i see where you're coming from but as it was the main actor and showrunner's final show and the success of the show were no longer their concern, I'm sticking with self indulgent and self important mush.

but wouldn't have simply died without regeneration energy,also there is all the 'this song is ending...never ends' dialogue

Agree with others about 10/11, I didn't like that regeneration either. My God 10 couldn't be anymore self-absorbed if he tried! Thankfully 11 made up for that scene straight afterwards but still can't get over 10's response towards it.

Which is why I liked 8/War, War/9, 9/10 and 11/12 better. They all had a right amount of "end of an era" sadness about being re-written but also having great feelings of being very dignified and hopeful towards the future at the same time.

Agree with the many, Tennant-to-Smith was wall-punchingly awful. Tennant deserved better than to go out as a coward, first by having his tantrum at beloved Wilf and ending it with a whiny "I don't wanna go!" I didn't care for the extended, long "regeneration" where he did his victory lap but it was nothing compared to blowing up the TARDIS interior for no reason.

Err...I guess that's pretty minor now given the nuclear blast Moffat just gave us, taking out an entire armada. Total crap. Since when is regeneration supposed to be so explosive and damaging? Give me the soft lighting and gentle fireworks (complete with the tea kettle sound) over the stupid explosions any day.

I expected at the very least that Moffat would dispense with RTD's idiotic kaboom but instead he one-upped it and made it worse.

Well 8 to War is pessemistic in the sense that he's turned himself into a fighter- no more nice guy but then of course, no one wants to get in the TARDIS with him so he's a bit lonely. Even the charm and sweet-talking doesn't work! I thought 9 to 10 was well pitched, easing the newcomers into the idea of regeneration and definitely looking forward to the future.

Yeah, I kind of preferred it lowkey. It worked right at the beginning of the reboot, where it was still a surprise, but it just looks a bit too overblown now.

True but he was still dignified about it despite finally giving in to the time-war.


This I 100% agree with! Poor David Tennant really got the raw end of the deal. In regards to his tantrum towards Wilf yes that really peed me off too. He might as well have said "Thanks a lot Wilf! Thanks a lot!"

Mind you, he was being given a whole new cycle so it was more than just a regeneration. We haven't witnessed that before so maybe it is more explosive when that happens (actually, as we have now seen, yes it is! )

It's probably one of the most dignified re-generations as he's doing it for the greater good even though he doesn't want to be that man.

Hard to beat "I don't want to go" for me but I've always had a soft spot for Baker to Davisdon's as it was my first when I was very young.

I know a lot of people hate it but I was blown away as a kid and everytime I watch it, it takes me right back

guess Im in the minority in this thread but I absolutely love the 10/11 regeneration, what many call over indulged, I call a masterclass in dramatics. The emotional farwell's, the stumbling into the tardis and throwing off his iconic coat one last time, the slow tension building glow of gradual regeneration energy that could be held off no longer, his last, final helpless, heartbreaking plea for his tenth life, then, the massive crash and bang as the tardis feels his pain and practically self destructs in protest. Truly grand stuff


secondly his 'tantrum' at wilf was so raw, and for me brilliant. So totally different from anything else he had done before, normally it's all just nicey-nicey no matter what and keeping his compusure but this time he was almost annoyed at his own moral's that he knew had to save wilf because it was the right thing to do, but after everything he'd done for the universe he now had to sacrifice a body he loved being in, so he did the right thing anyway but rightly so thought for once he was entitled to blow off steam at the fact he was getting the raw end of the deal.

If all time lords regenerated with such explosive force wouldn't they blow up Gallifrey or the Capitol at least ? My favourite regeneration has always been 4/5. I really wasn't keen on 11/12 sudden head jerk and he's changed. Not good. Why does Moffat always over complicate things .... He regenerated on the clock tower but was holding on etc etc.

The explosive regeneration may be something that they have some sort of control over, I think Tennant's Doctor was so upset at going, he just did it anyway even though it wreaked his TARDIS!
With Matt's Doctor he used the explosive regeneration anyway, as it was useful!
I agree that time lords on Gallifrey wouldn't want to use the explosive regeneration energy there, as they wouldnt just want to damage things unnecessarily.
Although they would most likely regenerate in or near their TARDIS'es just like the Doctor normally does.

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Thinking about other TARDIS'es Im wondering if they would've just stayed where they were, when Gallifrey got put in the parallel universe, like the Doctor's TARDIS did in Stolen Earth when the Earth got taken, or did the Doctor transfer them all too?

yeah, really think the regeneration should have gone all the way on the clock tower. the whole reset then short regeneration just seemed like they were obsessed with making matt look like usual for the regeneration when he really didn't need to

well the bit in the TARDIS ect after the clock tower bit I think it is setting something up for the new series (the spoiler talks about something that's been seen during filming!)



Check out this thread for more on filming spoilers: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1927195

I'll level with you: it didn't work for me.

I didn't like Matt's spoken word rap, felt like he was auditioning for a rnb album after he left rather than anything real the Doctor might actually say.
(Maybe the words were ok but the way he delivered it completely pulled me out of the moment)

Amelia's return I thought was an artificial bookend.
Great, he's fantasising, that usually happens during regenerations but it just didn't feel right having her appear but NOT appear as the actual character, etc
(A lot like Billie's appearance as The Moment in the 50th. The Moment could've been anyone, the only reason they chose it to be Rose was for shock value/trailer reasons )

And finally the transition felt like a bit of a cheat.
You wait years for a regeneration and the one thing I liked most about it was the spectacular morphing effect between the two Doctors as has been shown to be canonically consistent for the new series between Doctors, Masters and weird offshoot children of humans who happen to have hanky panky in the Tardis.

Then achoo and here's Capaldi.
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