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Is Jim a sociopath?
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dome
27-01-2014
I dislike the use of labels, but I cannot resist

What label do you give a person that takes the word of a 'quack' as gospel.

Gullible.
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Just a little 1:
“Kate Marlow is a performance coach, she is not qualified to observe, make the comments she did or judge Jim or anyone else. She is not a psychologist and should not pretend to be one, placing her name and profession on screen while she pretends to be an arm chair psychologist is questionable. To name the show "big brother a bit on the psych" is misleading. Anything that comes out of the mouths of those panel members should be taken with a grain of salt.”

Well none of them said he was a sociopath/psychopath, that was me, I'm asking if all those traits makes him one?
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by dome:
“I dislike the use of labels, but I cannot resist

What label do you give a person that takes the word of a 'quack' as gospel.

Gullible.”

Is that all you have to offer on the subject? No back up, no argument, just name calling?
Betty Britain
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“Well none of them said he was a sociopath/psychopath, that was me, I'm asking if all those traits makes him one?”

Then the answer is NO
dome
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“Is that all you have to offer on the subject? No back up, no argument, just name calling?”

Isn't that what you are doing?
sanegirl
27-01-2014
And there was me thinking Jim bashing had scraped the barrel.
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“Then the answer is NO”

Read up on the traits of a sociopath.
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by sanegirl:
“And there was me thinking Jim bashing had scraped the barrel.”

The problem with this forum is that very few people actually put forward an argument.
One liners are for the comedy circuit, not discussion forums.
AMS13
27-01-2014
Sociopaths cannot feel empathy, they can show it, but not feel it. Both Jim and Luisa have shown compassion and empathy towards the other HMs. No doubt if you saw Jim when he started out, him and Luisa have a lot in common, starting with low self esteem (when he was starting out, think life has taught him a lot). Also both of them are very generous and giving people. Personally if I was looking for a HM with a narcistic sociopathic disorder, then Linda would be the first one I would go for.
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by AMS13:
“Sociopaths cannot feel empathy, they can show it, but not feel it. Both Jim and Luisa have shown compassion and empathy towards the other HMs. No doubt if you saw Jim when he started out, him and Luisa have a lot in common, starting with low self esteem (when he was starting out, think life has taught him a lot). Also both of them are very generous and giving people. Personally if I was looking for a HM with a narcistic sociopathic disorder, then Linda would be the first one I would go for.”

I think Linda was unforgiving because she felt he was undermining her a lot.
Jim is very crafty, like the 'rum cocktails' comment to make Linda look bad and the I'm not eating debacle.
Why should she keep forgiving him when he kept chipping away at her? No wonder he's had so many failed marriages, he's pervy and mean towards women.
Yet he manages to manipulate audiences all the time. A good actor, a very good actor.
It's hard to say he felt no empathy because he did appear to, but then would chip away at that person again until they would admit he was 'the master'. He's tried and still is trying that with Luisa.
I've seen Luisa be a lot more supportive of HMs than any of the others.
Just a little 1
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“Well none of them said he was a sociopath/psychopath, that was me, I'm asking if all those traits makes him one?”

You asked the question based on what you listened to from a panel on a TV show that was not qualified to imply. TV manipulation one sided, agenda bias at its best. Plant seeds watch them grow, allow others to point fingers, spread rumours, create injustices. Typical media manipulation.
Yorkie47
27-01-2014
I think there's a difference between hiding your feelings and not having any. Jim has empathy with others - he went up to Jasmine to explain that Liz was not trying to hurt her, despite the fact that he and Jasmine were not really on speaking terms. I don't think that was for effect, I think it was genuine.

Jim's clever no doubt. He eventually got out of Luisa that she did "care", despite Luisa's constant attempts to have us believe that she doesn't give a hoot what others think.

Jim went out to Iraq to entertain the troops for no fee. A strange thing for a sociopath to do.

True sociopaths have no empathy for others from what I understand. Therefore, I don't think any of them are sociopaths - most definitely not Dappy or Ollie, nor Casey and not Jim or Luisa either.

As for Sam, I haven't a clue what she thinks or doesn't think about anything, she's a closed book. (And I've never watched TOWIE so I can't gauge her from that.)

My views purely as a layman. I defer to experts on the subject.
AMS13
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“I think Linda was unforgiving because she felt he was undermining her a lot.
Jim is very crafty, like the 'rum cocktails' comment to make Linda look bad and the I'm not eating debacle.
Why should she keep forgiving him when he kept chipping away at her? No wonder he's had so many failed marriages, he's pervy and mean towards women.
Yet he manages to manipulate audiences all the time. A good actor, a very good actor.
It's hard to say he felt no empathy because he did appear to, but then would chip away at that person again until they would admit he was 'the master'. He's tried and still is trying that with Luisa.
I've seen Luisa be a lot more supportive of HMs than any of the others.”



When you bring his actions outside of the house into the equation, then he shows compassion and empathy, being both generous with his time and also doing certain things without reward and out of his own pocket. Luisa also gives a lot, mainly trying to make others happy at her own expense.

Linda, well she is still back in the Seventies and everything is about her, to the point that she was more than happy to see Jim completely isolated from the HMs.
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by Yorkie47:
“I think there's a difference between hiding your feelings and not having any. Jim has empathy with others - he went up to Jasmine to explain that Liz was not trying to hurt her, despite the fact that he and Jasmine were not really on speaking terms. I don't think that was for effect, I think it was genuine.

Jim's clever no doubt. He eventually got out of Luisa that she did "care", despite Luisa's constant attempts to have us believe that she doesn't give a hoot what others think.

Jim went out to Iraq to entertain the troops for no fee. A strange thing for a sociopath to do.

True sociopaths have no empathy for others from what I understand. Therefore, I don't think any of them are sociopaths - most definitely not Dappy or Ollie, nor Casey and not Jim or Luisa either.

As for Sam, I haven't a clue what she thinks or doesn't think about anything, she's a closed book. (And I've never watched TOWIE so I can't gauge her from that.)

My views purely as a layman. I defer to experts on the subject.”

Thank you, good post.
I like posts that make me think, certainly better than one liners.
Of course I'm judging from what's been seen and discussed by HMs in the house, I know very little about them outside the house.
Many of the HMs have said how nice and supportive Linda's been to them, Liz for example when she left the house. I wonder why little of this has been shown, only her disdain of Jim was aired.
Is it because we expect women to be kind but its a bigger deal when a man is, so worth airing?
reader123
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by JJ69:
“I was wondering when the 'sociapath' word was going to be bandied about. Bit late in the series this year but there you go, we've had every other description so far!”

What else is left to throw at the man. This is pathetic.
cazziekay
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Bit in bold - DSBB2014 Myth No. 1.

Emma asked her if there was anyone she wouldn't like to be in the house with (knowing JD was going in); Emma then asked her why she wouldn't like to share a house with him.

Viewer manipulation 101.”

Also on BOTS Linda said she didnt just say Jim she gave four names and the editing used his name because he was going in. I thought the launch was live
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by AMS13:
“When you bring his actions outside of the house into the equation, then he shows compassion and empathy, being both generous with his time and also doing certain things without reward and out of his own pocket. Luisa also gives a lot, mainly trying to make others happy at her own expense.

Linda, well she is still back in the Seventies and everything is about her, to the point that she was more than happy to see Jim completely isolated from the HMs.”

There are other things he's done outside that were not compassionate or empathetic, domestic violence has been mentioned, sexism, racism.
I think it's only fair to judge by what goes on inside the house.
Linda felt his constant mocking and chipping at her was his attempt to isolate her.
LykkieLi
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by reader123:
“What else is left to throw at the man. This is pathetic.”

What's pathetic is that people come on a discussion forum to close down a discussion.
Maybe twitter is a better medium for you?
Janet_Hadfield
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“The problem with this forum is that very few people actually put forward an argument.
One liners are for the comedy circuit, not discussion forums.”


Sometimes one liners are all that is needed to get ones point across.
Bowdon
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Bit in bold - DSBB2014 Myth No. 1.

Emma asked her if there was anyone she wouldn't like to be in the house with (knowing JD was going in); Emma then asked her why she wouldn't like to share a house with him.

Viewer manipulation 101.”

I've re-watched the Linda Nolan intro and she didnt know Jim was going in. What she said was that she'd just had a bit of a hint from something that Emma said or happened just before she came out, that someone she didnt like was going to be in the house. Emma said "I don't know what you mean". Then later on Emma said "We did hear you say that you hoped Jim Davidson isn't in there". Linda replied questioningly "He is isn't he?". Emma then said "No, theres nobody in there". Then Emma said "We're doing things a little differently this year." then eventually introduced Jim Davidson who had been waiting in the wings. He was interviewed first and told to go down some nearby stairs. He came out after Emma introduced him. Linda was shocked and surprised but hugged him. So I don't think she had any forewarned inside knowledge that JD was going to be in there. Only as much information as us lot did.
tq21
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“Why? The psyche show is pretty revealing.”

I agree, while most of the other BBOTS shows are really just a pathetic excuse for z list celebs to give their opinion, the psych show is usually pretty good, psychologists are trained to read people and while it's not an exact science it's usually pretty interesting to get their take on things. At least when they say something they back it up with examples not just the usual "I like HM X & I hate HM Y"
AMS13
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“There are other things he's done outside that were not compassionate or empathetic, domestic violence has been mentioned, sexism, racism.
I think it's only fair to judge by what goes on inside the house.
Linda felt his constant mocking and chipping at her was his attempt to isolate her.”

You cannot psycho-analyse a person based on what they do over 30 minutes in a 24 hour day. If you wish to psycho-analyse a person, then you must bring everything into the equation. To say somebody is sociopathic, because it is the buzz word of the day, without understanding what it means, ends up having to defend yourself in Court.

Will I end up in court defending myself 'saying that perhaps Linda has more traits of a narcistic personality disorder than Jim', who knows. I have tried to explain and give reasons to substantiate my explanation why I do not believe Jim is sociopathic, including the fact that a sociopath does not feel empathy, but they can show empathy, substantiating this with not only his behaviour in the House, but also the work he does in his private life.
ruffle
27-01-2014
No he is not in my opinion but Louisa ticks a few of the boxes as did hazel from the summer bb
Bowdon
27-01-2014
Originally Posted by LykkieLi:
“Lees a prat but Luisa is entertaining.
Of course Jim went for the jugular, he was pissed off that he couldn't get Linda onside and the she was more popular with the other HMs so he hurt her where it counts. He's a master manipulator and the GBP have been duped.”

I agree he went for the jugular, and that what he said was going too far. But to make out that there was no provocation isn't true.
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