I'm confused to what is acceptable

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Bacon&Eggs

25-01-2014

Originally Posted by klaw:
“This forum has decided its own rules and I abide by them. others I have been on, or have run, have allowed complete freedom of speech. And others are stricter. These are the rules of each club, and the site is not society.

In society I value freedom of expression, up to the point of incitement to violence or shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theatre. Anything less, people may feel free to disagree, all that Voltaire stuff about defending somebody's right to say what you vehemently disagree with. That certainly includes all comedians.

All media has different rules though - banning children from 18 rated films is fine. In general I don't think adults need 'protecting' from many ideas or statements. And I don't like people being silenced, as I fundamentally don't trust whoever is in charge of the silencing.”

Sounds reasonable.

Freedom of speech carries a price though. To allow magazines the freedom to carry the message your not beautiful if your not a size 10, the price is a few anorexic men & women. Same with Jim Davidson type jokes, the price is a few racist teenagers, adults, and a lot of suspicion that viewers are racist. I'm not sure i appreciate the importance of freedom to tell racist jokes. but i wouldn't ban them, i'm very glad they are politically incorrect though. As for the magazines, i'd ban them tomorrow.

hunkydory

25-01-2014

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“Those consenting to listening and laughing at his hate-filled 'humour' then go out into the world and live out that hate.
Their victims are not consenting.”

20 or 30 years ago you had irish jokes gay jokes mother in law jokes fat jokes the list goes on and the audience was a mix of the above and paid to see it a joke is'nt intended to hurt but to be funny people were'nt so uptight then and saw it for what it was now you can only tell a gay joke if your gay a fat joke if your fat and so on times change and people with it

ForGodsSake

26-01-2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFqv1QDI3Q

Bernard Righton.

Pisstake on PC brigade.

B L Zeebub

26-01-2014

Originally Posted by hunkydory:
“20 or 30 years ago you had irish jokes gay jokes mother in law jokes fat jokes the list goes on and the audience was a mix of the above and paid to see it a joke is'nt intended to hurt but to be funny people were'nt so uptight then and saw it for what it was now you can only tell a gay joke if your gay a fat joke if your fat and so on times change and people with it”

I remember it well.
In fact, one particular joke I remember hearing at the age of about 8 or 9 (so in the early 70s) was about certain ethnicities going into a pig sty in turn. Each time the person would run out crying, "Eeew, the smell", culminating in a 'P word' going in and all the pigs running out, crying the same thing.

Hilarious?

Obviously not and I knew that even at that age. I changed the joke to people I knew, friends or family, depending on who I was telling it to. The joke was still cruel, but the target was personal and relied on a relationship between me and the person targeted in order to be funny.

I don't think realising that racist jokes were wrong made me an uptight person. I love humour, even quite black humour (no pun intended). I just understood that jokes that demean and put down entire sections of the community in a cruel way were wrong, unfair and damaging.

Jim hasn't realised that yet, that's all.

Syntax Error

26-01-2014

Originally Posted by sanegirl:
“I guess I'm getting old, is having sex with other men with your husband watching and multiple partners acceptable nowadays? It has been pointed out to by many here that telling non PC jokes is not acceptable - so where do people stand on the former? I am not trying to offend with this Q. I just want to know.”

You decide for yourself where your moral compass points.

As long as what you're doing is not illegal or harmful to anybody else, people can decide what is acceptable for themselves.

Aynuck

26-01-2014

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“I remember it well.
In fact, one particular joke I remember hearing at the age of about 8 or 9 (so in the early 70s) was about certain ethnicities going into a pig sty in turn. Each time the person would run out crying, "Eeew, the smell", culminating in a 'P word' going in and all the pigs running out, crying the same thing.

Hilarious?

Obviously not and I knew that even at that age. I changed the joke to people I knew, friends or family, depending on who I was telling it to. The joke was still cruel, but the target was personal and relied on a relationship between me and the person targeted in order to be funny.

I don't think realising that racist jokes were wrong made me an uptight person. I love humour, even quite black humour (no pun intended). I just understood that jokes that demean and put down entire sections of the community in a cruel way were wrong, unfair and damaging.

Jim hasn't realised that yet, that's all.”

I think that you'll find that he has.
He tends not to do the old hard core Bernard Manning stuff now except as irony to shine the light on the casual racism that still exists and always will.
Nobody would get the chance to appear on mainstream tv now if they used the old stuff that could truly be considered racist and Jim Davidson didn't go into BB on a whim, he obviously has some form of career rehabilitation in mind.
No amount of legislation or thought control will eradicate racism though no matter how well hidden it may be, because the tribal instinct is part of human nature.
People will always take the absolute pi$$ out of others, or out of other communities, races, religions etc;
It's been happening since the dawn of time and will continue to happen and people will continue to laugh.
Some people may not like it but human nature is not perfect and people are not saints.

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