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Linda vs Jim - the examination of evidence
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Trish123
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think that I really don't want to know TBH. It is their past and their secret. It is/was clear that there was mutual animosity and it is now evident that it caused psychological stress for Linda - probably Jim too. It's not pleasant to watch and I'm sure it wasn't pleasant for either of them.

I think it's a bit shameful that the production team put them together in a house in the name of entertainment.”

I'm a Jim supporter Penny but absolutely agree with this.

It was perverse considering Linda's issues mentally. I don't think anyone deserves trial by TV, especially when real situations are involved and genuine emotions.

As apposed to the ones manipulated and constructed by BB as in the love triangle. These are all that should involve viewers opinions.

It's a real shame Linda had not taken the time to make amends with Jim. It would have helped her emotionally to bury the past and move on imo.
Janet_Hadfield
28-01-2014
I hope the ITV team lawyers are told whatever it is. They could be sued for libel if she relates another lie as she did when she said her husband pleaded guilty to save her from the press.
Rough Diamond
28-01-2014
Jim has said he does not know Linda very well, to be fair she started most of the arguments with him, even when he walked away from her she still kept goading him calling him a coward,she is a very nasty piece of work and very dangerous with it IMO.
bobbyd
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by CooliePickney:
“Two statements have been made which indicate much more to the Linda Jim conflict.
Jim stated in his Louisa speech that there was more to it but that he wouldn't be the one to reveal. To me this indicates some level of chivalry perhaps? Nothing to do with Frank Carson's thieving or being an ass in the wings of a theatre, but this doesn't exclude frank Carson's dressing room being the location for rift in question.
Liz jones claims "I did in fact get to the bottom of what happened decades before in Frank Carson’s dressing room, a small dark place that now has its own Twitter account. But I told Big Brother I would not be revealing it as I was not about to upset a woman – even one who said on the show ‘I’m a Nolan not a nun’ "
So maybe Jim Carson's Dressing Room is keeping a bigger secret, maybe Jim declined an invitation to a tryst with Linda and her husband, maybe it was nothing so titilating, whatever it is, it seems it would do more to embarrass Linda than to shame Jim, whatever he's been guilty of in the past.
The Jim Linda conflict has caught my attention more than any other storyline on TV and I would love to know exactly what it is, highly unlikely, but I'd be very interested in any tid bits to satisfy my cravings, and I apologise if this thread is to similar to others I had to wait for thread posting privileges after only registering yesterday morning ”

I thought Liz was referring to the fact that she got to the bottom of it in the journo task in the house and said she would not include it in her speech to the housemates. She probably thought she was the only one told - unaware of what Linda had already said.
I think her dislike for Jim comes from his argument with her hubby and from years on the clubs and shows circuit where the young, beautiful but naive Nolans may have had a hard time from leery men.
AMS13
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by MIKKIL:
“She is going on Daybreak tomorrow with something about what she kept hidden from the HMs maybe she has saved the last huge dagger for the final day. Sad individual.”

I hope she gets closed down with the threat of lawyers, both BB, Jim Davidson and Daybreak. Who cares what happened, it was decades ago. The only person it will hurt is Linda.

Personally I do wonder if she misread the contract and assumed she was going in the Linda Nolan House, because for a guest she has been very demanding about who and who cannot go in. Perhaps, she took lessons from her sister and no matter who was in there, Linda Nolan was going to find an antagonist to create victim and generate media interest (how much does she get paid per interview?). For her own sake, I just hope that somebody can help her seek the help that she so obviously needs.
trebanos
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by bobbyd:
“I thought Liz was referring to the fact that she got to the bottom of it in the journo task in the house and said she would not include it in her speech to the housemates. She probably thought she was the only one told - unaware of what Linda had already said.”

What Liz has written is a complete and utter lie. When she did the journalism task, she was accommpanied all the time by Dappy, who kept the notes.

Liz is not telling, because she knows Linda's story has no foundation. It keeps Liz on-side with the Nolans, who can be guaranteed to provide more stories at the drop of a hat.
Stigofthedump
28-01-2014
Sorry haven't read all of the thread, just to say Linda said the reason she disliked Jim was because of his heckling in front of a crowd towards her and her 16 year old sister years ago, she said he wouldn't remember it because he was drunk at the time. The FC dressing room was just an additional insult.
sanegirl
28-01-2014
As Linda said it is impossible to be anything but yourself in the house. I expect someone else,(Dappy)would have bee the object to put down if no Jim. I think the whole thing is about her poor dead husband. (her words). Asked Emma would'nt she do the same for her husband.
Helenbemerry
28-01-2014
The sad thing is if Linda had put her difference aside the way Jim did, they have a lot in common as they are both in showbiz and know a lot of the same people and everyone says how boring it is in the house, they could have had great chats together. Linda does seem to have a sense of humour as long as it's nothing Jim has said and they could have actually joined forces, been a double act and would have been a force to be reckoned with in the house.
trevvytrev21
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“The sad thing is if Linda had put her difference aside the way Jim did, they have a lot in common as they are both in showbiz and know a lot of the same people and everyone says how boring it is in the house, they could have had great chats together. Linda does seem to have a sense of humour as long as it's nothing Jim has said and they could have actually joined forces, been a double act and would have been a force to be reckoned with in the house.”

They could've been the best Mum and Dad HMs ever.

The Nolans seem to live on vitriol and spite. Colleen being queen of the hive.
Kay2000
28-01-2014
Jim did say something last week during nominations, I forgot some of it, but it was directed at Linda, and he said "and it won't be coming from me" I took that as he was reassuring Linda that whatever had happened in the past, he wasn't going to say anything. Maybe he was talking about Frank Carson's money maybe it was something else.
BellaRosa
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“I hope Jim doesn't get into any kind of public slanging match with the Nolans when he comes out. His family have behaved with dignity the whole time Jim has been branded as the devil by Linda and Colleen. Hopefully with their support Jim can do the same.”

My only hope is that Jim will have them done for slander for all the nasty things that Linda and Coleen have said. The comment about Jim being drunk in the wings and 'something' happened with Coleen was a low blow, more than what Jim had said in the house imo.

Jim will not get into any slanging match with her as he is so much better than that. He also said to Luisa that he will not be watching the footage back and I do not blame him. He just wants to get on with his life and move forward whereas Linda wants to stay in the past and be bitter.
trevvytrev21
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by BellaRosa:
“My only hope is that Jim will have them done for slander for all the nasty things that Linda and Coleen have said. The comment about Jim being drunk in the wings and 'something' happened with Coleen was a low blow, more than what Jim had said in the house imo.

Jim will not get into any slanging match with her as he is so much better than that. He also said to Luisa that he will not be watching the footage back and I do not blame him. He just wants to get on with his life and move forward whereas Linda wants to stay in the past and be bitter.”

Coleen's veins run with pure venom. Pathetic.
BellaRosa
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“Coleen's veins run with pure venom. Pathetic. ”

It is so hard to believe that there are 2 bitter and twisted sister in the same family.
trevvytrev21
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by BellaRosa:
“It is so hard to believe that there are 2 bitter and twisted sister in the same family.”

The father wasn't a nice person either. Maybe they get it from him?

Aside from the oddball Bernie, they seem preoccupied with spite. Can't be very healthy.
AOTB
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think it's a bit shameful that the production team put them together in a house in the name of entertainment.”

With respect, I disagree. I would actually say that this was to their credit for a change.
This is just a reality tv game show after all. Contestants as adults make an informed decision to go on it or not as the case may be. If they are not psychologically fit to go on it or not deemed resilient enough to handle the pressure, then the production staff/ psychological profilers (or whatever they have) should not allow them to 'compete'.

They should expect to take the the rough with the smooth alongside their no doubt gratefully received appearance fee IMO.
sandy50
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by UKNikey:
“Yes she did say these things, and as we know she does listen to advice (Luisa exit speech) and act on it.

There is a pre CBB interview somewhere on YOutube where she says she would push a housemate to breaking point if she had conflict with them. "Push their buttons".


From The Irish Mirror:

Nolan said in her pre-show video: "I don't like male chauvinist pigs. I think if I went into the house and there was a male chauvinist pig in there, if he does upset me, or some of the other women in the house, I wouldn't be frightened to tell him. I had Jim Davidson thrown out of a club once, so God help me if Jim Davidson's in there now."”

wonder if that was the reason for the reference to 'Blackpool' ?
sandy50
28-01-2014
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“With respect, I disagree. I would actually say that this was to their credit for a change.
This is just a reality tv game show after all. Contestants as adults make an informed decision to go on it or not as the case may be. If they are not psychologically fit to go on it or not deemed resilient enough to handle the pressure, then the production staff/ psychological profilers (or whatever they have) should not allow them to 'compete'.

They should expect to take the the rough with the smooth alongside their no doubt gratefully received appearance fee IMO.”

I got the impression she already knew Jim was going into the house, and if she didn't...then she was a poor choice to be put in with Jim this year - because they would have known from what she about Jim before going in the house, that she had a history with him and that he'd be the worse person to be with - and that she didn't like him -

They had a duty of care to Linda, and would have had knowledge of her background and medical history so I think entertainment at the expense of someones reputation and state of mind was illthought and irresponsible of BB. It wasn't funny watching Linda many times, just uncomfortable viewing.
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