Originally Posted by mrs schumacher:
“Nothing sexist about calling a group of witches a coven. Statement of fact. And covens can be male or female”
I challenge you to find any forum posts, ever, in which a group of men, however bitchy, are described as a coven of witches. It is the ultimate misogynistic cliche, and you know perfectly well it is only ever used to attack groups of women.
Originally Posted by AMS13:
“Think the lawyers are going to have an easy time making a case for Jim and how he has been portrayed on BBOTS, starting with Linda's exit interview.”
Please tell you you don't think there is going to be a court case because a housemate might think he was unfairly described on a reality tv show.
Originally Posted by Aynuck:
“Linda Nolan was claiming that the highlights only showed her bitterness and antagonism toward Jim and the so called experts agreed and both stated that Jim's performance in the house is all some kind of 'nice guy' act for the cameras and that he doesn't deserve to win the show or even remain in the house.
If Linda was really the engaging friendly and cheerful 'Momma Lin' who didn't deserve to be evicted that she claimed to be why was this not shown at all?”
Because Ch 5 era BB is very ruthlessly edited for chosen 'stories'. No one, surely, believes that during her entire stay in the house Casey has not had a single conversation that was not to or about Lee, and her future or lack of it with him. Obviously she is a popular housemate and has had loads of conversations with all of them. Why were they never shown? Because her 'story' from day one has been 'romance with Lee/ triangle with Lee'. Nothing else has ever been, or will ever be, shown.
Linda got things far worse, because he chosen story, again from day one, was 'fights with Jim'. He did not get this at all: endlessly kindly conversations with other housemates have been shown, and a special all-house task was even invented purely to spotlight him having kindly conversations with all of them. He has been edited as a fully rounded character, and we know pretty well who he likes spending time with, what they talk about, what they like about him and vice versa. None of this for linda at all: we have seen loads of conversations about neutral, pleasant topics between Jim and Dappy, Jim and Lee; but none at all, ever, between Linda and Sam, Linda and Casey, Linda and Lee. Who knew, until he said so after her eviction, that Lee 'always got on really well with Linda; I really liked her' because they were fellow musicians and had a common interest? Amount of footage showing that relationship: 0 seconds. Amount of footage in the highlights of Linda and Dappy talking about music (as was shown on the live feed): 0 seconds. Even amount of footage of Linda over-mothering Ollie - a criticism he made, but not a nasty one: 0 seconds. They just had no interest in showing Linda being friendly or affectionate or motherly or interested or amused or anything positive at all: as soon as she stopped talking about or to Jim, she was instantly cut out of the edit.
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“If this is really the case the producers guaranteed a Jim Davidson win or at least top three finish and Linda was treated very badly indeed.”
Yes of course. I don't suppose Linda would have done a whole lot better; she was not, as far as we can see, a bundle of wit and energy; her rows with Jim would always have played badly. But it was a horrible betrayal to bring her in just as part of Jim's story, then just throw her to the wolves to make that story stronger. Shame on them for messing with peoples' lives like that. Linda had no idea, when she was a well-liked housemate, what her image outside the house was; well she knows now, having seen a small fraction of the truly evil abuse on unmoderated places like facebook and twitter.
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“It would appear that the BB producers are panicking because they may have handed this years BB crown to their least desirable option, someone who is older, coming to the end of their career and regarded by many as sexist, homophobic, racist, un-PC blah blah blah.”
I think the opposite. There is no advantage at all to them in someone winning who is signed to a rival channel. I think they have hopes that Jim will do some work for them in the future.
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“even though there were no reports of her receiving medical treatment or being removed from the house and given counseling, and no mention of it by any other HM at the time.”
They almost never mention medical treatment received by housemates, for obvious reasons.
Originally Posted by Heartache:
“IF Linda did self harm, it could have explained what we saw on BBOTS last night, with them crawling all over Linda,buttering her up, as they clearly failed in their duty of care for a HM. Even worse if that Annie Lennox wannabee is responsible for the pysche evaluation of people going into the house.”
Something along those lines, though it could have been more kindly put. They may very well belatedly realize that they failed to look after Linda, even though they knew she was on medication for depression and often seemed depressed and obsessive in the house. It would not be the first time they have tried to make some kind of token amends to a housemate who has emerged to an unexpectedly hellish world of ridicule and abuse after BB. Giving a very ill looking Sree the 'most entertaining housemate' award comes to mind; signing up a disturbingly wired and manic Mark to BOTS, ditto. So giving Linda a supportive day on a spin off programme may have been a gesture of apology.
Originally Posted by Jo March:
“Fragile? I didn't see any fragility..(she's a hard faced madam).she just sat there, basking listening to the others, apart from that short interjection from Iain,tearing Jim to pieces.
Grossly unfair and totally out of order!”
What fragility would you expect to see? Her curled in a foetal postion, rocking backwards and forwards?
I have an issue with the endlessly repeated words 'hard faced' or 'sour faced' because imo people are (perhaps unknowingly) abusing her for her actual FACE. No one smiles all the time, and we all have a characteristic expression when not smiling. For the young and smooth skinned, this is not an issue; a lot of older people find to their regret that as soon as they stop smiling, their face looks naturally glum and grumpy. (Jim is surely worse in that respect; but people love him, so it is fine for him to look grumpy). Linda was constantly reviled for looking 'sour' or 'hard' when she was doing nothing more than listening neutrally to a conversation; often when she actually joined in, she was obviously perfectly all right.
What it is to have a lovely perky face that always looks nice.