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Veri
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“That's a very good and thoughtful post OP. A good read with some very valid points.

I know this is very simplistic to say though but ...........perhaps she simply doesn't like him. I don't like him - I've been challenged on it (on here) and I sometimes cannot find a way to express it. I think it's his whole mean spirited, cruel, spiteful demeanour - onstage and in interviews that I don't like. Perhaps she just doesn't like him.”

A problem with the OP's conjectures, imo, is that they assume that Linda's attitude towards Jim in CBB is completely out of line with how he's been in CBB, so that a big explanation from the past is needed: something like "she sees him as the embodiment of her darkest times".

I don't think that's so. Jim Davidson's been nasty enough for long enough that disliking him is not something that needs a big explanation. Linda has more reasons to dislike him than most, and some of them are personal, but that doesn't mean she sees him in such grand, symbolic terms. (The past would, however, make it easier for him to push her buttons and wind her up.)

So a conjecture like in the OP also needs Jim to have behaved well in CBB, so that Linda's reactions can be so unreasonable as to need the big explanation. I don't think he has. Linda and Jim were getting along at first, and then (she said) "the comments started". I find that very credible, given what I've seen of him and his tactics in CBB.
Pollyusa
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by Veri:
“A problem with the OP's conjectures, imo, is that they assume that Linda's attitude towards Jim in CBB is completely out of line with how he's been in CBB, so that a big explanation from the past is needed: something like "she sees him as the embodiment of her darkest times".

I don't think that's so. Jim Davidson's been nasty enough for long enough that disliking him is not something that needs a big explanation. Linda has more reasons to dislike him than most, and some of them are personal, but that doesn't mean she sees him in such grand, symbolic terms. (The past would, however, make it easier for him to push her buttons and wind her up.)

So a conjecture like in the OP also needs Jim to have behaved well in CBB, so that Linda's reactions can be so unreasonable as to need the big explanation. I don't think he has. Linda and Jim were getting along at first, and then (she said) "the comments started". I find that very credible, given what I've seen of him and his tactics in CBB.”

Jim plays the put upon man and paints Linda as a shrew. He had a lot of help from the BB producers.

Here is an example of ....the tea towel horror. @ about 3 minutes


Linda: "You again?"
Jim: "Sorry darling, I've been doing the washing up. What do you expect me to do, it was the only thing we had."
Linda: "Is there no more?"
Jim: "One more"
Linda: "Oh bless you. I'll see if there's any in that bathroom"

Jim waits here for Linda to leave the room. She goes into the bathroom to fetch another towel, then Jim starts the poor, poor Jim routine.

Jim : "I got the tea towel wet cause I've washed up all the pots and pans and plates. What a bad boy am I"
hackney gal
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by HonestLee:
“Purely conjecture..

but..

I think for Linda Jim is symbolic of her and her familys tough times and although he has done things personally to her in the past I think it's more what she feels he represents than the actual 'doing' on his part

Ok so what DO WE KNOW about their past?

1. Jim was a mate of Frank Carson and would've been quite present and probably vocal through the shame and probable ostracisation of Lindas Husband due to the much talked about court case and resulting prosecution

2. Jim - pissed up - once jibed The Nolans from the wings of some stage (I take it by '16 year old sister she meant Colleen who around that age joined her Sisters in the group)

Where was Jim when she was 'standing by her man' on what probably felt like a sinking ship?

He was going from strength to strength, Generation Game - Big Break - prime-time weekend tv slots

What were 'The Nolans' going through at this time?

They were a joke in the industry(sorry Nolan fans) but they came in with a Disco anthem just as Disco breathed its last breath under the foot of the harder-edged New Wave, one of The Skids was alleged to have spat on their Dressing Room door at Top Of The Pops (vehemently denied later by band member Richard Jobson) but it was what they represented at 'that time' that was at odds with the cultural shift more than them as individuals - even if rumours are correct that Linda was a bit of a pain in the arse in the trade too

But being essentially just eye-candy bubblegum Pop their time in the sun was brief and their fall from the 'heights of success' would I'm sure have been both painful and humiliating especially with the 'new' baying for 'their brand of entertainments' blood

I think Linda puts it all on Jim

When you feel 'wronged' the thought of anyone who you don't feel deserves their breaks is amplified

Jim by his own admission was a drinker and an arsehole back then, to see him doing so well would've annoyed her I'm sure, especially with his attachment to her hubbys history

Talking of her Hubby.. it's just common sense that Jim would've featured plenty in those late pillow 'pep-up' talks between he and Linda, I'm sure there were a million bonding 'I know you're not a thief's and 'f*** Jim Davidson's between them

Maybe he carried that to the grave and she can't undo it for fear of failing him?

Maybe she knows deep down it's daft but has to keep up it out of loyalty?

Maybe letting it go is too hard for her as to her it might feel like letting go of yet another part of him and the things that 'were' in their world? death is difficult

Jim had a bad rep

SHE had a bad rep too

They should both know better than to operate from rumour so if it's merely the FC dressing room thing + the pissed up jibing + the rep then surely there's room for reconciliation, I'm sure if she'd have taken 1 step to Jim he'd have taken 2 towards her, he's almost made a living out of being judged so I'm sure her digs only dumped her - for him - in a big room with a 'lot' of people and pulled the side of him out that any of us would want to keep locked giving weight to her narrative of him

Just the way she did the whole 'Don't try to be a friend' thing with Jim sounded to me like 'you'll not take the hate away, you'll not take THAT too'

So basically that's my theory, I think she sees him as the embodiment of her darkest times, the fact she didn't feel convicted enough to lay her cards on the table and tell him straight tells me she knows that her gripes of 'him specifically wouldn't carry enough weight to warrant her disdain of him

I wish her well though, she's been through an awful lot and I'm sure Jim would wholeheartedly say the same, we've all done/said something regrettable when p'd up, he's held his hands up and I hope she can too

thoughts?”



The reason that she doesn't like Jim DAVIDSON is obvious - he knows too much about her and her lot

They went from variety to disco to rival another group going in this direction at the time

Ruthless - they hounded all that dared to dare in the business

Usually, getting others to do their dirty work so their reputation was not a good one

They turned up at rivals gigs on a regular basis to interrogate - ask Buck's Fizz!

The business ( and jim Davidson) would know the real story

Simples!
wonkeydonkey
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by Stardust365:
“ Linda wasn't even talented in the Nolans and had nothing really to offer the entertainment world in my opinion.”

I could never stand the Nolans music. But there is no getting round the fact that Linda went on to have a very long and successful solo career, so that really can't be true.


Originally Posted by Veri:
“A Linda and Jim were getting along at first, and then (she said) "the comments started". I find that very credible, given what I've seen of him and his tactics in CBB.”

I thought that was an interesting comment; we never saw anything of why they first fell out in the house, and wonder what 'the comments' were.

Having said that, I thought Jim's apology after the Frank Carson comment was sincere, and there is something dismaying about her implacable insistence that apologies cannot undo what has been said. Which brings me back to the issue of depression; since it is very characteristic of people with depression that they can become fixated on highly negative incidents from their past, even from their childhood or schooldays.

I did think BB was deliberately unkind on Friday in deliberately, and knowing perfectly well that Linda was emotionally fragile and about to have an awful eviction, setting up a task in which Jim was the star and everyone else put under his control. I don't blame her for a second for refusing to sit cosily on the sofa and confide her personal problems to him.
Veri
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“...
I thought that was an interesting comment; we never saw anything of why they first fell out in the house, and wonder what 'the comments' were.

Having said that, I thought Jim's apology after the Frank Carson comment was sincere, and there is something dismaying about her implacable insistence that apologies cannot undo what has been said. Which brings me back to the issue of depression; since it is very characteristic of people with depression that they can become fixated on highly negative incidents from their past, even from their childhood or schooldays.”

Jim's behaviour seems to follow a pattern:

* Make a provoking, unkind, patronising, or sarcastic remark.

* When the person reacts, act like he can't imagine what could have caused it (he even tried that re the dressing room comment), or try to put the person on the back foot by making they say exactly what he did. (We saw Lee try the same sort of move with Jasmine.)

* Withdraw: throw up his hands, leave the room, say he's sick of it, whatever.

* Apologise, do/say something nice, offer advice or "therapy".

If the apologies are genuine, which is doubtful, they're not genuine in a way that means he stops doing it.

Quote:
“I did think BB was deliberately unkind on Friday in deliberately, and knowing perfectly well that Linda was emotionally fragile and about to have an awful eviction, setting up a task in which Jim was the star and everyone else put under his control. I don't blame her for a second for refusing to sit cosily on the sofa and confide her personal problems to him.”

I agree and don't blame her either.

(I wish neither of them had been in this CBB though.)
hackney gal
26-01-2014
Solo career?

I believe she left encouraged by her husband

Next she was in the tabloids topless with pause) her hubby topless too

Sadly they all turned on each other - with her being referred to as 'the other girl' when they were asked why she left

Shame when that happens

What they done to the oldest sisters ( not including them in a reunion tour ) was ruthless but not surprising

The sisters could have been doing with the money

Again, when asked why the two older sisters were not included one referred to them as 'the other girls' not sisters - declaring that they were 'too old'

I guess it meant less money if the others were included

One had a cleaning job at the time and was struggling

So you see declaring that jim Davidson was vile BEFORE going into the house and saying ' listen I don't want to influence you girls but jim is vile' on WEEK ONE was a piece of cake

Sigh - to be a housemate you have got to be Of dubious origin
yogacats
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Jim's behaviour seems to follow a pattern:

* Make a provoking, unkind, patronising, or sarcastic remark.

* When the person reacts, act like he can't imagine what could have caused it (he even tried that re the dressing room comment), or try to put the person on the back foot by making they say exactly what he did. (We saw Lee try the same sort of move with Jasmine.)

* Withdraw: throw up his hands, leave the room, say he's sick of it, whatever.

* Apologise, do/say something nice, offer advice or "therapy".

If the apologies are genuine, which is doubtful, they're not genuine in a way that means he stops doing it.



I agree and don't blame her either.

(I wish neither of them had been in this CBB though.)”



Goodness, what a skewed version of actual events. Are you sure you are watching the same show as the rest of us. (Isn't it amazing how people's dislike of a certain person blinds them to actual events - and they then twist the facts to suit their agenda.)
Veri
26-01-2014
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Goodness, what a skewed version of actual events. Are you sure you are watching the same show as the rest of us. (Isn't it amazing how people's dislike of a certain person blinds them to actual events - and they then twist the facts to suit their agenda.)”

It's certainly amazing that what people's dislike of Linda blinds them too.
ABCZYX
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It's certainly amazing that what people's dislike of Linda blinds them too.”

It's also amazing what people's like of Jim blinds them too as well.
Penny Crayon
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Goodness, what a skewed version of actual events. Are you sure you are watching the same show as the rest of us. (Isn't it amazing how people's dislike of a certain person blinds them to actual events - and they then twist the facts to suit their agenda.)”

Well it's funny cos that's exactly how I saw it too.
jaq7uk
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by puppetangel:
“I think anyone in life who crosses her, she'll focus all her attention on them and all grief and target them. Just so happened to be Jim on there...the rest of the house even Luisa have changed since she's gone....Luisa and Jim are able to have a conversation and discuss how they feel whereas Linda would jump in and start shouting sexist and stop conversations....she wanted to control the agenda...she turned on Dappy and wouldnt forgive him for nominating her when its a game and he was really sorry.


If he'd said something about Coleen then coleen would have said something whilst Linda was in the house to defend her, if it was as simple as that Linda would have said so in the house, in the VT going in she talked about getting him thrown out of a nightclub. Everything she's said since she came out of the house I dont believe.”


yes i noticed that with dappy. he had no reason to apologise as entitled to nominate who he wants. yet was been nice. and she said ''well, sorry just doesnt cut it''!

and wen luisa was talking about playing with her daughter being a single mum, and jim asked does she miss having a bloke in her life... then linda totally interrupted the conversation (which was none of her business) and said... why do u have to say that.. she was talking about playing with her daughter blah blah. i bet jim felt he couldnt ask a question without her jumping down his throat

he was in no way perfect niggling at her but it was generally always linda who snapped back. she should have ignored it.

i found it quite disturbing her obsession and hatred towards jim. very unhealthy

maybe he turned her down years ago or had a fling ha ha
jaq7uk
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by JJ69:
“I think once you cross a Nolan that's it for life...you are on their hit list and nothing you do will take you off it. Ask Shane Ritchie!!!”

lol. ha ha re ''hit list''. but you are right.

colleen nolan droaned on about shane ritchie for years.

also i have a friend who works in the tv business who has met colleen nolan and she is a nasty piece of work
Essex Angel*
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by jazzyjazzy:
“On another thread someone read a piece by Coleen where she said the incident in the wings of the stage was a drunk JD asking Shane Richie which Nolan he was sleeping with (or a similar words)”

Linda said "in front of my 16 year old sister," if the in front of my 16 year old sister was Coleen, Shane was only 17 and not famous then.
Sun Tzu.
27-01-2014
Linda let the Jim thing completely consume her. I am amazed at how bitter she is as a person. It happened over 20 years ago ffs. How can she not just let it go and remain civil at least or even try and build a bridge.

It always looked like Jim was trying to build the bridge with her. She was so focused on hating him as she thought that is what the people watching would want.

If any plan has backfired big time, it is the Linda Nolan plan of CBB 2014. Would never just let it go and kept at it right to the end, even her interview was fiery and full of hatred for Jim.
Essex Angel*
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by jazzyjazzy:
“On another thread someone read a piece by Coleen where she said the incident in the wings of the stage was a drunk JD asking Shane Richie which Nolan he was sleeping with (or a similar words)”



Originally Posted by Essex Angel*:
“Linda said "in front of my 16 year old sister," if the in front of my 16 year old sister was Coleen, Shane was only 17 and not famous then.”

ETA: Just read a bit of Bernie Nolan's book, Coleen started going out with Shane 1986, Coleen would have been 21
Heartache
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by HectorMcClure:
“I think you are spot on with a lot of your points OP. I suspect Jim was very involved in the process leading up to her husband being prosecuted.

It sounds like her husband must have had some behind the scenes role in showbiz. That came to an end when he was caught stealing. His reputation was ruined.

Instead of blaming the person who committed the crime she blames the people who caught him. I suspect she also privately shows a similar degree of hatred towards Frank Carson.”


Linda's husband was her manager, money that had been collected for charity had been going missing, the Police were called and they set up a camera in Frank Carson's dressing room. Linda's husband was caught on film taking money out of FC's wallet, and subsequetly arrested and charged.
UKNikey
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by JJ69:
“I think once you cross a Nolan that's it for life...you are on their hit list and nothing you do will take you off it. Ask Shane Ritchie!!!”

Yeh, she's like a bulldog and won't let go of her pain with that one.
Doesn't help calling your son Shane Richie Junior though LOL

Originally Posted by jaq7uk:
“lol. ha ha re ''hit list''. but you are right.

colleen nolan droaned on about shane ritchie for years.

also i have a friend who works in the tv business who has met colleen nolan and she is a nasty piece of work”

Yeh, she's such a sour faced one.


They have no shame selling their stories to the gutter press either.

Very low family.
NorfolkPoppy
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by HonestLee:
“Purely conjecture..

but..

I think for Linda Jim is symbolic of her and her familys tough times and although he has done things personally to her in the past I think it's more what she feels he represents than the actual 'doing' on his part

Ok so what DO WE KNOW about their past?

1. Jim was a mate of Frank Carson and would've been quite present and probably vocal through the shame and probable ostracisation of Lindas Husband due to the much talked about court case and resulting prosecution

2. Jim - pissed up - once jibed The Nolans from the wings of some stage (I take it by '16 year old sister she meant Colleen who around that age joined her Sisters in the group)

Where was Jim when she was 'standing by her man' on what probably felt like a sinking ship?

He was going from strength to strength, Generation Game - Big Break - prime-time weekend tv slots

What were 'The Nolans' going through at this time?

They were a joke in the industry(sorry Nolan fans) but they came in with a Disco anthem just as Disco breathed its last breath under the foot of the harder-edged New Wave, one of The Skids was alleged to have spat on their Dressing Room door at Top Of The Pops (vehemently denied later by band member Richard Jobson) but it was what they represented at 'that time' that was at odds with the cultural shift more than them as individuals - even if rumours are correct that Linda was a bit of a pain in the arse in the trade too

But being essentially just eye-candy bubblegum Pop their time in the sun was brief and their fall from the 'heights of success' would I'm sure have been both painful and humiliating especially with the 'new' baying for 'their brand of entertainments' blood

I think Linda puts it all on Jim

When you feel 'wronged' the thought of anyone who you don't feel deserves their breaks is amplified

Jim by his own admission was a drinker and an arsehole back then, to see him doing so well would've annoyed her I'm sure, especially with his attachment to her hubbys history

Talking of her Hubby.. it's just common sense that Jim would've featured plenty in those late pillow 'pep-up' talks between he and Linda, I'm sure there were a million bonding 'I know you're not a thief's and 'f*** Jim Davidson's between them

Maybe he carried that to the grave and she can't undo it for fear of failing him?

Maybe she knows deep down it's daft but has to keep up it out of loyalty?

Maybe letting it go is too hard for her as to her it might feel like letting go of yet another part of him and the things that 'were' in their world? death is difficult

Jim had a bad rep

SHE had a bad rep too

They should both know better than to operate from rumour so if it's merely the FC dressing room thing + the pissed up jibing + the rep then surely there's room for reconciliation, I'm sure if she'd have taken 1 step to Jim he'd have taken 2 towards her, he's almost made a living out of being judged so I'm sure her digs only dumped her - for him - in a big room with a 'lot' of people and pulled the side of him out that any of us would want to keep locked giving weight to her narrative of him

Just the way she did the whole 'Don't try to be a friend' thing with Jim sounded to me like 'you'll not take the hate away, you'll not take THAT too'

So basically that's my theory, I think she sees him as the embodiment of her darkest times, the fact she didn't feel convicted enough to lay her cards on the table and tell him straight tells me she knows that her gripes of 'him specifically wouldn't carry enough weight to warrant her disdain of him

I wish her well though, she's been through an awful lot and I'm sure Jim would wholeheartedly say the same, we've all done/said something regrettable when p'd up, he's held his hands up and I hope she can too

thoughts?”

I've just had a terrible case of deja vue
HectorMcClure
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Heartache:
“Linda's husband was her manager, money that had been collected for charity had been going missing, the Police were called and they set up a camera in Frank Carson's dressing room. Linda's husband was caught on film taking money out of FC's wallet, and subsequetly arrested and charged.”

It was actually charity money he stole?

My goodness, just how low can you go...
Fanntastik
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Goodness, what a skewed version of actual events. Are you sure you are watching the same show as the rest of us. (Isn't it amazing how people's dislike of a certain person blinds them to actual events - and they then twist the facts to suit their agenda.)”

I agree with Veri. I've noticed that pattern in Jim's behaviour too.

I guess anybody that doesn't agree with your point of view is watching a different show

Also, very interesting post by OP. Enjoyed reading it
UKNikey
27-01-2014
If a camera had been set up to catch whoever it was, then It wasn't "Only twenty quid".
fredster
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I could never stand the Nolans music. But there is no getting round the fact that Linda went on to have a very long and successful solo career, so that really can't be true.




I thought that was an interesting comment; we never saw anything of why they first fell out in the house, and wonder what 'the comments' were.

Having said that, I thought Jim's apology after the Frank Carson comment was sincere, and there is something dismaying about her implacable insistence that apologies cannot undo what has been said. Which brings me back to the issue of depression; since it is very characteristic of people with depression that they can become fixated on highly negative incidents from their past, even from their childhood or schooldays.

I did think BB was deliberately unkind on Friday in deliberately, and knowing perfectly well that Linda was emotionally fragile and about to have an awful eviction, setting up a task in which Jim was the star and everyone else put under his control. I don't blame her for a second for refusing to sit cosily on the sofa and confide her personal problems to him.”

What did Linda's husband steal and from whom? I have just seen the answer!
HectorMcClure
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by fredster:
“What did Linda's husband steal and from whom? I have just seen the answer!”

He stole charity money. The lowest of the low.

Originally Posted by Heartache:
“Linda's husband was her manager, money that had been collected for charity had been going missing, the Police were called and they set up a camera in Frank Carson's dressing room. Linda's husband was caught on film taking money out of FC's wallet, and subsequetly arrested and charged.”

wigwag46
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by HonestLee:
“Purely conjecture..

but..

I think for Linda Jim is symbolic of her and her familys tough times and although he has done things personally to her in the past I think it's more what she feels he represents than the actual 'doing' on his part

Ok so what DO WE KNOW about their past?

1. Jim was a mate of Frank Carson and would've been quite present and probably vocal through the shame and probable ostracisation of Lindas Husband due to the much talked about court case and resulting prosecution

2. Jim - pissed up - once jibed The Nolans from the wings of some stage (I take it by '16 year old sister she meant Colleen who around that age joined her Sisters in the group)

Where was Jim when she was 'standing by her man' on what probably felt like a sinking ship?

He was going from strength to strength, Generation Game - Big Break - prime-time weekend tv slots

What were 'The Nolans' going through at this time?

They were a joke in the industry(sorry Nolan fans) but they came in with a Disco anthem just as Disco breathed its last breath under the foot of the harder-edged New Wave, one of The Skids was alleged to have spat on their Dressing Room door at Top Of The Pops (vehemently denied later by band member Richard Jobson) but it was what they represented at 'that time' that was at odds with the cultural shift more than them as individuals - even if rumours are correct that Linda was a bit of a pain in the arse in the trade too

But being essentially just eye-candy bubblegum Pop their time in the sun was brief and their fall from the 'heights of success' would I'm sure have been both painful and humiliating especially with the 'new' baying for 'their brand of entertainments' blood

I think Linda puts it all on Jim

When you feel 'wronged' the thought of anyone who you don't feel deserves their breaks is amplified

Jim by his own admission was a drinker and an arsehole back then, to see him doing so well would've annoyed her I'm sure, especially with his attachment to her hubbys history

Talking of her Hubby.. it's just common sense that Jim would've featured plenty in those late pillow 'pep-up' talks between he and Linda, I'm sure there were a million bonding 'I know you're not a thief's and 'f*** Jim Davidson's between them

Maybe he carried that to the grave and she can't undo it for fear of failing him?

Maybe she knows deep down it's daft but has to keep up it out of loyalty?

Maybe letting it go is too hard for her as to her it might feel like letting go of yet another part of him and the things that 'were' in their world? death is difficult

Jim had a bad rep

SHE had a bad rep too

They should both know better than to operate from rumour so if it's merely the FC dressing room thing + the pissed up jibing + the rep then surely there's room for reconciliation, I'm sure if she'd have taken 1 step to Jim he'd have taken 2 towards her, he's almost made a living out of being judged so I'm sure her digs only dumped her - for him - in a big room with a 'lot' of people and pulled the side of him out that any of us would want to keep locked giving weight to her narrative of him

Just the way she did the whole 'Don't try to be a friend' thing with Jim sounded to me like 'you'll not take the hate away, you'll not take THAT too'

So basically that's my theory, I think she sees him as the embodiment of her darkest times, the fact she didn't feel convicted enough to lay her cards on the table and tell him straight tells me she knows that her gripes of 'him specifically wouldn't carry enough weight to warrant her disdain of him

I wish her well though, she's been through an awful lot and I'm sure Jim would wholeheartedly say the same, we've all done/said something regrettable when p'd up, he's held his hands up and I hope she can too

thoughts?”

Great post and I think you have it spot on. There is some deep rooted hatred in there which she needs to get rid of or it will destroy her. I think there may be some issue around children and the fact that she is going to foster children in emergency situations. I hope she does get help from somewhere as it's not nice to see a woman of a certain age behaving in such a venomous way. What's gone is gone and can't be changed but the future can!
HectorMcClure
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I could never stand the Nolans music. But there is no getting round the fact that Linda went on to have a very long and successful solo career, so that really can't be true.”

I'm looking at her wikipedia page and I see no evidence of this very long and successful solo career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Nolan

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I thought that was an interesting comment; we never saw anything of why they first fell out in the house, and wonder what 'the comments' were.”

The first sign of Linda having issues with Jim was in her VT. She said she didn't like him during that. She also apparently did an interview outside the house where she said she held a grudge against Jim because of an incident which happened between Jim and her husband over 20 years ago. We are led to believe the incident was related to the theft in Frank Carson's dressing room.

The first sign of her bittnerness towards Jim whilst in the house was when she was sitting in the bedroom, surrounded by several housemates, and she maliciously shouted Jim over to tell him she doesn't like him, in front of everyone. Her attacks on Jim became even more prevalent and malicious from then onwards.

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Having said that, I thought Jim's apology after the Frank Carson comment was sincere, and there is something dismaying about her implacable insistence that apologies cannot undo what has been said. Which brings me back to the issue of depression; since it is very characteristic of people with depression that they can become fixated on highly negative incidents from their past, even from their childhood or schooldays.”

I think Jim was quite right to bring up Frank Carson's dressing room as it explains the hatred she has for him. The public and the housemates needed to know exactly why she was so hateful towards him. There's no doubt in my mind that her issues with Jim go right back to that incident.

Her husband was caught stealing charity money from Frank Carson's dressing room. Jim and Frank were very close friends. Their paths would have regularly crossed through their line of work and I suspect Jim was probably present when this was going on.

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I did think BB was deliberately unkind on Friday in deliberately, and knowing perfectly well that Linda was emotionally fragile and about to have an awful eviction, setting up a task in which Jim was the star and everyone else put under his control. I don't blame her for a second for refusing to sit cosily on the sofa and confide her personal problems to him.”

You must be joking, after everything Jim had to suffer. That woman did everything in her power to ostracize Jim throughout the series.

Big Brother set up a task the day before when they knew Sam and Ollie would side with Linda over Jim due to the influence she had over them. At one moment it looked as if Ollie would side with Jim but Linda gave him a stare and made a comment and he quickly jumped over to the other side of the fence.

Interesting that since she's left, the house has never been happier and a few of them have commented on that. Luisa has now been more complimentary towards Jim and has said she was influenced by Linda when she was in the house.

Ollie has also said something along those lines. It's like a weight has been lifted off their shoulders. Linda had such a negative influence in that house. She is a horrible and malicious woman. A nasty piece of work.
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