Sam saying things that may have happened or Linda told her happened and this one caught my eye. In the "nice" argument, Jim asked Linda has she cooked and she said no, so I'm not sure that is correct.

On the whole Jim Linda saga, I think she allowed her dislike (however it formed), to fester and this caused her to lose perspective. However flawed or unpleasant Jim is, she ended up making him look tolerant and patient.
I'm sure she has had lots of good moments in the house that weren't shown, but it seems to me who had no opinion or either of them prior to this BB that she was so busy trying to show him up she saw slights and spite where it wasn't and that meant that even when she was correctly calling him out, it lost any impact.

And when he showed his more vindictive side, the reaction of the public was more forgiving, because of how she has been picking at him.

I don't know anything about her affair with a married man. But even if it was on the front page of the Sun, no one has said that linda is any kind of saint, have they? It is somehow typical of the forum that you point out the very obvious fact that all the housemates liked Linda, and saw a lot more of her than we did, and you get people saying she was not 'a great saint'. No she wasn't; she wasn't even a particularly good housemate. She was, however, a human being, who deserved a fair crack of the whip; it is plain wrong imo to keep showing every kind word that Jim says to anyone and never, ever show any of linda's.

What a harsh way to describe someone with one minor conviction. Are you honestly trying to say that Linda had a moral duty to abandon her husband at what must have been a really dreadful time in his life? What a perfect person you must be to set yourself in such high judgment.

I'm far from perfect lol. There are many things I have done which I regret but I don't try to blame other people for them. Why is my description harsh? He was a thief and lied about it. I don't think that is disputed. I'm not saying she should have abandoned him but to try to blame someone else for what happened because of her husband's actions surely cannot be defended.

[quote=wonkeydonkey;71022854]I don't know anything about her affair with a married man. But even if it was on the front page of the Sun, no one has said that linda is any kind of saint, have they? It is somehow typical of the forum that you point out the very obvious fact that all the housemates liked Linda, and saw a lot more of her than we did, and you get people saying she was not 'a great saint'. No she wasn't; she wasn't even a particularly good housemate. She was, however, a human being, who deserved a fair crack of the whip; it is plain wrong imo to keep showing every kind word that Jim says to anyone and never, ever show any of linda's.


Linda's husband was already married when she got with him, the point I am making is, we all have a past. Some of the housemates are actually saying it was Linda that caused the arguments, even Rylan said that there was no video evidence that Jim instigated any of the rows, yet members of the Linda pack, stated on camera that Jim would say something to start Linda off, then walk away, so were did these HM get this idea from? IMO there were a few HM that did not want to get involved, because of the pack mentality in the house, they just wanted to have a good time, Linda even said that no matter how many times Dappy was told that Jim was a basically a ****, Dappy couldn't see it, why could Dappy not have drawn his own conclusions about Jim, why did Linda feel the need to tell people?

As it happens there were other reasons (which I am not going to divulge on a public forum to someone whom I don't know from a bar of soap) for me to divorce my ex. I would not consider a minor theft, committed by someone that I loved, when they were in desperate circumstances, grounds for divorce. I'd consider that sort of behaviour from most people that I know to be a cry for help - I guess that's where we differ!!!

Then why did she insist on going on about him later on BBBOTS? Rylan even had to call a halt when she accused Jim of being 'nasty' to her and her '16 year old sister' 30+ years ago.

I see Luisa as a wind up merchant, once Linda had told them how Jim changes when he has a drink Luisa (and Jasmine) tried very hard to see this side of Jim, they called him a miserable P****, and a miserable B******D and mama Lyn looked on grinning. Is it any wonder Jim didn't want to join in the parties knowing what was coming.....Linda had a lot of influence over the younger HM's look how poor Dappy grovelled to her after nominating her, Jim was nominated every time and took it on the chin.

Linda was put in the house because of her performance with Julie Goodyear's husband on BBOTS, she's mouthy, like Luisa and Jasmine.

Jims had a rough time in there. I don't care who wins just happy he beat her when they were both up.

Spot on.
Wonder if the penny will ever drop for her.

Did she? Odd, because the remaining HM's have been discussing how difficult they found her. Ollie said she was forever on his back about petty things and he didn't need mothering.

Anyway, I'm sure you will see their discussions in another light, but I won't, and neither has BB.

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Day 23: Ollie feels like he can be himself again
Ollie, Casey and Lee gathered in the garden last night to talk about how life in the House will be easier now that Linda has gone. Ollie also thinks he'll be able to be more natural around Sam.

Jim would have had a better time without Linda, but there is absolutely no reason to suppose he would have enjoyed the rough and tumble of house life a particle more. He said he hates parties where people dance 'with their hands in the air', not that he hated parties with Linda in. He said that he can't bear being kept awake when he wanted to sleep, not that he hated being kept awake by people in a house with Linda in it.

And from a BB point of view, he has led a charmed life. He has constantly been shown saying kind things to people, while none of Linda's kindness has been shown at all, though it made a good deal more of an impact. He has now had three special, flattering tasks designed for him. This is Rylan/ Speidi all over again; special stuff for Jim! And more special stuff for Jim! Is someone talking about Jim? Straight to the highlight show! Are they talking about someone else? Yawn, cut it out.

Yes, and what you saw was what BB chose to show you. You didn't see any of Linda's ordinary, friendly, pleasant behaviour because they didn't want you to see it. She was there to clash with Jim, pure and simple. They had less than no interest in showing what she actually did with her time.

Did you see any of Linda's ordinary, friendly, pleasant behaviour to make that fact?

I'd be more inclined to consider that notion Wonkey if you could prove that the BIB is absolutely correct.

It's an assumption on your part, one which I don't put much store to as it is, after all, an assumption.

I go by what I see, as do many others. That's really all we can go on. Otherwise I could be saying that Linda's behaviour was much worse than we saw and BB edited that out.

Wow.

Just how telling is that.

Here is what we saw:

1. Lionel saying that Linda was 'bland' because she 'when everyone else is moaning and complaining, she never does'. He didn't mean it as a compliment, obviously, but it was an interesting criticism.

2. Jim getting 22 nominations; Linda getting three, one of which was because 'she reminds me of my sister, with her blonde hair and blue eyes'. Most of Jim's were about him being grumpy.

3. Sam saying she is 'really close to Linda'.

4. Liz saying "Linda is actually really kind".

5. The huskies being obviously startled when they saw Linda 'not coming across well at all' in a conversation, because they had clearly not seen that side of her before.

6. Dappy being distraught after nominating her because he felt he had nominated someone he really liked instead of someone he disliked.

7. Linda's best bits video containing scenes of her laughing, dancing and enjoying herself that not only had we never seen before, but we had never seen anything like them before. I always think it is an admission of biased editing when the best bits video is really different from what we have been shown.

All these things we have seen. So going, as you have said, by what you have seen: why do YOU think Liz said Linda is really kind? Was she lying? Why do YOU think so few people nominated Linda?

Regardless of whether she had a laugh with the rest of the HMs, she didn't make the effort to try and get on with Jim, quite the contrary. She could have just let it go, resolved to live and let live, but she actually relished a chance to have an argument with him. He usually got the better of her, hence her early departure.

It's not that people don't see Jim's flaws, it's that they don't need someone endlessly pointing them out, especially someone who had a history with him. It's like going out with a married couple who keep arguing in front of you. Who needs it?

I think the problem was that her husband was managing her, so you couldnt book Linda without having dealings with him.

People tend to believe whatever they are told. Once Linda had mentioned Jim's comments they could maybe have misinterpreted things to suit. (And the other way around with Jim)

I think they showed plenty of Linda's kindness.

I think it's very harsh. I love my family and would fight tooth and nail to preserve their reputation when it's challenged on national TV by someone I can't stand. I'd do it in any environment actually. I may privately, within the marriage, have expressed dismay, but then I'm sure that in a long happy marriage, he'd feel able to tell me why he did it, and together we'd work through his issues.

I'm also a firm believer in the justice system, which has appropriate retribution then rehabilitation at its core. He paid for his crime and no ex-offender who's already been punished for one relatively minor offence, should face condemnation from others, even past their death.

This forum has on this issue been like watching a kangaroo court convicting a dead man (and his wife who's guilty by association) over and over, no double jeopardy, no sense of proportion. No moral sense of forgiveness and understanding, the very things Linda was accused of lacking. The sanctimonious hypocrisy is breathtaking.