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Given that the nature of these shows is 'unfair' in the sense that the non-expert public get to choose their personal favourites over the people the experts have deemed the best skaters each week, it seems a bit daft to add another layer of unfairness by introducing the duel. Why reward the person who has managed to reach fifth place in the competition over the person who is sitting in second place? Seems bonkers to me.
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I saw the DOI segment on This Morning today. Jeff Brazier seems to think it will be boy v boy and girl v girl, so Ray will be probably be against Sam. Also two from Hayley, Beth and Susanne could go either way as they are all about level.
Ray vs Sam Hayley vs Beth Kyran vs Gareth Suzanne vs Bonnie In that case I'd expect Sam, Beth, Gareth and Bonnie up for the vote. If Beth really is that popular, then Gareth or Bonnie would definitely be in the SO, although it is pretty likely that Sam would end up there as well in that scenario. |
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Hmm, if that's the case then I'm expecting these pairings:
Ray vs Sam Hayley vs Beth Kyran vs Gareth Suzanne vs Bonnie In that case I'd expect Sam, Beth, Gareth and Bonnie up for the vote. If Beth really is that popular, then Gareth or Bonnie would definitely be in the SO, although it is pretty likely that Sam would end up there as well in that scenario. ![]() I actually think the judges might save Beth over Hayley, depending on the routine - Beth is more flexible and a better skater |
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I really hate the duels. I don't see the point in them at all, it just spoils the overall outcome.
The level of competition is so high, it seems even more horrible to lose a good skater at the expense of a poor one. |
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I saw the DOI segment on This Morning today. Jeff Brazier seems to think it will be boy v boy and girl v girl, so Ray will be probably be against Sam. Also two from Hayley, Beth and Susanne could go either way as they are all about level.
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I saw the DOI segment on This Morning today. Jeff Brazier seems to think it will be boy v boy and girl v girl, so Ray will be probably be against Sam. Also two from Hayley, Beth and Susanne could go either way as they are all about level.
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If it really is Boy vs Boy, etc, then aren't the producers lucky that it ended up as 4 Boys and 4 Girls? What would they have done if it had been 5 and 3. Wonder if they've all run out to buy a lottery ticket.
Or could it be - surely not - that they make up the rules as they go? |
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I hope it's not sorted by gender. Unless they give us the hilarity of Ray "vs" Gareth, three of the four duels are going to be a foregone conclusion. Ray beats any of the men, any of the men beat Gareth, and any of the women beat Bonnie. Something like :
Ray vs Suzanne Beth vs Hayley Kyran vs Sam Bonnie vs Gareth would be far more exciting IMO. |
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If it really is Boy vs Boy, etc, then aren't the producers lucky that it ended up as 4 Boys and 4 Girls? What would they have done if it had been 5 and 3. Wonder if they've all run out to buy a lottery ticket.
Or could it be - surely not - that they make up the rules as they go?
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The fairest way would be going by leader board, unless they really are trying to manipulate the vote
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Jeff Brazier actually said that he wanted to see boy v boy rather than having any inside info. He also thought that that is what happened in previous years which we know is wrong.
So basically he was talking bull so until we hear anything official to the contrary I will assume it's as previous years and the pairings will be based on the leaderboard. |
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So basically he was talking bull so until we hear anything official to the contrary I will assume it's as previous years and the pairings will be based on the leaderboard.
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A couple of the TV guides say that the celebs will be paired based on skating ability which is what they have done in previous years.
Nothing confirmed so it could be anything! |
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I hope it's not sorted by gender. Unless they give us the hilarity of Ray "vs" Gareth, three of the four duels are going to be a foregone conclusion. Ray beats any of the men, any of the men beat Gareth, and any of the women beat Bonnie. Something like :
Ray vs Suzanne Beth vs Hayley Kyran vs Sam Bonnie vs Gareth would be far more exciting IMO. |
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A couple of the TV guides say that the celebs will be paired based on skating ability which is what they have done in previous years.
Nothing confirmed so it could be anything! However if you then give the public a voting choice of Hayley, Sam, Kyran/Suzanne and Gareth its perfectly possible that the Gareth vote will hold and dump two winners into the skate off. If they do have a skate, and then do the duel at the end for immunity, with the pairings decided by the first routine, its going to pay anyone not to be second...... The judges can make sure the order produces whatever pairings they want to. And if the scores for the first performance count with the public vote, the judges have even more input into who gets to the bottom two. The judges could end up controlling everything - except the one crucial thing which is how many people vote for Gareth - who is the one who needs to go...... |
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The judges could end up controlling everything - except the one crucial thing which is how many people vote for Gareth - who is the one who needs to go......
I accept that Bonnie fans will push for the idea that Gareth needs to go, but in all honesty, no-one can complain about him needing to go so long as she's still there. She's a much weaker skater, and hasn't progressed. |
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Looks like Bonnie v Gareth is one pairing as they were all training together with Karen yesterday.
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Looks like Bonnie v Gareth is one pairing as they were all training together with Karen yesterday.
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As manipulative as it is haven't these duels been successful before in getting rid of a lesser skater as they usually go against someone strong in the skate off?
It's playing with fire though and could backfire massively |
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So basically this could be the week one of the stronger pairs are eliminated.
I just watched Beth duel with Oona last year on YT and what a waste of time. I thought each pair would be skating the same choreography. If I had to choose who I would not miss at this stage in the competition it would be someone from this list (not in any particular order) - Kyran Bonnie Sam Gareth and possibly Suzanne. As long as Ray, Beth and Hayley get through I will be happy. |
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IMO, Bonnie has been weaker for the past two weeks. The judges marked her lower this week, and the skating judges marked her lower the week before, and she'd probably have been bottom if Jason hadn't under-marked Gareth so heavily.
I accept that Bonnie fans will push for the idea that Gareth needs to go, but in all honesty, no-one can complain about him needing to go so long as she's still there. She's a much weaker skater, and hasn't progressed. The problem is it may not work. Even if it works in a normal series when there's someone truly bad who wouldn't other wise be in the bottom two - there's no one that truly bad this series - and a couple of relatively good people have already hit the bottom two. Its runs a big risk of just making some of the weaker contestants safe, while one of the past winner's is sent home by Gareth's vote holding up.. |
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Not 100% clear how it works yet but if the 4 losers of the Duels then skate again with that routine scored & the judges scores are combined with viewer votes, I think it will be extremely difficult for Gareth/Bonnie to avoid the skate off.
If we assume (fairly safe assumption) that they are bottom of that 4 way judges leaderboard they would need to finish top of the votes to stand any chance of avoiding the skate off & even then they could end up there depending on how the votes go elsewhere. |
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It would be very dangerous to attempt to ditch anyone who they think has public support by having the judges under-mark them, or controversially save their opponent, because that's bound to encourage more voting than they'd normally get.
Kyran and Zaraah were 3rd and 4th bottom in the judges scores, so them being in the bottom two shouldn't have been a big shock. They weren't even close to being the best according to the "experts", so while their fans might be alarmed, there's no need to presume that the true contenders were ever in danger. |
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Why reward the person who has managed to reach fifth place in the competition over the person who is sitting in second place? Seems bonkers to me.
But there never is a 2nd place or 5th place because it changes week to week. On that thinking it should be aggregated. |
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Not sure if this link will work but on this article and pictures the duel would be:
RAY/SUZANNE BONNIE/GARETH KYRAN/SAM HAYLEY/BETH http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...-training.html I may be being cynical but if this is true it looks like a way of ensuring at least one of each sex is in the skate off and if as is likely Ray beats Suzanne and Bonnie beats Gareth they would have two of each which would be convenient! |
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