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Linda vs Jim - the examination of evidence
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dorydaryl
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think that I really don't want to know TBH. It is their past and their secret. It is/was clear that there was mutual animosity and it is now evident that it caused psychological stress for Linda - probably Jim too. It's not pleasant to watch and I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for either of them.

I think it's a bit shameful that the production team put them together in a house in the name of entertainment.”

Another good post from you, Penny.
I feel really sad that Linda took the bait and really played into the hands of the production team.
As I've said before, I thought it was too soon after losing Bernie after all the other stuff she's gone through. Her emotions are raw and she seems so hurt and angry. Jim became a fixation point for that anger.
It wasn't the time or place for Linda to try and raise her profile/ make a few bob and I can't help feeling she's blown her chance.
Hope she can find a more positive way out of the mire she's in.
Deb Arkle
27-01-2014
She's walking proof of the way holding on to hatred & resentment will destroy you (I'd never really believed that saying before!), she seems desperately unhappy.
floppydog
27-01-2014
I see no evidence just supposition.
trebanos
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by CooliePickney:
“Two statements have been made which indicate much more to the Linda Jim conflict.
Jim stated in his Louisa speech that there was more to it but that he wouldn't be the one to reveal. To me this indicates some level of chivalry perhaps? Nothing to do with Frank Carson's thieving or being an ass in the wings of a theatre, but this doesn't exclude frank Carson's dressing room being the location for rift in question.
Liz jones claims "I did in fact get to the bottom of what happened decades before in Frank Carson’s dressing room, a small dark place that now has its own Twitter account. But I told Big Brother I would not be revealing it as I was not about to upset a woman – even one who said on the show ‘I’m a Nolan not a nun’ "
So maybe Jim Carson's Dressing Room is keeping a bigger secret, maybe Jim declined an invitation to a tryst with Linda and her husband, maybe it was nothing so titilating, whatever it is, it seems it would do more to embarrass Linda than to shame Jim, whatever he's been guilty of in the past.
The Jim Linda conflict has caught my attention more than any other storyline on TV and I would love to know exactly what it is, highly unlikely, but I'd be very interested in any tid bits to satisfy my cravings, and I apologise if this thread is to similar to others I had to wait for thread posting privileges after only registering yesterday morning ”

That is evidence? Gawn, you really are scraping the pan.
labasheedy
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Deb Arkle:
“She's walking proof of the way holding on to hatred & resentment will destroy you (I'd never really believed that saying before!), she seems desperately unhappy.”


I expect it's not just Jim, it's probably just her way to be very opinionated, argumentative and verbal.

Some people are just like that, but you'd think people would be on their best behaviour and keep themselves in check on this programme as it came across very badly.
UKNikey
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by BlackberryGirl:
“I think it's plausible that she may indeed have known before she went in, due to mentioning him on her VT.
'Colleen said Linda went in with the intention of challenging Jim' or somesuch.”

Originally Posted by J.R:
“Linda said herself it was her intention to needle Jim into losing his temper - she said because she knew he would be on his best behaviour and she wanted to show him up for what he really was. Not an exact quote but definitely said by Linda in her initial interview right at the beginning of the show. Confirmed by Colleen later.

She also said at some point - but I can't remember where I'm afraid (possibly since she's been out?) that Jim was one of the four people she had listed as not wanting to share the house with - no doubt BB thought putting them together would be funny!!”

Yes she did say these things, and as we know she does listen to advice (Luisa exit speech) and act on it.

There is a pre CBB interview somewhere on YOutube where she says she would push a housemate to breaking point if she had conflict with them. "Push their buttons".


From The Irish Mirror:

Nolan said in her pre-show video: "I don't like male chauvinist pigs. I think if I went into the house and there was a male chauvinist pig in there, if he does upset me, or some of the other women in the house, I wouldn't be frightened to tell him. I had Jim Davidson thrown out of a club once, so God help me if Jim Davidson's in there now."
CooliePickney
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Totally agree.



Presumably, yes. The ones who are somewhat well known seem to get between £50,000 and £150,000. That is quite a lot of money for most people to get for 3 weeks work.
”

It is significant pay, but is it worth the consequences? There's plenty I wouldn't do for all the money in the world :/
Aynuck
27-01-2014
I don't think that the animosity between Linda and Jim was mutual at first, although it developed over time because of the way in which Linda set out to destroy Jim.
Jim has said that he didn't really know Linda, she was just another person 'in the business' although he obviously knows secrets about her and her late husband, but I doubt if he'd have ever mentioned the FCDI at all if Linda had behaved differently toward him in the first place.
There's no doubt that Jim Davidson's humour can wind some people up the wrong way, and because of his well publicised past, his drunkeness, wife beating etc; he is not universally liked.
In spite of his demons Jim Davidson enjoyed a highly successful and lucrative tv career, first as a stand up comic and later as a prime time game show host. Jealousy may have played it's part in what we saw in the BB house, an emotion not exactly unknown in show business circles.
Linda had specifically mentioned Jim Davidson before she entered the BB house, and she made it known to anyone who would listen that she wanted him to lose his temper and 'explode'.
Why would she want to do that I wonder?
Many of those who get to the top in the entertainment world are flawed characters, some might say that they have to be in order to get where they have.
It would seem to me that Linda is the more flawed and damaged of the two, and I hope that she will be able to move on from her bitter experience in the BB house and learn something from it.
I have a feeling that the BB experience will have a much more positive outcome for Jim Davidson.
BlackberryGirl
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by UKNikey:
“There is a pre CBB interview somewhere on YOutube where she says she would push a housemate to breaking point if she had conflict with them. "Push their buttons".”

I'd like to see that. If she said those things it would certainly shed fresh light on the confrontations between her and Davidson.
DanniLaMone
27-01-2014
Frank Carson's Dressing Room has a twitter account? pmsl
BlackberryGirl
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Aynuck:
“I don't think that the animosity between Linda and Jim was mutual at first, although it developed over time because of the way in which Linda set out to destroy Jim.
Jim has said that he didn't really know Linda, she was just another person 'in the business' although he obviously knows secrets about her and her late husband, but I doubt if he'd have ever mentioned the FCDI at all if Linda had behaved differently toward him in the first place.
There's no doubt that Jim Davidson's humour can wind some people up the wrong way, and because of his well publicised past, his drunkeness, wife beating etc; he is not universally liked.
In spite of his demons Jim Davidson enjoyed a highly successful and lucrative tv career, first as a stand up comic and later as a prime time game show host. Jealousy may have played it's part in what we saw in the BB house, an emotion not exactly unknown in show business circles.
Linda had specifically mentioned Jim Davidson before she entered the BB house, and she made it known to anyone who would listen that she wanted him to lose his temper and 'explode'.
Why would she want to do that I wonder?
Many of those who get to the top in the entertainment world are flawed characters, some might say that they have to be in order to get where they have.
It would seem to me that Linda is the more flawed and damaged of the two, and I hope that she will be able to move on from her bitter experience in the BB house and learn something from it.
I have a feeling that the BB experience will have a much more positive outcome for Jim Davidson.”

He stated that this was their third meeting - so they'd only met about twice before, and many decades ago at that. Whatsmore both times we have been told that he was drunk and probably hardly recollected it.

I don't think Jim harboured any animosity towards Linda at the outset. In fact I don't think she even registered in his thoughts at all. She was nobody of any note to him; just another name among shed-loads of others he'd briefly crossed paths while working in the industry.

Why would he have had any feelings about her whatsoever?
Aynuck
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by BlackberryGirl:
“He stated that this was their third meeting - so they'd only met about twice before, and many decades ago at that. Whatsmore both times we have been told that he was drunk and probably hardly recollected it.

I don't think Jim harboured any animosity towards Linda at the outset. In fact I don't think she even registered in his thoughts at all. She was nobody of any note to him; just another name among shed-loads of others he'd briefly crossed paths while working in the industry.

Why would he have had any feelings about her whatsoever?”

She wasn't the most high profile member of the Nolan's was she?
I can't understand why she blew her own chance of another bite at the cherry with this hostile and seemingly unhinged behaviour unless she really does have issues requiring some sort of professional help
If that's the case it was a mistake on the part of BB to allow her to take part in the first place.
No wonder Jim offered her 'a smaller knife'
mancunianway
27-01-2014
I think Jim Davidson can be abrasive, brash and boorish; thats the type of man he is. But I am surprised at how restrained he was in the face of her onslaught. Two people can hate each other - I am guessing Jim is used to that - but she couldn't hide it whereas he could put it to one side. That is her failing, not his. He was able to be perfectly civil but she wasn't having it. He didn't try to 'be her friend' as she put it - he was trying to get through the day.

She was obsessed with him. She also knew he was going in - it was 99% positive he was going in after the delay last year. Why would she raise the issue in her VT if she wasn't fairly sure? If someone did a VT saying 'I can't stand Ronnie Corbett' it would have been cut because it would have been irrelevant and fairly insulting. It's ok to insult Jim in that context because it is building up a theme for the house. She went in with her mind and opinion set.

As for the reasons...

Well, why would Frank Carson have had a camera set up in his dressing room on the off chance? My guess is that, during a long run at the theatre, things had been going missing so he set up the camera to catch the thief. Linda's husband was caught nicking £25 and was prosecuted because, in reality, it was probably a lot more. Why else go to the trouble of putting the camera, trained on the wallet in an empty room? I haven't heard that Frank Carson was paranoid!

In her exit interview she said there was far more stuff to tell but she 'wasn't going there' - that could be a load of hogwash to excuse her behaviour after she realised she'd caused her own downfall. Or maybe there is more? He says he doesn't know her that well. But he knew Frank Carson VERY well - maybe she's just making a lot of noise because she's afraid of what Frank might have told Jim over the years?
CooliePickney
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by mancunianway:
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As for the reasons...


In her exit interview she said there was far more stuff to tell but she 'wasn't going there' - that could be a load of hogwash to excuse her behaviour after she realised she'd caused her own downfall. Or maybe there is more? He says he doesn't know her that well. But he knew Frank Carson VERY well - maybe she's just making a lot of noise because she's afraid of what Frank might have told Jim over the years?”

It seems a little counterintuitive of her to attempt to provoke him though, and I really wonder if it's as you suggest and she has just royally self sabotaged.

I'm trying to find what else she's said about it all since her eviction but I don't live in the uk so I think I'm missing quite a bit.
MIKKIL
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by mancunianway:
“I think Jim Davidson can be abrasive, brash and boorish; thats the type of man he is. But I am surprised at how restrained he was in the face of her onslaught. Two people can hate each other - I am guessing Jim is used to that - but she couldn't hide it whereas he could put it to one side. That is her failing, not his. He was able to be perfectly civil but she wasn't having it. He didn't try to 'be her friend' as she put it - he was trying to get through the day.

She was obsessed with him. She also knew he was going in - it was 99% positive he was going in after the delay last year. Why would she raise the issue in her VT if she wasn't fairly sure? If someone did a VT saying 'I can't stand Ronnie Corbett' it would have been cut because it would have been irrelevant and fairly insulting. It's ok to insult Jim in that context because it is building up a theme for the house. She went in with her mind and opinion set.

As for the reasons...

Well, why would Frank Carson have had a camera set up in his dressing room on the off chance? My guess is that, during a long run at the theatre, things had been going missing so he set up the camera to catch the thief. Linda's husband was caught nicking £25 and was prosecuted because, in reality, it was probably a lot more. Why else go to the trouble of putting the camera, trained on the wallet in an empty room? I haven't heard that Frank Carson was paranoid!

In her exit interview she said there was far more stuff to tell but she 'wasn't going there' - that could be a load of hogwash to excuse her behaviour after she realised she'd caused her own downfall. Or maybe there is more? He says he doesn't know her that well. But he knew Frank Carson VERY well - maybe she's just making a lot of noise because she's afraid of what Frank might have told Jim over the years?”

She is going on Daybreak tomorrow with something about what she kept hidden from the HMs maybe she has saved the last huge dagger for the final day. Sad individual.
teresagreen
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by UKNikey:
“I would imagine that Jim has "known" Linda back in the 80's.
and probably turned her down for another go with her hubby watching. ”

That had crossed my mind.
CooliePickney
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by MIKKIL:
“She is going on Daybreak tomorrow with something about what she kept hidden from the HMs maybe she has saved the last huge dagger for the final day. Sad individual.”

Ooh thanks for the heads up, I hope I can download it.
teresagreen
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by MIKKIL:
“She is going on Daybreak tomorrow with something about what she kept hidden from the HMs maybe she has saved the last huge dagger for the final day. Sad individual.”

If that's what she intends to do, she is even more vindictive and spiteful than I originally thought.
End-Em-All
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by MIKKIL:
“She is going on Daybreak tomorrow with something about what she kept hidden from the HMs maybe she has saved the last huge dagger for the final day. Sad individual.”

If that's her plan, she should reveal the details tonight so that they make the papers tomorrow. Revealing any bombshell on the day will have little or no effect even in Nolan land.
gilliedew
28-01-2014
Most probably when her coffers are empty again, she will refill them with whatever it was, until then let's enjoy being in ignorance about it.

By the way, if it was the case has she also been rejected by Julie Goodyear?
fredster
28-01-2014
I think its interesting that since linda left, the house has been .(happy happy house!) And Jim had been taken part more.
I think it might be because they realised jim had fans out there,but saying that he is much happier.
fredster
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by MIKKIL:
“She is going on Daybreak tomorrow with something about what she kept hidden from the HMs maybe she has saved the last huge dagger for the final day. Sad individual.”

poor woman, she will make herself look so bitter and silly.
BlackberryGirl
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by fredster:
“I think its interesting that since linda left, the house has been .(happy happy house!) And Jim had been taken part more.
I think it might be because they realised jim had fans out there,but saying that he is much happier.”

The whole house does seem jollier now. I guess there haven't been any arguments recently.
sutie
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“I don't understand why she put herself in that position if it was anything that would affect her mental health is she really that desperate for money?

She knew the likelihood of him being in the BB was high and if what happened was really that bad why would she want to be in the same house as him never mind the same room.

Strange woman.”



And not only chose to put herself in that position, but was seemingly possessed by the idea of poking the somewhat calm bear with a sharp stick, until it turned into a really annoyed one and turned on her.

Like you said - Strange woman,
Thrombin
28-01-2014
I thought Jim said he didn't know what her problem was with him?

I also thought we'd already heard Linda say what it was on her exit. Apparently when she had met Jim many years ago he had said some vile things to her and her daughter when he was drunk and she hadn't forgiven him.
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