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Old 02-02-2014, 20:54
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I expect Bonnie to show up next year on The Jump.
I doubt that'll get a second series.
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Old 02-02-2014, 20:55
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So will Robin be missing for the next couple of weeks or is he not commentating on the Winter Olympics this year?
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Old 02-02-2014, 20:55
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Old 02-02-2014, 20:55
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Oh, eighties week next week,
What music do you think we will have?
I reckon wild boys could go to Ray
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Old 02-02-2014, 20:56
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She did = but they'll put Sam through
I'm not a Bonnie fan but that was very unfair.
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Old 02-02-2014, 20:56
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I doubt that'll get a second series.
Of course it will! It's that bad!
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Old 02-02-2014, 20:57
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Awwww, those were lovely comments by Bonnie. I believed every word she said unlike some of the others who are still in there.
Indeed, she seems like a lovely, genuine person. She will be missed on the show

How could Sam's basic routine be compared to what Bonnie did
I expect it was the missing pirouette that tipped the balance
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:01
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Its not even that fair. Kyran's most difficult move is his axel jump which he did. Sam's if anything better at dance steps, but the routine wasn't a dance routine. Ray's big move is his split jump - whhich he did. Beth didn't get one big lift she could do, but instead got simpler ones that Hayley can do. Suzanne can do lifts Ray can't, but she got none of them. Bonnie can do bigger lifts, but they got one gareth can do. The routines actually allowed 2 of the 4 winners to do better, and stopped the competitor looking better each time.
I know this is from a while ago, but I'm, reading on catch up, but this did catch my eye.

Kyran didn't do an axel jump - he did a flip jump. Still tricky, but nowhere near as difficult as an axel.

Suzanne has never been able to do jumps like Ray, AFAIK she can only really do a waltz jump (never seen her do anything else), but she can do the headbanger which she did in her 2nd skate. She can do spins so I don't know why they didn't put one in for her - though Ray does great spins too. tbh, it wouldn't matter what Suzanne did, Ray can do the essential skating better than anyone else.

I agree with Hayley & Beth - that was very much skewed towards hayley's strengths.

And the same for Gareth and Bonnie, it was chorepgraphed so Gareth looked much better.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:01
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Contrary to the views of many here I'm afraid I found Bonnie very irritating so not sorry to see her go! If only Ray would be next but that would need a miracle!
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:03
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I doubt that'll get a second series.
I'm enjoying it, mainly because I like Joe and Donal
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:05
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I think Gareth is a goner next week, they'll want the final 6 to be the 6 champions. A shame to see Bonnie go but I expected her to go once Gareth was saved, the duel is unfair in the aspect it punished Suzanne for being 2nd / 8 yet rewarded Gareth who was 8th / 8 by giving him an easier opponent. The judges were rather harsh on Beth and as a fan of both Hayley and Beth I thought their duel was choreographed to Hayley's strengths and Beth's weaknesses.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:06
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I'm not a Bonnie fan but that was very unfair.
I wasn't (didn't dislike her, just wasn't a fan) until tonight, when I found her so brilliant that I broke my rules and voted. Her 'body placement' made her a joy to watch.

I also think that not enough account was taken of her age, in having to skate 3 times! Well done to her!
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:07
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The judges voting this week was just stupid.
Two judges put a skater through against one judge. However Robin's vote put the skater through.
Bonkers !!!!
It should have been just 3 judges this week & without Robin
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:08
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I'll also miss predicting how many splits Bonnie does each routine, me and my mum always guessed before her performances how many times she'd do the splits during a routine. She did 9 I think on her save me skate just there. Any one else count the number of splits she does?
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:09
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I doubt she could do the basics as well and Suzanne's headbanger is a couple of stages above the basic ones Dan has done - though as she had Dan who specialises in simpler lifts, she couldn't show much in that line. Her added problem now is that her partner is a lot less powerful and shorter than Dan, or Matt, or Andrei, and she's taller and has more muscle mass than Suzanne. The whole point of the choregraph it yourself section was to create the most impressive routine she could. Its inherently going to produce biased results as some celebs are trained dancers, some have much more skating experience, and bigger moves in their kit bag, and some have partners who can't choregraph anything like as well as others. Beth drew the short straw this week - just as she got one of the three best pieces of choregraphy gifted to her last week.
With the right partner Beth has all the skills as a gymnast to do what Suzanne did. She could do jumps if she was trained too. And she has done very few solo spins this series, when she can do double spins. Her best skill have not been used. The choreography she is used too, was to enhance her best skills, in this competition, it seems to hold her back and force her to play to her weaknesses. The message is if you can sparkle and pull faces, let your partner do the work, you are brilliant.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:09
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I don't think this panel realises its the BS they are creating has killed this show dead. Controversial maybe I have never liked Robin the entire panel needed replacing during the louie spence year.
I think they negotiated their way through that mess in a reasonable way.

It should have been Beth and Sam in the skate off, with Sam going - as Beth has better routines from last year. It wasn't - because of the public vote . The competition was inherently unfair - as some pairs knew how to choreograph and some didn't. The skate off then was unfair as Bonnie didn't have as good a routine as the one she had written for herself - while Sam could show off his, limited, skills.

The duel results were pretty much fair - after you allowed for the choregraphy helping some poeple, and stopping others from doing something else they were better at. Its the imbalance in the choregraphy to produce the result - not the judging of it - thats wrong.

The problem is they have got rid of Bonnie when she's just shown what she can do - and its better than some still there. The shows future also looks clear. Beth will go out to Suzanne or Hayley. If Beth's vote stays up, it has to beat Hayley's for her to survive. Hayley v Suzanne will be for them to decide. Kyran and Sam are on borrowed time, and vulnerable to everyone else - errors and Robin allowing. They need Suzanne for spectacular moves, and want Hayley and Ray in the final. Hayley and Suzanne splitting the vote, makes it even more likely Ray will win.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:11
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:19
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:21
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I think they negotiated their way through that mess in a reasonable way.

It should have been Beth and Sam in the skate off, with Sam going - as Beth has better routines from last year. It wasn't - because of the public vote . The competition was inherently unfair - as some pairs knew how to choreograph and some didn't. The skate off then was unfair as Bonnie didn't have as good a routine as the one she had written for herself - while Sam could show off his, limited, skills.

The duel results were pretty much fair - after you allowed for the choregraphy helping some poeple, and stopping others from doing something else they were better at. Its the imbalance in the choregraphy to produce the result - not the judging of it - thats wrong.

The problem is they have got rid of Bonnie when she's just shown what she can do - and its better than some still there. The shows future also looks clear. Beth will go out to Suzanne or Hayley. If Beth's vote stays up, it has to beat Hayley's for her to survive. Hayley v Suzanne will be for them to decide. Kyran and Sam are on borrowed time, and vulnerable to everyone else - errors and Robin allowing. They need Suzanne for spectacular moves, and want Hayley and Ray in the final. Hayley and Suzanne splitting the vote, makes it even more likely Ray will win.
Beth SHOULD go out to Hayley or Suzanne - she is good but very much third female now. You simply cannot ignore that her performance lets her down. I don't buy that it was made for Hayley tonight - Beth could have tried but just can't act on ice. That's a part that's very important.

Of course you don't know what will happen as neither of the 3 girls have been in trouble yet.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:22
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The judges voting this week was just stupid.
Two judges put a skater through against one judge. However Robin's vote put the skater through.
Bonkers !!!!
It should have been just 3 judges this week & without Robin
Why Robin? He's an ice dancer; out of the entire panel his experience is only beaten by Karen, who danced as a couple. If anyone should have been ruled out it's either Jason or Ashley.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:35
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I know this is from a while ago, but I'm, reading on catch up, but this did catch my eye.

Kyran didn't do an axel jump - he did a flip jump. Still tricky, but nowhere near as difficult as an axel.

Suzanne has never been able to do jumps like Ray, AFAIK she can only really do a waltz jump (never seen her do anything else), but she can do the headbanger which she did in her 2nd skate. She can do spins so I don't know why they didn't put one in for her - though Ray does great spins too. tbh, it wouldn't matter what Suzanne did, Ray can do the essential skating better than anyone else.

I agree with Hayley & Beth - that was very much skewed towards hayley's strengths.

And the same for Gareth and Bonnie, it was chorepgraphed so Gareth looked much better.
Thanks - I just caught a jump flashing by that looked rather special....If he can still do it, that leaves the axel in Kyran's kit bag.

I think the Ray v Suzanne thing depends on whether they emphasise his strengths or hers in the routine(s) She just needs a bigger advantage from the routine - because he's good at most things and the basic skating. They can both dance and act - i think she's a bit better at the acting, and they split the dancing depending on what it is. She can do bigger lifts than he can put up though.

Its unknown how repeating the same moves will go down, or who has what new ones to deploy. If he's doing the same jump, and she's doing the full version headbanger too often, its going to lose its impact. Not sure either how many, similar tempo, similar theme, dance routines Hayley can do before she looks old hat too. Give Suzanne the right music, story, and dance and enough dramatic moves, and she's competitive on emotional content which is about all any female can do against Ray. Her problem is she's not been getting complete, strong, routines half the time, she's trying too much difficulty sometimes, and and she's been a bit too error prone on her big moves. Hayley, meanwhile, after her first week, has been fed routines that are right up her street, and has added some difficulty over and above what she did on her series, without taking the risks Suzanne has.
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Old 02-02-2014, 21:48
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Beth SHOULD go out to Hayley or Suzanne - she is good but very much third female now. You simply cannot ignore that her performance lets her down. I don't buy that it was made for Hayley tonight - Beth could have tried but just can't act on ice. That's a part that's very important.

Of course you don't know what will happen as neither of the 3 girls have been in trouble yet.
But the point was that they gave Hayley and Bonnie an acting and dancing heavy routine. If they had given them one that required faster skating, or bigger lifts, or allowed Beth to do some of her gymnastics positions, she would look relatively better. The actor is always going to look better with that routine - its not a routine Beth should attempt. If they had paired Bonnie against Hayley, it looks different again. Bonnie is a more successful actor and dancer, and even more supple, and can do bigger lifts.

I think we now know what will happen if Beth comes up against Hayley. Hayley has stronger dance routines available for a dance off, but Beth might have survived if her skating won the skater's deciding vote. Tonight all the judges went for Hayley - ignoring her basic skating. Kyran v Sam became more unknowable. Suzanne v Hayley always has depended on the routines and, probably, who the producers want.
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Old 02-02-2014, 22:26
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It's all getting really boring now I think - everything everyone does is predictable.
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Old 02-02-2014, 22:26
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How did Hayley win the duel when she nearly tripped up? She made an obvious mistake.
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Old 02-02-2014, 22:36
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