I think most of us who saw it as a joke would agree with you, it is the irrational, hysterical accusations from some posters that are completely inappropriate.

I have no particular feelings about Jim one way or the other. However, on this topic, I used to work with a man of about Jim's age that used to come out with comments like this to the young ladies in the office all the time, all dressed up as humour. It made us all very uncomfortable, and seemed inappropriate. However, should Casey feel uncomfortable with it it is up to her to address it.

The one word answer is YES

in that setting - no-one in their right mind wouldn't agree that that kind of behaviour is absolutely wrong and not acceptable in an office environment.

Jim's a comedian,in the BB house, he knows how to gauge people and a setting and appropriateness , and he knew Casey would find his jokes funny, so in context Jim was joking

At the same time they aren't alone in the house, we... the observers are observing all of this, and if any observer also feels uncomfortable with it than it's up to them in the same way.

And seeing as this is a discussion forum it would make sense for the observer to express in this proper context.

Or, are only expressions that agree with the majority allowed?

Note none of the Jim bashers give a damn about mentioning Luisa pulling Dapps towel away to have a peek at his babies arm! Why's that, cause they're one sided and full of shit that's why!

Fair comment, I suppose my point was that if Casey felt uncomfortable with it she would raise it. I'm not defending this type of behaviour, lewd comments, innuendo, I've been on the receiving end as many women have been and I found it very uncomfortable. But I would like to think that Casey, if she felt she was being harassed, would raise it as an issue.

Because they are young? you pass a certain age and anything you do is a taboo.

But so what if it's his humour?

What is the logic supposed to be? That no one's humour can ever be objectionable in any way? That as soon as you "get" someone's humour, you automatically think there's nothing objectionable about it?

I'd like to see someone explain why it being a "joke" or "his humour" is enough to make it perfectly ok. So far, I haven't seen anyone even try. Instead, there are statements that it was a "joke", as if that's all that's needed, plus overt and sly attacks on forum members who found it questionable.

The voice of reason

If the word 'daughter' hadn't been used in Jim's 'joke' I would have let it go. But it was the use of the word that made me feel ill at the thought!

Fair enough, but it was meant just a twisted form of dark 'humour' and sooo not to be taken literally. Granted not everyone will see a weirdly uneasy funny side to what he said, but he wasn't being serious. And anyone who thinks he was should have a long hard look at themselves in a mirror as ask "why the hell do I take everything so damn seriously".

That didn't stop him from crossing some lines in Hell's Kitchen, though. That he knows the limits on tv doesn't mean he'll necessarily never exceed them, not even inadvertently.


I think the point some, at least, are making is that it's bad enough as humour and doesn't need to be anything "more" to be objectionable.



It doesn't have to be taken literally or seriously to be seen as objectionable either.

My sentiments exactly, i don't see how "it's a joke" is some kind of excuse for everything, as if nothing can be inappropriate if it's "a joke". People can't feel something is inappropriate because it's under the guise of "just a joke".

Hypothetically, If someone put on "black face" as a joke with say chocolate to imitate another housemate who was black, would that be completely excused where no one was allowed to feel it was inappropriate because "it's a joke"?

This actually happened in another TV show, and "it's a joke" didn't go over so well.

And in my humble opinion you have every right to feel that way as an observer.

It's all a case of different strokes for different folks and never the twain shall meet!

I am entitled to find Jim's jokes offensive.

I am entitled to voice the fact they offend.

No one is entitled to castigate me for it.

But why is spreading your face with chocolate or anything offensive? I know what you're saying but if someone floured up their face I wouldn't take offense! There's really nothing to be offended by,,,is there?

that's your perrogative - who's castigating you ?

It was a private joke between him and Casey and she didn't seem to mind. If anyone gets offended because they imagine a father and a daughter having an incestuous affair then that is their imagination playing it out.

I get where you're coming from - but it was obviously a joke - you're not supposed to take it literally and it's all semantics really and think it was a kneejerk joke to be honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

That actually happened on another series, where a white girl in an attempt to imitate a black housemate as a joke, put chocolate on her face in a form of "blackface", and... she was absolutely destroyed. "It's a joke" didn't quite go over so well.

The point being just because it's under the premise that "it's a joke" doesn't mean that it couldn't be perceived as inappropriate.

If something affects a person directly then obviously they'll be more aware. But yeh, some people take offense, some don't. I think that's basically it.

Fair enough, yeh that person prob was destroyed by doing that. I just can't see why it would be offensive. I know how sensitive people are to that sort of thing but unless it was done in ridicule then why take offense?

No one personally, but its intimidating at times to express an opinion on here, but hey that doesnt stop me.

Well, did you take a look at the wikipedia article? There is a history and precedent concerning it.

I wasn't one of the people who was offended by it so i don't know the exact reasons why each person felt the way they did, but the point is what i felt about it isn't the absolute way to feel about.. I saw her as an innocent and naive girl that hasn't been around too many people different than herself (which she claimed) and made a silly error of judgement but just because i felt that way or took it that way doesn't make it absolute. Some of the black housemates and a few others were very offended by it and saw it as racist, etc. And alot of viewers didn't seem to take it kindly either.

Because "it's a joke" doesn't take away and dismiss how they feel, or took it.. or perceived it.

Just trying to say that "it's a joke" isn't some eraser of people's feelings, perceptions.. it doesn't excuse everything and make everything ok. Is all.