Bringing all these people from outside into the house . Now the HMs are all clued up as to what's what .

C5 have totally lost the plot as to what the programme Big Brother represents.

They don't know the big surprise tonight though.

It stopped being Big Brother way before Channel 5 got hold of it.

When the producers started messing with nominations that was the end of the show for BB fans who wanted to see real people interacting.

It really is a shadow of it's former self, isn't it. I don't even mind not having live feed if it was like it used to be where it wasn't all about the "entertainment" and having such an impure edit as it does now.

The biggest frustration for me is the way it's been turned into nothing more than an "entertainment" series in all aspects where there used to be a middle ground, a balance of entertainment/experiment/observation, etc, that is completely evident within the edit. It's ruined the observational aspects in many ways.

If people aren't happy with this i'd recommend checking out Big Brother Canada/Big Brother USA.

There's live feed, and it's a pure Big Brother experience alternative. Public opinion doesn't get much of a say or power of influence usually as well, which allows there to be objective observation and discussion, and no savage mobs.

Have you forgotten that this task of bringing in people for a task was actually originally done when it was on Ch4? So, no.

Plus, this series is incredible.

They are just repeating stuff that was done years ago.

A lack of imagination and a lack of respect for the show's basic rules.

But they will get good ratings so feel vindicated.

I said this today

Another poster kindly informed me when Ch5 took over they said it wasn't going to be a social experiment anymore, rather, an entertainment show. In which case it really shouldn't be called Big Brother.

It's more a 'game show' where the contestants live, get fed and participate in games ( disguised as tasks ) for a couple of weeks.

Reading the WHATM thread looks like it's been one big tear fest today!! Why?!

They are on a game show for a couple of weeks, not returning home after a tour in Afghanistan.

They've done these types of tasks when it was on C4 too.

they've given them all 3 days to redeem themselves - this is when it gets boring - being nice to eachother to influence public opinion, and if it wasn't for Linda they would have been nicer to eachother much sooner and the house would have been really dull for a lot longer had she not stayed in so long, so think we were lucky there.

The last week often drags because they're too preoccupied with trying to improve their own image and how they're being portrayed as they each have the win in their sights.

If Jasmine has stayed in longer, it would have really been worse for Luisa, and if Linda had stayed longer too.

Shame no live feed, but what i'm miffed about it Linda in her interview with Emma stating that the cameras arn't always on !!

No, Channel 5 have saved BB

The last BBs on C4 were dire. This has been leagues ahead of them and a great series.

I completely agree.

I agree, they should not be allowed use the name Big Brother when as you say it's now become a game show .

Anyway the only time it was BB was when the show had live feed . Now all we get is around 48min of heavily edited stuff and only what C5 decide to show us.

Wasn't the show supposed to be over by now?

The extension meant they had to dream up some cheap tasks. A grandfather clock door and some visits by unpaid F & F and there you have it.

I disagree! Channel 5 has invigorated a dying show.

Even just within the daily highlights shows back on C4 it was still way better.

How i miss that... it would show quieter moments, simple interactions, details within the details, it would try to include all of the housemates.. it wasn't all about excitement and entertainment and trying to edit the show toward that goal. They would usually start off with Big Brother waking them up with annoying sounds, lights come on and it would go through the day... and the edit would actually give you a pretty good idea of the house/group from an observational perspective. They did a great job on the edit in finding a balanced point of view. Not perfect but i was satisfied with it.

It's now just like every other scripted reality entertainment show out there that does the same thing in the edit.

Destroyed? Couldn't disagree more. In my opinion, there hasn't been one bad series on C5 yet. Yes, C5 have made changes, and a lot of them I disagree with - I wish they'd stop interfering with nominations as much and letting the HMs have contact with the outside world, but without a shadow of doubt, this has been one of the best - if not THE best CBB yet.

For god sake, where have you all been?!! The show as its former self was destroyed years ago. It was only ever a social experiment during series 1. We got to vote housemates into the house and things like that from BB2 onwards. It was fantastic entertainment up until BB7. After that, the producers tried way, way to hard to make it entertaining while at the same time still trying to make it a social experiment. Series 8 - 11 were awful...the twists went way too far...so far in fact that they allowed two housemates out of the house to ride around London on an open top tour bus for a task!! When Channel 5 took over from BB12 onwards, they openly admitted that it was an entertainment show now, and that's what Channel 4 should have realised years ago. Channel 5 made it a vote to save and they know where to interfere if all of the characters are getting evicted...they know the public can't be trusted. It's just a game show now, and I don't understand how anyone can think any different. Just enjoy it for what it is. There are a couple of things, such as Emma announcing who is topping the vote that I don't like as I think they ruin the game aspect, but apart from that, it is what it is...a game show.

Both eras had their faults

Channel 4 started the trend of bending the outside world rule by sending out David and Lisa out to London, and various tasks in BB11. Shame Five have decided to completely lose the most sacred rule as it's every series now there is outside contact and information leaked in just to cause conflict

No new ideas in this era of the show, constant rehashing of twists and tasks which have been done 100x before thinking the public won't notice

At least Channel 4 listened to the viewers unlike their successors who think it is amusing to constantly scoff at our opinions and make fun of us

The music in the highlights adds absolutely nothing, I much preferred when we could just watch the highlights without some silly music piping up and ruining the moment

8-10 were fantastic.

The point isn't being completely one or the other (experiment/entertainment) it's finding a balance.

Starting off with all Females, and adding a male into it is totally experimental. So, even at number 8 it was still very experimental.

But more than simple aspects like that, it was the overall tone... the focus, the purity of the edit with this goal (of finding the balance) in mind.

Channel 5's Big Brother started off hanging on to some of this but it's slowly discarded all of that and is now becoming or even is at the moment a scripted reality entertainment series.

So... it started off purely as an experiment, and now it's purely entertainment. Not what i would call progression by any means. It's regressed because some people only want to see the arguments, the more explosive and controversial moments, the "entertainment" apparently. It's not where the Samanda twins brushing their teeth is good enough any longer, or these type of quieter moments... and that is rather unfortunate as those were oftentimes the greatest moments and (in my opinion) the most entertaining.

A different audience i suppose. Things change, and not always for the better... or in the way of progression.

BB11 had ignore the obvious on C4.These are not new tasks.

Broken record time. C5 destroyed BB by not giving those that want live feed just that.

The show was dying, Channel 5 have just put new life into it and changed some things.

No argument from me. At least have some respect and rename the show!

I am totally bemused! If people don't like it, why on earth do they watch? I find that really odd.

They haven't desroyed it but there are so many problems with the way it is now. If i had Live feed i could forgive it all though.