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BlueStreak
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Dave Mac:
“Very saucy.

Domme BlueStreak is it? ”

Hell yeah! non of this pc lark for me. Beat them into submission LOL!

Sorry, I have a dreadful sense of humour that's probably quite unacceptable to some. But hey ho!

and the world continues to revolve

Iggy's Boy
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
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Telling jokes that demean other races, sexual orientations, gender is wrong.”

What does it really mean 'to demean'? Most jokes have a target. Many jokes make fun of the things people do, the things people say. Who decides whether a joke demeans someone or not?

I believe in free speech. I believe that the only arbiter of a joke is whether it's funny or not and exposes a truth, however uncomfortable.

Inciting people to hate is not funny, prejudice is not funny, but some jokes where the target is the behaviour of people to do with their race, their gender or their sexual orientation can be funny.

For example, Louis CK doing a bit on how some gay people with little dogs and outrageous clothes are funny and it's not homophobic to point this out.

Or Chris Rock's routine about Blacks vs N*******

Or Richard Prior's numerous observations on the behaviour of white people.

Let's not have censorship and a puritanical approach to comedy. Comedians are there to say the unsayable, to push boundaries. If you don't find it funny, then fair enough, walk away from it, but please let's not make blanket statements about what kind of comedy is 'wrong' because that way lies the thought police.
Dextor_Morgan
25-01-2014
Stephen Fry summed up people getting offended quite well...

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
od hominem
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Trish123:
“I'm of Irish parents. When I used to hear the old jokes of the Englishman Irishman and Scot who blahh blah and the Irishman was always the butt of the joke I used to laugh. My dad born and bred in Ireland laughed and retold it, with the Englishman or Scottish man as the butt of the joke.

This never struck me as racist. I don't believe it is. It's just shock tactics to get a laugh. Like being "outrageously funny"

Terrorism is racist NOT jokes imo.

This total gagging of what people choose to say, think, feel or listen to is getting really extreme.”

How are you being gagged? By all means, say what you think and feel...but stop whining just because some people find it offensive.



Originally Posted by Trish123:
“It won't change opinion, but when certain people in society are so over protected, it can only lead to resentments and real bigotry imo.”

Right, so finding it offensive when idiots tell bigoted jokes will lead to bigotry and resentment? Have a word with your good self.
klaw
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
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I recall being told years ago that one should always laugh with someone and not at someone.”

Sod that. Can I laugh at David Cameron? Yes I can. 'Punching up' or 'punching down' is a good way of looking at what can seem ok/pc, but uncomfortably for some punching down can sometimes be just as funny. I didn't make the rules.
BlueStreak
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by NorfolkPoppy:
“So true. You make a comment about having a fat day and some thin as a whippet girl will get upset because she lost 10 stones last year and she doesn't like fat being mentioned - even though it was aimed at yourself.

Soon we will all talk vanilla, look vanilla and be vanilla...”

Oh, I quite agree Poppy. I would never intentionally go out of my way to upset someone, I'd be mortified, but I have put my foot in it quite a number of times I will confess.

I find I laugh at things I most probably shouldn't but I can't help myself. There is no malice in it, it's just how I am.

My friend fell over and broke her leg once. I was almost beside myself with laughter. The looks I got from passers by who went to help her was awful. I wasn't laughing because she'd hurt herself, it was the fact she'd done some kind of military two step on the way down that just tickled me LOL!

Dave Mac
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Iggy's Boy:
“What does it really mean 'to demean'? Most jokes have a target. Many jokes make fun of the things people do, the things people say. Who decides whether a joke demeans someone or not?

I believe in free speech. I believe that the only arbiter of a joke is whether it's funny or not and exposes a truth, however uncomfortable.

Inciting people to hate is not funny, prejudice is not funny, but some jokes where the target is the behaviour of people to do with their race, their gender or their sexual orientation can be funny.

For example, Louis CK doing a bit on how some gay people with little dogs and outrageous clothes are funny and it's not homophobic to point this out.

Or Chris Rock's routine about Blacks vs N*******

Or Richard Prior's numerous observations on the behaviour of white people.

Let's not have censorship and a puritanical approach to comedy. Comedians are there to say the unsayable, to push boundaries. If you don't find it funny, then fair enough, walk away from it, but please let's not make blanket statements about what kind of comedy is 'wrong' because that way lies the thought police.”

Well said.
SnowStorm86
25-01-2014
I was rather hoping that with Linda being evicted, this type of bile being spewed all series on this forum would finally come to an end, and that we could all enjoy the final few days without banging on and on and on about Linda.
soullover
25-01-2014
Regardless of the fact that consenting adults can, quite rightly, do what they wish...I think there would actually be very few married couples out here in the 'real world' who would be comfortable with watching their spouse having sex with another partner. I suspect in the World of showbiz a lot of these encounters are drug fuelled. Linda pissed me off by inferring it was a normal thing to do.
Helenbemerry
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by od hominem:
“Telling non PC jokes, by their very nature, usually involves offending certain groups. Group sex between consenting adults doesn't offend anyone. It's not as if they keep phoning you up and asking you to watch.”

No one forces anyone to go and watch a comedian tell non PC jokes - if you know you're going to be offended, don't go. I've never had Jim Davidson phoning me telling me offensive jokes either
What name??
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by sanegirl:
“So telling non PC jokes to people that have paid good money to here them is not something that is allowed even though all present are consenting to it. Double standards.”

Who said that?
BlueStreak
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“I was rather hoping that with Linda being evicted, this type of bile being spewed all series on this forum would finally come to an end, and that we could all enjoy the final few days without banging on and on and on about Linda.”

You can always avoid any threads that you feel are unacceptable to you.

It's not spoiling the rest of the show imo.

Dave Mac
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“I was rather hoping that with Linda being evicted, this type of bile being spewed all series on this forum would finally come to an end, and that we could all enjoy the final few days without banging on and on and on about Linda.”

Quite harsh of you to want to rob Linda of her last few days of relevancy.
riverside 57
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Iggy's Boy:
“What does it really mean 'to demean'? Most jokes have a target. Many jokes make fun of the things people do, the things people say. Who decides whether a joke demeans someone or not?

I believe in free speech. I believe that the only arbiter of a joke is whether it's funny or not and exposes a truth, however uncomfortable.

Inciting people to hate is not funny, prejudice is not funny, but some jokes where the target is the behaviour of people to do with their race, their gender or their sexual orientation can be funny.

For example, Louis CK doing a bit on how some gay people with little dogs and outrageous clothes are funny and it's not homophobic to point this out.

Or Chris Rock's routine about Blacks vs N*******

Or Richard Prior's numerous observations on the behaviour of white people.

Let's not have censorship and a puritanical approach to comedy. Comedians are there to say the unsayable, to push boundaries. If you don't find it funny, then fair enough, walk away from it, but please let's not make blanket statements about what kind of comedy is 'wrong' because that way lies the thought police.”

Excellent post, sums up my views exactly!
SnowStorm86
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Dave Mac:
“Quite harsh of you to want to rob Linda of her last few days of relevancy.”

Yes so harsh of me wanting to deprive Linda of the relentless and nasty drivel that has been posted on here from day 1.
too_much_coffee
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Iggy's Boy:
“What does it really mean 'to demean'? Most jokes have a target. Many jokes make fun of the things people do, the things people say. Who decides whether a joke demeans someone or not?

I believe in free speech. I believe that the only arbiter of a joke is whether it's funny or not and exposes a truth, however uncomfortable.

Inciting people to hate is not funny, prejudice is not funny, but some jokes where the target is the behaviour of people to do with their race, their gender or their sexual orientation can be funny.

For example, Louis CK doing a bit on how some gay people with little dogs and outrageous clothes are funny and it's not homophobic to point this out.

Or Chris Rock's routine about Blacks vs N*******

Or Richard Prior's numerous observations on the behaviour of white people.

Let's not have censorship and a puritanical approach to comedy. Comedians are there to say the unsayable, to push boundaries. If you don't find it funny, then fair enough, walk away from it, but please let's not make blanket statements about what kind of comedy is 'wrong' because that way lies the thought police.”

I certainly wouldn't want censorship and agree that the examples that you cite above are funny because they are either ridiculing the adsurdities of people who by their own actions leave themselves open to such ridicule or, in some cases, veer towards self parody. What IMO is wrong, is to try to humiliate people for things including the colour of their skin or their gender.
NorfolkPoppy
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by soullover:
“Regardless of the fact that consenting adults can, quite rightly, do what they wish...I think there would actually be very few married couples out here in the 'real world' who would be comfortable with watching their spouse having sex with another partner. I suspect in the World of showbiz a lot of these encounters are drug fuelled. Linda pissed me off by inferring it was a normal thing to do.”

I hate to be the one to break it to you but...they can't. They may do so in the comfort of their own home but not in the High Street, not in Regent's Parl not in.....

Thankfully

Plus, I thought Linda was joking and that was a taste of her sense of humour
Dave Mac
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Yes so harsh of me wanting to deprive Linda of the relentless and nasty drivel that has been posted on here from day 1.”

It is.

Did you not know she was benefits?
msreluctant
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Because of the totally fallacious argument that "what consenting adults get up to in private" has no consequences for others and therefore nobody has any right to judge. Frankly, we all have as much right to judge what people make public about their sexual lives as we do about their public jokes and to argue the difference is simply illogical. The reasons most people have views on sexual mores of others are complex but I would argue that since people's individual sexual habits tend to have consequences for society as a whole (certainly as tax payers!) we have a perfect right, even an obligation to have an opinion.”

Couldn't agree more.
teresagreen
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by Incognito777:
“Watching your wife get shagged up the arse by random blokes is all the rage nowadays.
Lovely.

But never ever tell a non PC joke!! (unless you're a woman or minority, then people will find your non PC jokes hilarious).”

Nail. On. Head. Well done
basia
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by od hominem:
“Group sex between consenting adults doesn't offend anyone. It's not as if they keep phoning you up and asking you to watch.”

Ha ha...
AMS13
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by sanegirl:
“So telling non PC jokes to people that have paid good money to here them is not something that is allowed even though all present are consenting to it. Double standards.”

Apparently so, but you can go dogging instead! Yep, I am as confused as you.
ForGodsSake
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by sanegirl:
“So telling non PC jokes to people that have paid good money to here them is not something that is allowed even though all present are consenting to it. Double standards.”

I agree with this actually.
ForGodsSake
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“Those consenting to listening and laughing at his hate-filled 'humour' then go out into the world and live out that hate.
Their victims are not consenting.”

That's being a tad ridiculous.
ForGodsSake
25-01-2014
Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“Yes, sorry to break it to you.”

Another ridiculous (in my opinion) post.
So old ladies that laugh along to Chubby and JD are hate filled racists now are they?

talk about lumping everyone in together.

You couldnt make it up.
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