Jason seems to have taken a dislike to both Kyran and Gareth and that is reflected in the low scores and disparaging coments he gives them, he disliked Todd as well but now Todd has gone I wonder who will be next on his hit list!

Jason is marking from a dancing point of view and tbh I agree with his comments. Gareth is as stiff as a board and lacks suppleness and musicality and Kyran relies on the big lifts he is good at but lacks musicality and dance skills. So IMO it's not a personal dislike just that they are the weakest "dancers" there although Kyran certainly is one of the best technical skaters.

I agree. Kyran is very good at the basic skating skills but lacks somewhat in terms of presentation and performance, if he could improve in that area then he would be even better and I'm sure that Jason would mark him accordingly.

That said, I hope Gareth gets a slightly higher mark than last week... mainly in the hope that his sympathy votes will then decrease enough for him to be eliminated.

Kyran may not be a dancer as such but I do think he's a good performer & good fun to watch. He's more than just a good technical skater - far more interesting than the likes of Gareth & Gary Lucy.

Will be interesting to see how he & Nina get on tonight but I think that Rock n Roll might suit him compared to a more traditional dance style.

As for Jason - perhaps this week it will be Beth's turn again to feel his wrath. He gave her a good score & good marks last week so probably too much to ask for him to be pleasant to her 2 weeks running.

Schofe tweeted saying it was all about the Dance tonight. Good chance that the knives again will be out for Gareth and Kyran. If that's the case could be some surprises at the bottom

Jason can't award high marks for acting, dancing , or emotional content when there is none in the routine. He's marking what he's getting. Thats not necessarily the contestants fault though. Kyran can produce an entertaining dance number - he did it on his series, and he has in his own shows. He just hasn't been given any story or dance to perform. Gareth has had slightly more to work with, but hasn't acted his at all, and seems focused entirely on not falling over.

Thats happening to others too, as the issuing of better routines reflects the desired result, whats seen as needed for the show, and that performer's unique skills. Hayley and Ray got strong dance routines to put them back in contention last week. Neither routine had much difficulty. Beth got something that used her gymn skills - and her big move was hyped as professional moves - when most of the other top tricks, done by the other females who can do them, have been too - that put her back in contention. Suzanne got a throw jump, with zero hype, that exploited her ability to do tricks Hayley and Zaraah can't do. They obviously didn't want her topping the leaderboard again, and gave her a less complete routine - with a trick that demanded too much attention.

There seems to be an ordering of contestants. Desired contenders who may, or may not, get a good routine depending on whas needed, or can be developed for them that week. Some are more able than others, and may get more difficult things to do than others - even when its not in their interests. There's also people who are wanted in the competition, and get inflated marks for less content. And there's people who get dull stuff because no one wants to keep them in that much - even if a couple of them could do routines some better favoured people couldn't.

Thats already showing in the judges comments. Robin's strange comments to Suzanne after her first skate - about not trying too difficult tricks - couldn't be read as much else than a commentary on the choregraphy she was in danger of getting. And Jason's comments on Kyran could only be read as a criticism of the choregraphy he was given - as, indeed, was Karen's pointing out that he could only do what he was given. She didn't even try to defend the choregraphy, noted Jason was right about what wasn't in it. but praised Kyran for doing all he had been asked to.

I think Gareth has put in good performances and made the best of the routines he has been given.
He will never come up to Rays standards who in my opinion is streets ahead of the others but can't take to him somehow. . Jason is very prejudiced against Gareth for some unknown reason, just wish. He would be fair with his marking instead of showing favouritism

As I have stated previously Jason is judging from a dance perspective and I'm afraid that Gareth and Kyran are not by any stretch of the imagination dancers! Gareth is stiff as a board and Kyran lacks musicality. So Jason's marks are based on that and therefore totally understandable. Kyran and to a lesser extent a Gareth will always score better with the skating judges for that reason. Jason is not showing favouritism just marking on dance ability!

To be fair the show is called DANCING on Ice and therefore it would be logical for those who can DANCE on ice to score higher surely - especially when marked by a judge scoring from a dance perspective?

Totally agree with you

I completely agree with you. Gareth is awful and Kyran now looks like a big lumbering carthorse in comparison to Ray. But Marionette is a big fan of GG and because Jason is marking him lower than she believes he deserves, she thinks he is biased against him. Sad really.

Indeed.

Jason's more questionable area is Sam who he is now giving high marks too for nothing thats very convincing or entertaining. Again thats partly due to what he has been given , but Jason's view of what is good acting is sometimes pretty random. The question in there somewhere is is the intention to preserve a balance of the sexes even when its probably true that the top performers split 3 females to one male.

He's also having the usual problem - sometimes blaming the skater for their choregrahy (Bonnie and Kyran recently) and at other times blaming the choregraphers. Robin though is far worse at this - ending up claiming routines involve simpler skating when thats precisely how they were written.

The what's eating Gilbert grape comment to Gareth tonight was a low blow but to be expected from our Jase

I've never seen the film bit if it meant he looked like a gurning simpleton then he was right!

Gilbert Grape is about somebody who is autistic and has a severe mental disability?

Like I said, I've never seen the film so didn't understand the reference.

Gareth's face pulling and gurning was awful though.

That's fair enough but I do think there was no need for Jason to make the reference, fair enough pull Gareth up on his performance but Jason will have offended the audience with that comment, not the contestants.

I like Jason a lot - I do like a bitchy old queen - but now I know the context, even I would admit that was an unnecessary reference to make.

The gurning was awful though!

Absolutely correct! Common sense in every word.

I think Jason's scoring is usually not far wrong, he manages to distinguish between contestants and marks according to performance etc. The problem I have with him is not his scoring but his comments. He is there to critique a performance not make personal comments about appearance or personality.

I have never warmed to either Kyran or Gareth, IMO Kyran is too full of himself and Gareth does
not like to be told where he has gone wrong, I think Jason is quite fair in his assessment, personality plays a big part in all walks of life, so he tells it as he sees the overall performance

Both points you make are 100% on target.

Its seems very easy to manipulate at the moment with it all coming down to who gets what choreography.

For it to be a fair competition, surely they should all be given routines which include compulsary elements each week. Specific elements for the women, and different elements geared towards the men.

At least then it would seem like a fair competition. At this stage though, I am sure they are all just having fun, knowing they have their fee banked, with not a hope of winning the thing over Ray anyway.

Clearly he doesn't have a dislike of them as he was pleasant to both on last nights show. He takes it week by week, no grudges, just opinions on their latest performances.

Agreed.

Jason is an odious man and one of the reasons we don't watch this show anymore.

Disagree. Far better hearing his views than Karens, who doesnt like to upset the skaters in any way

anyway how do you know he's being odious if you dont watch anymore? He was very pleasant to all contestants last night.