I would like to know other people's opinion about people who are 'honest' and 'tell it like it is'.

There was a time when this 'honesty' would have been classed as rudeness, tactlessness, being unsympathetic, ungracious, unfeeling or lacking in empathy.

Maybe it's a modern day thing, but why is it now somehow a good thing to hurt other people unnecessarily just so you can blurt out your own opinion without any consideration, or ability to put oneself in another's shoes.

When did it become *undesirable* to show a little consideration to your neighbour and to try to just get along with others. Why is it apparently considered 'two faced' to be polite and reasonable with others who you are not particularly keen on. We all have to do this all the time in real life, with work colleagues, family members etc.

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Personally
I believe a person can be honest without being offensive.. Luisa doesn't fit into that category ..she can be quite brutal with her opinions

If someone asked you whether their bum looked big in this, (even if it did) would you say yes and hurt their feelings just so you could clear yourself of being 'honest' or would you reassure them and say it doesn't? Of course one person's 'honesty' is just an opinion. One person's big bum is another ones luscious bum.

Do you see what I'm saying?

She's just a loudmouthed arsehole.

Completely agree with that but I also don't think that she's as honest as she or some people make her out to be. This last week she has made quite a few comments about Ollie in the diary room or in the kennel with the husky's (i'm talking before the arguement) even the night of the big argument she waited until getting to the safety of the bedroom before prancing and bitching. If Ollie hadn't of confronted her she would have carried on with the behind the back stuff.

If she wasn't a rude, inconsiderate loud mouth, she would be nothing. There is nothing else there except a little self loathing perhaps.

I had never come across this 'just being honest' thing before watching BB I don't think. Maybe it has something to do with the production company choosing narcissistic, self serving, Machiavellian types to go in the BB house from about the 5th or 6th series? I've not met many people like this in 'real life'.

It's perfectly possible to be honest without being thoughtless, rude and willfully ignorant of other's feelings. Basically it has in recent times becoming the go to excuse of malicious people to say they are just being honest. Which is itself an act of enormous dishonesty. And the reality is, it is usually these people who are least equipped to hear honesty aimed towards them.

I believe that there is a massive difference between people saying they 'tell it like it is' and then the subsequent reaction of other people somehow misinterpreting that as automatically meaning that person being 100% rude and having 0% tact ALL of the time.

It's a self perpetuating meme now with the likes of Luisa and a convenient default fall back to slate her for sometimes the most minor of infractions.

Yes she is confrontational but this is a million miles removed from the automatic 'go to' opinion of many that this equates to them having no social graces at all, which of course, is entirely false.

You have summed up perfectly what I was trying to put across badly

I made a similar point on the episode thread last night. Its an irritating modern trend that as far as I can see first surfaced with those horrendous guests who would appear on US shows like Ricki Lake. No self awareness, no sense of shame or dignity. And no real intelligence. They were wheeled out for people to point and laugh at then. With the rise of reality TV such 'characters' have become more and more common and of course more desired by the producers of such shows as BB because the sort of behavior that would lead to you being mostly rejected by your peers in the real world provide great entertainment (depending on your view point) when put under the glare of television cameras.

Like you say though its rare to meet anyone like this in real life. Because to just go around being self so absorbed and unable to filter anything you say or engage your brain before speaking is at best downright ignorant and at worst sign of a potential mental health problem.

When it comes to Luisa I think she is very sly and conscious of what she is doing. I am quite sure she is a spoilt, obnoxious and narcissistic brat but she is playing up to it even more because she knows what TV wants. Her version is almost a caricature right down to the vacuous empty slogan clothing she wears which is a classic sign of this type.

But for all her protestations of 'being real' and 'honest' its all bluster. I'm not sure quite how successful she is in real life but she's obviously gotten somewhere and is intelligent despite the baby talk etc. And there's no way she would be if she was really so bloody minded and belligerent as she portrays herself. Especially in business. That stuff just doesn't wash. Its a grandstanding hip hop song fantasy.

I do wonder about whether the younger people who watch all this stuff will be affected by it though. Lets hope not otherwise the worlds going to get even more obnoxious and anti social in years to come.

Ahahaha, they say that the truth can hurt

well I'm just being honest and I say it as it is, is typical bully response to defend their behaviour.

Do you think she is a bully?

Good observation, particularly in this case.

i do so agree

Luisa is by nature a nice person unless somebody rattles her cage, then she doesn't hold back. In contrast to Gina Rio who was a ghastly individual who would make snidey remarks and instigate arguments.

It's just an excuse to be rude and offensive. You can be 'real' and 'honest' without being loud mouthed and insulting.

Shhh- how DARE you suggest such a thing.

She is the Devil/ evil incarnate/ the worst person in the world (someone actually wrote that on here I kid you not) etc etc..

She should be hung drawn and quartered, and her head displayed on a spike on London Brige as a warning to us all.

She's just one of those ghastly types that have lots of opinions and feel the need to air them at every opportunity.

People who play the "just being honest" card are just using it as an excuse to be rude and unpleasant.

If you said some people I would agree with you.

Well put. Luisa is not just some simple bully going around being vicious then saying 'I was just being honest' - it is partly true, she will defend her right to an opinion and thinks anyone can say what they like about her (to an extent, there may have been occasions where she hypocritical about this, I'm sure someone will remind me) but in general I think she believes everyone should be able to say what they like and if you cry about it, grow a pair. Is that the way a bully thinks? Not exactly. She's more of an Ayn Rand (ugh) Be strong or get crushed' mindset I think.

Anyway, her claims to honesty aren't a tired trick she always falls back on to cover bullying, is my point. We've only ever seen her in the context of two 'last man standing' reality GAME shows - and I think she treats it just like a game. She enjoys it, and thinks 'if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen'.

In reality, running any sort of business, she can't be so one-dimensional or aggressive or 'couldn't give a crap. I recall from The Apprentice she showed good people skills, she reads people really well, both for weak spots, or to win sales tasks. But put her in a Hunger Games situation and she'll turn her skills to taking down the opposition. In other social situations, who knows? Not me.

It's a front. People who are basically insecure put on a belligerant front. Luisa crumbles when confronted.

You're right. People just use the "just being honest" excuse to be rude and obnoxious to people and it's my pet hate.