Originally Posted by Puca:
“Can I make an underrated story topic as well?”
“Can I make an underrated story topic as well?”
good idea
Most overrated stories?
2 of 4
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“good idea”
“good idea”
Fill yer boots!
Started a thread ages ago with that idea, but don't know how to link to it as I'm a technological idiot, so a fresh thread post Season 7 would be cool.
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“Fill yer boots!
Started a thread ages ago with that idea, but don't know how to link to it as I'm a technological idiot, so a fresh thread post Season 7 would be cool.”
“Fill yer boots!
Started a thread ages ago with that idea, but don't know how to link to it as I'm a technological idiot, so a fresh thread post Season 7 would be cool.”
Done - consider me your techno friend!
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...9#post71270539
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“Done - consider me your techno friend!
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...9#post71270539”
“Done - consider me your techno friend!
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...9#post71270539”
Was new to forums and trying my hand at starting a thread. Not a very catchy thread title, is it!
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
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Was new to forums and trying my hand at starting a thread. Not a very catchy thread title, is it!”
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Was new to forums and trying my hand at starting a thread. Not a very catchy thread title, is it!
”
Bit of a mouthful
Now, I just look forward to someone criticising me for bumping an old thread ....
Classic Who: The Caves of Androzani
New Who: The Eleventh Hour
Strangely, both are regeneration-linked!
New Who: The Eleventh Hour
Strangely, both are regeneration-linked!
1)Genesis Of The Daleks-Great Terry Nation actually done something different with this story but when it's all stripped back it is just another Dalek story with recycled ideas, though Michael Wisher was good as Davros off course
2)Talons Of Weng-Chiang- Overlong and I just don't enjoy this story. Very cliched throughout and doesn't really get anywhere near likeable until the last episode
3)Vincent And The Doctor-Dull, tedious, the ultimate snorefest that is symptomatic of a lot of Series 5. Just really, really, really boring. If I can't sleep at night, I just put this episode on and it does the trick.
2)Talons Of Weng-Chiang- Overlong and I just don't enjoy this story. Very cliched throughout and doesn't really get anywhere near likeable until the last episode
3)Vincent And The Doctor-Dull, tedious, the ultimate snorefest that is symptomatic of a lot of Series 5. Just really, really, really boring. If I can't sleep at night, I just put this episode on and it does the trick.
Hmm, most overrated stories?
The Christmas Invasion, by Russell T Davies
Series 2, Christmas Special
For some reason this episode was long considered the pinnacle of the RTD Era Christmas specials. People criticised the third series Christmas special, The Runaway Bride, for being too similar. It might have been, but off the back of its own merits it was a far better episode of Doctor Who - this one hardly had any Doctor in it at all, and was a pretty bog-standard rehash of several contemporary Earth stories from the first series. As a side note, perhaps its my general disinterest in the Tenth Doctor but I didn't care for the guy when he was antagonising and deposing Harriet Jones...a character I absolutely loved.
The Girl in the Fireplace, by Steven Moffat
Series 2, Episode 4
It looks absolutely stunning, the score is superb, it had some wonderful ideas thrown in and Sophia Myles was a highlight of the second series. But the character writing is just totally off, to the point it is frustrating. The Ten/Rose dynamic was never more cringe-worthy, Mickey really did feel like far too much of a spare part and got in the way and the whole thing ended up being horribly awkward in places. And for some reason the episode just leaves a cold feeling, like much of the Moffat era does as well. It's a decent episode in places, but too embarrassingly written in others to forgive.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood, by Paul Cornell
Series 3, Episodes 8 and 9
These are very, very good episodes. A decent supporting cast, a wonderful idea at the heart of the plot and a nice rural escapade to challenge the oft-urban RTD Era norm. But I think it does have its flaws - it was really where the unrequited love story began going overboard in the third series, and it was a bit of a shame that we never got to see the true form of the Family. The Jack Straws were also a wonderful, scary concept that went totally wasted too. Again, very decent episodes and very well written but also I feel a tad overrated and I'm not even sure if it couldn't have been told in a single part - maybe not for the emotional resonance, but then there's a lot I'd have cut from the story too.
Blink, by Steven Moffat
Series 3, Episode 10
Another absolutely fantastic story from the third series, but another which I feel is often remembered through rose-tinted spectacles. The problem with this one is how much it relies on the jump-factor, and how that is totally diminished with rewatches. Once you know the plot as well the sense of intrigue goes away, and you're left with little more than the cool concept of the angels and the very wonderful Carey Mulligan - both not bad things, but it seems odd that this is Moffat's big success story that people want to see bested.
Utopia, by Russell T Davies
Series 3, Episode 11
So it seems a fair bit of the third series was overrated in my opinion, but once again this is a very decent episode. I do think however that those final 5-10 minutes often make up for the fact that the rest of the episode was very dragged out with overdone exposition that could have carried over into the following episode (it would have given Jack's return more purpose) and the Welsh quarry concept was all too obvious here in places. Derek Jacobi was outstanding though, so it'll always rank as at least a decent episode to me.
The Waters of Mars, by Russell T Davies and Phil Ford
The Tenth Doctor Specials
This is usually considered the highlight of the rather poor Specials year that bid farewell to David Tennant. Although it is hard to contest its ranking, I still don't think it stands up as a particularly great episode. In some part that is due to the fact that the initially scary water zombies are utterly diminished by ridiculous looking scenes of them running down corridors and overly-CG'd shots of them spraying water from their mouths like a burst hydrant. It also doesn't help that the episode's conclusion teased an interesting plot concept in the 'Timelord Victorious' but this was not ever explored in the following two-part Tennant finale, nor do I think Tennant was particularly convincing in these scenes - it was very hammy and overdone. The saving grace of the episode was the supporting cast, particularly the wonderful Lindsay Duncan. But there's little else to write home about here.
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, by Steven Moffat
Series 6, Episodes 1 and 2
I was so let down with this story from the beginning, and was disappointed to see it only get worse as the sixth series went on. Killing the Doctor in the first ten minutes is a bold move, but we ultiately know he's going to get out of it. That the story wasn't confined to the two-parter was a bolder move that didn't pay off for me. The fact that the eventual resolution in the all-too-short Series 6 finale didn't pay off either meant that this story does very little for me. It was a nice showcase for footage of Utah, but little else.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, by Chris Chibnall
Series 7, Episode 2
Opinion on this episode seems to have shot through the roof over time, and I'm not really sure why. It's great that people can love different things of course, it's just peculiar that I still consider this as one of the poorest episodes from Doctor Who. The villain wasn't sufficiently fleshed out, nor were the supporting characters - Nefertiti was frankly an insult and a wasted opportunity. Rory's Dad was a wonderful addition, but being introduced within weeks of the Pond's demise makes it clear the characters are only here to serve the story, rather than the story serving the characters. The title of the episode takes inspiration from 'Snakes on a Plane'...two different ideas wedged together. Here that is utilised in a very style-over-substance way and makes for a plodding story that I really couldn't give two figs about.
The Snowmen, by Steven Moffat
Series 7 Christmas Special II
A decent enough episode, but one that doesn't actually leave much of an impression. It wedges the Clara/Oswin story back in far too jarringly, the plot begins to drag towards the end, whilst the stropping Eleventh Doctor seems very bizarrely written too. And although not addressed in the episode directly, Strax's return from the dead was poorly done.
The Bells of Saint John, by Steven Moffat
Series 7, Episode 6
I believe this episode is quite well liked, but it's full of plot holes and contrivances that are very difficult to overlook. We get flashy scenes of motorbikes driving up The Shard, but can only afford to spend thirty seconds on the confrontation between The Doctor and his foe. There wasn't very much I liked about this episode at all, and for all the 'urban thriller' it was being teased as, it wasn't actually very thrilling at all.
The Day of the Doctor, by Steven Moffat
The 50th Anniversary Specials
The anniversary was very well received, but I feel it is among the most overrated stories we've ever seen. It re-establishes the accepted set of events from the past eight years of the show, whilst essentially disregarding the first forty-two of them. The Moment was brilliantly played by Billie Piper but was a wasted opportunity to see some former companions, the Zygon sub-plot was dull and dreary and didn't parallel with the Time War story like I think it was supposed to be, and the War Doctor convoluted the regenerations despite being played by the brilliant John Hurt. It was a good episode, but nothing more to me.
The Christmas Invasion, by Russell T Davies
Series 2, Christmas Special
For some reason this episode was long considered the pinnacle of the RTD Era Christmas specials. People criticised the third series Christmas special, The Runaway Bride, for being too similar. It might have been, but off the back of its own merits it was a far better episode of Doctor Who - this one hardly had any Doctor in it at all, and was a pretty bog-standard rehash of several contemporary Earth stories from the first series. As a side note, perhaps its my general disinterest in the Tenth Doctor but I didn't care for the guy when he was antagonising and deposing Harriet Jones...a character I absolutely loved.
The Girl in the Fireplace, by Steven Moffat
Series 2, Episode 4
It looks absolutely stunning, the score is superb, it had some wonderful ideas thrown in and Sophia Myles was a highlight of the second series. But the character writing is just totally off, to the point it is frustrating. The Ten/Rose dynamic was never more cringe-worthy, Mickey really did feel like far too much of a spare part and got in the way and the whole thing ended up being horribly awkward in places. And for some reason the episode just leaves a cold feeling, like much of the Moffat era does as well. It's a decent episode in places, but too embarrassingly written in others to forgive.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood, by Paul Cornell
Series 3, Episodes 8 and 9
These are very, very good episodes. A decent supporting cast, a wonderful idea at the heart of the plot and a nice rural escapade to challenge the oft-urban RTD Era norm. But I think it does have its flaws - it was really where the unrequited love story began going overboard in the third series, and it was a bit of a shame that we never got to see the true form of the Family. The Jack Straws were also a wonderful, scary concept that went totally wasted too. Again, very decent episodes and very well written but also I feel a tad overrated and I'm not even sure if it couldn't have been told in a single part - maybe not for the emotional resonance, but then there's a lot I'd have cut from the story too.
Blink, by Steven Moffat
Series 3, Episode 10
Another absolutely fantastic story from the third series, but another which I feel is often remembered through rose-tinted spectacles. The problem with this one is how much it relies on the jump-factor, and how that is totally diminished with rewatches. Once you know the plot as well the sense of intrigue goes away, and you're left with little more than the cool concept of the angels and the very wonderful Carey Mulligan - both not bad things, but it seems odd that this is Moffat's big success story that people want to see bested.
Utopia, by Russell T Davies
Series 3, Episode 11
So it seems a fair bit of the third series was overrated in my opinion, but once again this is a very decent episode. I do think however that those final 5-10 minutes often make up for the fact that the rest of the episode was very dragged out with overdone exposition that could have carried over into the following episode (it would have given Jack's return more purpose) and the Welsh quarry concept was all too obvious here in places. Derek Jacobi was outstanding though, so it'll always rank as at least a decent episode to me.
The Waters of Mars, by Russell T Davies and Phil Ford
The Tenth Doctor Specials
This is usually considered the highlight of the rather poor Specials year that bid farewell to David Tennant. Although it is hard to contest its ranking, I still don't think it stands up as a particularly great episode. In some part that is due to the fact that the initially scary water zombies are utterly diminished by ridiculous looking scenes of them running down corridors and overly-CG'd shots of them spraying water from their mouths like a burst hydrant. It also doesn't help that the episode's conclusion teased an interesting plot concept in the 'Timelord Victorious' but this was not ever explored in the following two-part Tennant finale, nor do I think Tennant was particularly convincing in these scenes - it was very hammy and overdone. The saving grace of the episode was the supporting cast, particularly the wonderful Lindsay Duncan. But there's little else to write home about here.
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, by Steven Moffat
Series 6, Episodes 1 and 2
I was so let down with this story from the beginning, and was disappointed to see it only get worse as the sixth series went on. Killing the Doctor in the first ten minutes is a bold move, but we ultiately know he's going to get out of it. That the story wasn't confined to the two-parter was a bolder move that didn't pay off for me. The fact that the eventual resolution in the all-too-short Series 6 finale didn't pay off either meant that this story does very little for me. It was a nice showcase for footage of Utah, but little else.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, by Chris Chibnall
Series 7, Episode 2
Opinion on this episode seems to have shot through the roof over time, and I'm not really sure why. It's great that people can love different things of course, it's just peculiar that I still consider this as one of the poorest episodes from Doctor Who. The villain wasn't sufficiently fleshed out, nor were the supporting characters - Nefertiti was frankly an insult and a wasted opportunity. Rory's Dad was a wonderful addition, but being introduced within weeks of the Pond's demise makes it clear the characters are only here to serve the story, rather than the story serving the characters. The title of the episode takes inspiration from 'Snakes on a Plane'...two different ideas wedged together. Here that is utilised in a very style-over-substance way and makes for a plodding story that I really couldn't give two figs about.
The Snowmen, by Steven Moffat
Series 7 Christmas Special II
A decent enough episode, but one that doesn't actually leave much of an impression. It wedges the Clara/Oswin story back in far too jarringly, the plot begins to drag towards the end, whilst the stropping Eleventh Doctor seems very bizarrely written too. And although not addressed in the episode directly, Strax's return from the dead was poorly done.
The Bells of Saint John, by Steven Moffat
Series 7, Episode 6
I believe this episode is quite well liked, but it's full of plot holes and contrivances that are very difficult to overlook. We get flashy scenes of motorbikes driving up The Shard, but can only afford to spend thirty seconds on the confrontation between The Doctor and his foe. There wasn't very much I liked about this episode at all, and for all the 'urban thriller' it was being teased as, it wasn't actually very thrilling at all.
The Day of the Doctor, by Steven Moffat
The 50th Anniversary Specials
The anniversary was very well received, but I feel it is among the most overrated stories we've ever seen. It re-establishes the accepted set of events from the past eight years of the show, whilst essentially disregarding the first forty-two of them. The Moment was brilliantly played by Billie Piper but was a wasted opportunity to see some former companions, the Zygon sub-plot was dull and dreary and didn't parallel with the Time War story like I think it was supposed to be, and the War Doctor convoluted the regenerations despite being played by the brilliant John Hurt. It was a good episode, but nothing more to me.
with regard to girl in the fireplace, I love the episode and almost everything about it, but it does strike me as a little odd that the rest of that series makes out that he and rose are in love, yet on that particular one, madame du pompadour turn's his head and he's suddenly a bit like 'rose who?'. Then as soon as madame du pompadour is dead he's all close with rose again. I think the doctor's a bit of a player on the quiet
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Hmm, most overrated stories?
The Christmas Invasion, by Russell T Davies
Series 2, Christmas Special
For some reason this episode was long considered the pinnacle of the RTD Era Christmas specials. People criticised the third series Christmas special, The Runaway Bride, for being too similar. It might have been, but off the back of its own merits it was a far better episode of Doctor Who - this one hardly had any Doctor in it at all, and was a pretty bog-standard rehash of several contemporary Earth stories from the first series. As a side note, perhaps its my general disinterest in the Tenth Doctor but I didn't care for the guy when he was antagonising and deposing Harriet Jones...a character I absolutely loved.
The Girl in the Fireplace, by Steven Moffat
Series 2, Episode 4
It looks absolutely stunning, the score is superb, it had some wonderful ideas thrown in and Sophia Myles was a highlight of the second series. But the character writing is just totally off, to the point it is frustrating. The Ten/Rose dynamic was never more cringe-worthy, Mickey really did feel like far too much of a spare part and got in the way and the whole thing ended up being horribly awkward in places. And for some reason the episode just leaves a cold feeling, like much of the Moffat era does as well. It's a decent episode in places, but too embarrassingly written in others to forgive.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood, by Paul Cornell
Series 3, Episodes 8 and 9
These are very, very good episodes. A decent supporting cast, a wonderful idea at the heart of the plot and a nice rural escapade to challenge the oft-urban RTD Era norm. But I think it does have its flaws - it was really where the unrequited love story began going overboard in the third series, and it was a bit of a shame that we never got to see the true form of the Family. The Jack Straws were also a wonderful, scary concept that went totally wasted too. Again, very decent episodes and very well written but also I feel a tad overrated and I'm not even sure if it couldn't have been told in a single part - maybe not for the emotional resonance, but then there's a lot I'd have cut from the story too.
Blink, by Steven Moffat
Series 3, Episode 10
Another absolutely fantastic story from the third series, but another which I feel is often remembered through rose-tinted spectacles. The problem with this one is how much it relies on the jump-factor, and how that is totally diminished with rewatches. Once you know the plot as well the sense of intrigue goes away, and you're left with little more than the cool concept of the angels and the very wonderful Carey Mulligan - both not bad things, but it seems odd that this is Moffat's big success story that people want to see bested.
Utopia, by Russell T Davies
Series 3, Episode 11
So it seems a fair bit of the third series was overrated in my opinion, but once again this is a very decent episode. I do think however that those final 5-10 minutes often make up for the fact that the rest of the episode was very dragged out with overdone exposition that could have carried over into the following episode (it would have given Jack's return more purpose) and the Welsh quarry concept was all too obvious here in places. Derek Jacobi was outstanding though, so it'll always rank as at least a decent episode to me.
The Waters of Mars, by Russell T Davies and Phil Ford
The Tenth Doctor Specials
This is usually considered the highlight of the rather poor Specials year that bid farewell to David Tennant. Although it is hard to contest its ranking, I still don't think it stands up as a particularly great episode. In some part that is due to the fact that the initially scary water zombies are utterly diminished by ridiculous looking scenes of them running down corridors and overly-CG'd shots of them spraying water from their mouths like a burst hydrant. It also doesn't help that the episode's conclusion teased an interesting plot concept in the 'Timelord Victorious' but this was not ever explored in the following two-part Tennant finale, nor do I think Tennant was particularly convincing in these scenes - it was very hammy and overdone. The saving grace of the episode was the supporting cast, particularly the wonderful Lindsay Duncan. But there's little else to write home about here.
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, by Steven Moffat
Series 6, Episodes 1 and 2
I was so let down with this story from the beginning, and was disappointed to see it only get worse as the sixth series went on. Killing the Doctor in the first ten minutes is a bold move, but we ultiately know he's going to get out of it. That the story wasn't confined to the two-parter was a bolder move that didn't pay off for me. The fact that the eventual resolution in the all-too-short Series 6 finale didn't pay off either meant that this story does very little for me. It was a nice showcase for footage of Utah, but little else.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, by Chris Chibnall
Series 7, Episode 2
Opinion on this episode seems to have shot through the roof over time, and I'm not really sure why. It's great that people can love different things of course, it's just peculiar that I still consider this as one of the poorest episodes from Doctor Who. The villain wasn't sufficiently fleshed out, nor were the supporting characters - Nefertiti was frankly an insult and a wasted opportunity. Rory's Dad was a wonderful addition, but being introduced within weeks of the Pond's demise makes it clear the characters are only here to serve the story, rather than the story serving the characters. The title of the episode takes inspiration from 'Snakes on a Plane'...two different ideas wedged together. Here that is utilised in a very style-over-substance way and makes for a plodding story that I really couldn't give two figs about.
The Snowmen, by Steven Moffat
Series 7 Christmas Special II
A decent enough episode, but one that doesn't actually leave much of an impression. It wedges the Clara/Oswin story back in far too jarringly, the plot begins to drag towards the end, whilst the stropping Eleventh Doctor seems very bizarrely written too. And although not addressed in the episode directly, Strax's return from the dead was poorly done.
The Bells of Saint John, by Steven Moffat
Series 7, Episode 6
I believe this episode is quite well liked, but it's full of plot holes and contrivances that are very difficult to overlook. We get flashy scenes of motorbikes driving up The Shard, but can only afford to spend thirty seconds on the confrontation between The Doctor and his foe. There wasn't very much I liked about this episode at all, and for all the 'urban thriller' it was being teased as, it wasn't actually very thrilling at all.
The Day of the Doctor, by Steven Moffat
The 50th Anniversary Specials
The anniversary was very well received, but I feel it is among the most overrated stories we've ever seen. It re-establishes the accepted set of events from the past eight years of the show, whilst essentially disregarding the first forty-two of them. The Moment was brilliantly played by Billie Piper but was a wasted opportunity to see some former companions, the Zygon sub-plot was dull and dreary and didn't parallel with the Time War story like I think it was supposed to be, and the War Doctor convoluted the regenerations despite being played by the brilliant John Hurt. It was a good episode, but nothing more to me.”
“Hmm, most overrated stories?
The Christmas Invasion, by Russell T Davies
Series 2, Christmas Special
For some reason this episode was long considered the pinnacle of the RTD Era Christmas specials. People criticised the third series Christmas special, The Runaway Bride, for being too similar. It might have been, but off the back of its own merits it was a far better episode of Doctor Who - this one hardly had any Doctor in it at all, and was a pretty bog-standard rehash of several contemporary Earth stories from the first series. As a side note, perhaps its my general disinterest in the Tenth Doctor but I didn't care for the guy when he was antagonising and deposing Harriet Jones...a character I absolutely loved.
The Girl in the Fireplace, by Steven Moffat
Series 2, Episode 4
It looks absolutely stunning, the score is superb, it had some wonderful ideas thrown in and Sophia Myles was a highlight of the second series. But the character writing is just totally off, to the point it is frustrating. The Ten/Rose dynamic was never more cringe-worthy, Mickey really did feel like far too much of a spare part and got in the way and the whole thing ended up being horribly awkward in places. And for some reason the episode just leaves a cold feeling, like much of the Moffat era does as well. It's a decent episode in places, but too embarrassingly written in others to forgive.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood, by Paul Cornell
Series 3, Episodes 8 and 9
These are very, very good episodes. A decent supporting cast, a wonderful idea at the heart of the plot and a nice rural escapade to challenge the oft-urban RTD Era norm. But I think it does have its flaws - it was really where the unrequited love story began going overboard in the third series, and it was a bit of a shame that we never got to see the true form of the Family. The Jack Straws were also a wonderful, scary concept that went totally wasted too. Again, very decent episodes and very well written but also I feel a tad overrated and I'm not even sure if it couldn't have been told in a single part - maybe not for the emotional resonance, but then there's a lot I'd have cut from the story too.
Blink, by Steven Moffat
Series 3, Episode 10
Another absolutely fantastic story from the third series, but another which I feel is often remembered through rose-tinted spectacles. The problem with this one is how much it relies on the jump-factor, and how that is totally diminished with rewatches. Once you know the plot as well the sense of intrigue goes away, and you're left with little more than the cool concept of the angels and the very wonderful Carey Mulligan - both not bad things, but it seems odd that this is Moffat's big success story that people want to see bested.
Utopia, by Russell T Davies
Series 3, Episode 11
So it seems a fair bit of the third series was overrated in my opinion, but once again this is a very decent episode. I do think however that those final 5-10 minutes often make up for the fact that the rest of the episode was very dragged out with overdone exposition that could have carried over into the following episode (it would have given Jack's return more purpose) and the Welsh quarry concept was all too obvious here in places. Derek Jacobi was outstanding though, so it'll always rank as at least a decent episode to me.
The Waters of Mars, by Russell T Davies and Phil Ford
The Tenth Doctor Specials
This is usually considered the highlight of the rather poor Specials year that bid farewell to David Tennant. Although it is hard to contest its ranking, I still don't think it stands up as a particularly great episode. In some part that is due to the fact that the initially scary water zombies are utterly diminished by ridiculous looking scenes of them running down corridors and overly-CG'd shots of them spraying water from their mouths like a burst hydrant. It also doesn't help that the episode's conclusion teased an interesting plot concept in the 'Timelord Victorious' but this was not ever explored in the following two-part Tennant finale, nor do I think Tennant was particularly convincing in these scenes - it was very hammy and overdone. The saving grace of the episode was the supporting cast, particularly the wonderful Lindsay Duncan. But there's little else to write home about here.
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, by Steven Moffat
Series 6, Episodes 1 and 2
I was so let down with this story from the beginning, and was disappointed to see it only get worse as the sixth series went on. Killing the Doctor in the first ten minutes is a bold move, but we ultiately know he's going to get out of it. That the story wasn't confined to the two-parter was a bolder move that didn't pay off for me. The fact that the eventual resolution in the all-too-short Series 6 finale didn't pay off either meant that this story does very little for me. It was a nice showcase for footage of Utah, but little else.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, by Chris Chibnall
Series 7, Episode 2
Opinion on this episode seems to have shot through the roof over time, and I'm not really sure why. It's great that people can love different things of course, it's just peculiar that I still consider this as one of the poorest episodes from Doctor Who. The villain wasn't sufficiently fleshed out, nor were the supporting characters - Nefertiti was frankly an insult and a wasted opportunity. Rory's Dad was a wonderful addition, but being introduced within weeks of the Pond's demise makes it clear the characters are only here to serve the story, rather than the story serving the characters. The title of the episode takes inspiration from 'Snakes on a Plane'...two different ideas wedged together. Here that is utilised in a very style-over-substance way and makes for a plodding story that I really couldn't give two figs about.
The Snowmen, by Steven Moffat
Series 7 Christmas Special II
A decent enough episode, but one that doesn't actually leave much of an impression. It wedges the Clara/Oswin story back in far too jarringly, the plot begins to drag towards the end, whilst the stropping Eleventh Doctor seems very bizarrely written too. And although not addressed in the episode directly, Strax's return from the dead was poorly done.
The Bells of Saint John, by Steven Moffat
Series 7, Episode 6
I believe this episode is quite well liked, but it's full of plot holes and contrivances that are very difficult to overlook. We get flashy scenes of motorbikes driving up The Shard, but can only afford to spend thirty seconds on the confrontation between The Doctor and his foe. There wasn't very much I liked about this episode at all, and for all the 'urban thriller' it was being teased as, it wasn't actually very thrilling at all.
The Day of the Doctor, by Steven Moffat
The 50th Anniversary Specials
The anniversary was very well received, but I feel it is among the most overrated stories we've ever seen. It re-establishes the accepted set of events from the past eight years of the show, whilst essentially disregarding the first forty-two of them. The Moment was brilliantly played by Billie Piper but was a wasted opportunity to see some former companions, the Zygon sub-plot was dull and dreary and didn't parallel with the Time War story like I think it was supposed to be, and the War Doctor convoluted the regenerations despite being played by the brilliant John Hurt. It was a good episode, but nothing more to me.”
Comprehensive list there Abomination. Persoanlly I do still have rose tinted spectacles about Blink, Girl in the fireplace, Human nature/family of blood, utopia, waters of mars, impossible astronoaut/ day of the moon, DOTD.
Personally - I can't bring myself to watch Dinosaurs on a spaceship or that one with Agatha Christie/flying wasp/alien thing that attacked Donna.
I would have said Dalek, but that story does have a major bonus that elevates it.
I think The Unquiet Dead. Although as a horror fan I do like most of Mark Gatiis writing, this one of my least favourite episodes from S1, and I much preferred RTD's stories. Also I'm not keen on a lot 2013 episodes
I think The Unquiet Dead. Although as a horror fan I do like most of Mark Gatiis writing, this one of my least favourite episodes from S1, and I much preferred RTD's stories. Also I'm not keen on a lot 2013 episodes
For me, it's Earthshock. Total hype and shock value over substance.
Also, pretty much all multi-Doctor stories, including Day of the Doctor. I just don't think it's that good a story idea.
I have never understood the fuss over Kinda and Snakedance either.
Also, pretty much all multi-Doctor stories, including Day of the Doctor. I just don't think it's that good a story idea.
I have never understood the fuss over Kinda and Snakedance either.
These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani
Originally Posted by bp2:
“These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani”
“These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani”
For Earthshock, see my comment above. All of the others I'd say are at least 8 out of 10 and fine examples of Doctor Who (well, Terror of the Zygons I always found a bit boring). Inferno I would say I consider slightly overrated only because it is often talked of as the best third Doctor story and I don't really agree with that.
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“For Earthshock, see my comment above. All of the others I'd say are at least 8 out of 10 and fine examples of Doctor Who (well, Terror of the Zygons I always found a bit boring).”
“For Earthshock, see my comment above. All of the others I'd say are at least 8 out of 10 and fine examples of Doctor Who (well, Terror of the Zygons I always found a bit boring).”
I would say Pyramids, Deadly Assassin (except for the train bit) and City of Death are extremely overrated out of that list. (I can't rate Talons because I haven't seen it in ages but I don't think it is that special either).
Originally Posted by bp2:
“These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani”
“These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani”
Umm...quite stingy giving top marks with my own personal marking system, but out of those listed would give Tens to Inferno, Pyramids, Assassin, Robots and Caves. City of Death and Terror of the Zygons are pretty darn close though.
Originally Posted by bp2:
“These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani”
“These stories are either highly rated or considered overrated. Is there anyone who rates all of these stories 10/10?
Spearhead from Space
Inferno
The Ark in Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
The Pyramids of Mars
The Brain of Morbius
The Seeds of Doom
The Deadly Assassin
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng Chiang
City of Death
Earthshock
The Caves of Androzani”
Apart from Caves (I'd probably give it 6 out of 10), I think all the other stories are among the best, certainly a 9 or a 10. Infact Deadly Assassin and Talons are my two absolute favourites.
Originally Posted by bp2:
“I would say Pyramids, Deadly Assassin (except for the train bit) and City of Death are extremely overrated out of that list. (I can't rate Talons because I haven't seen it in ages but I don't think it is that special either).”
“I would say Pyramids, Deadly Assassin (except for the train bit) and City of Death are extremely overrated out of that list. (I can't rate Talons because I haven't seen it in ages but I don't think it is that special either).”
Why ?
Originally Posted by radcliffe95:
“That awful Van Gogh episode”
“That awful Van Gogh episode”
^^ This definitely. I know some people like this episode and some even consider it the best one ever, but I can't stand it.
Boring, emotional, slow, far fetched nonsense.
Originally Posted by snakecharmer37:
“^^ This definitely. I know some people like this episode and some even consider it the best one ever, but I can't stand it.
Boring, emotional, slow, far fetched nonsense.”
“^^ This definitely. I know some people like this episode and some even consider it the best one ever, but I can't stand it.
Boring, emotional, slow, far fetched nonsense.”
Using the second and third adjectives pejoratively is definitely unfair (are we dismissing all 'emotional' art as inherently worthless, and are we to dimiss, as one random example, the works of James Joyce for being slow?) and I would argue even 'far-fetched' cannot be seen as an inherently negative trait in the context of a science-fantasy show prominently and routinely featuring Time travel, doubtful technology, a man who never ever loses, and a universe featuring an unlikely preponderance of humanoid races. Realistic and credible drama it ain't. 'Far-fetched'? You bet. Every single episode of it. Drenched in far-fetchedness.
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Using the second and third adjectives pejoratively is definitely unfair (are we dismissing all 'emotional' art as inherently worthless, and are we to dimiss, as one random example, the works of James Joyce for being slow?) and I would argue even 'far-fetched' cannot be seen as an inherently negative trait in the context of a science-fantasy show prominently and routinely featuring Time travel, doubtful technology, a man who never ever loses, and a universe featuring an unlikely preponderance of humanoid races. Realistic and credible drama it ain't. 'Far-fetched'? You bet. Every single episode of it. Drenched in far-fetchedness.”
“Using the second and third adjectives pejoratively is definitely unfair (are we dismissing all 'emotional' art as inherently worthless, and are we to dimiss, as one random example, the works of James Joyce for being slow?) and I would argue even 'far-fetched' cannot be seen as an inherently negative trait in the context of a science-fantasy show prominently and routinely featuring Time travel, doubtful technology, a man who never ever loses, and a universe featuring an unlikely preponderance of humanoid races. Realistic and credible drama it ain't. 'Far-fetched'? You bet. Every single episode of it. Drenched in far-fetchedness.”
Tom, clearly he meant the "dutch" accent was far fetched
Capaldi Doctor should go speak Dutch with him at some point, ask him to paint a picture of an exploding tardis..... I loved the Van Gogh episode, it was great
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Hmm, most overrated stories?
The Waters of Mars, by Russell T Davies and Phil Ford
The Tenth Doctor Specials
This is usually considered the highlight of the rather poor Specials year that bid farewell to David Tennant. Although it is hard to contest its ranking, I still don't think it stands up as a particularly great episode. In some part that is due to the fact that the initially scary water zombies are utterly diminished by ridiculous looking scenes of them running down corridors and overly-CG'd shots of them spraying water from their mouths like a burst hydrant. It also doesn't help that the episode's conclusion teased an interesting plot concept in the 'Timelord Victorious' but this was not ever explored in the following two-part Tennant finale, nor do I think Tennant was particularly convincing in these scenes - it was very hammy and overdone. The saving grace of the episode was the supporting cast, particularly the wonderful Lindsay Duncan. But there's little else to write home about here.
The Day of the Doctor, by Steven Moffat
The 50th Anniversary Specials
The anniversary was very well received, but I feel it is among the most overrated stories we've ever seen. It re-establishes the accepted set of events from the past eight years of the show, whilst essentially disregarding the first forty-two of them. The Moment was brilliantly played by Billie Piper but was a wasted opportunity to see some former companions, the Zygon sub-plot was dull and dreary and didn't parallel with the Time War story like I think it was supposed to be, and the War Doctor convoluted the regenerations despite being played by the brilliant John Hurt. It was a good episode, but nothing more to me.”
“Hmm, most overrated stories?
The Waters of Mars, by Russell T Davies and Phil Ford
The Tenth Doctor Specials
This is usually considered the highlight of the rather poor Specials year that bid farewell to David Tennant. Although it is hard to contest its ranking, I still don't think it stands up as a particularly great episode. In some part that is due to the fact that the initially scary water zombies are utterly diminished by ridiculous looking scenes of them running down corridors and overly-CG'd shots of them spraying water from their mouths like a burst hydrant. It also doesn't help that the episode's conclusion teased an interesting plot concept in the 'Timelord Victorious' but this was not ever explored in the following two-part Tennant finale, nor do I think Tennant was particularly convincing in these scenes - it was very hammy and overdone. The saving grace of the episode was the supporting cast, particularly the wonderful Lindsay Duncan. But there's little else to write home about here.
The Day of the Doctor, by Steven Moffat
The 50th Anniversary Specials
The anniversary was very well received, but I feel it is among the most overrated stories we've ever seen. It re-establishes the accepted set of events from the past eight years of the show, whilst essentially disregarding the first forty-two of them. The Moment was brilliantly played by Billie Piper but was a wasted opportunity to see some former companions, the Zygon sub-plot was dull and dreary and didn't parallel with the Time War story like I think it was supposed to be, and the War Doctor convoluted the regenerations despite being played by the brilliant John Hurt. It was a good episode, but nothing more to me.”
I think I can agree with you on both these points. Both episodes share the fact that they were massively overhyped and as a consequence were a huge letdown, especially the 50th Anniversary which concentrated far too much on the New Series with only occasional nods to the Classic Series.
I'd actually like to add Time And The Doctor to this list as well as I found it okay as a story and better than the 50th but as with Tennant it wasn't really a proper story for a regeneration episode and the Regeneration itself(what there was of it) sucked.
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Using the second and third adjectives pejoratively is definitely unfair (are we dismissing all 'emotional' art as inherently worthless, and are we to dimiss, as one random example, the works of James Joyce for being slow?) and I would argue even 'far-fetched' cannot be seen as an inherently negative trait in the context of a science-fantasy show prominently and routinely featuring Time travel, doubtful technology, a man who never ever loses, and a universe featuring an unlikely preponderance of humanoid races. Realistic and credible drama it ain't. 'Far-fetched'? You bet. Every single episode of it. Drenched in far-fetchedness.”
“Using the second and third adjectives pejoratively is definitely unfair (are we dismissing all 'emotional' art as inherently worthless, and are we to dimiss, as one random example, the works of James Joyce for being slow?) and I would argue even 'far-fetched' cannot be seen as an inherently negative trait in the context of a science-fantasy show prominently and routinely featuring Time travel, doubtful technology, a man who never ever loses, and a universe featuring an unlikely preponderance of humanoid races. Realistic and credible drama it ain't. 'Far-fetched'? You bet. Every single episode of it. Drenched in far-fetchedness.”
Unlike other Stories/Episodes I can understand why some people like this episode and what it's appeal is. No doubt the mental illness aspect and the scene at the end with Van Gogh seeing his work in the Gallery struck a chord and it was well put across but I still find it slow and tedious.
Slow doesn't have to mean tedious though. Many a Classic Story is of a slower pace and is actually quite interesting with it. It's just with this episode, it isn't very interesting for me personally and I felt myself zoning out several times on original viewing. Repeated viewing hasn't been any easier since.
Originally Posted by snakecharmer37:
“^^ This definitely. I know some people like this episode and some even consider it the best one ever, but I can't stand it.
Boring, emotional, slow, far fetched nonsense.”
“^^ This definitely. I know some people like this episode and some even consider it the best one ever, but I can't stand it.
Boring, emotional, slow, far fetched nonsense.”
It's the only episode of NuWho Series 5 (which I consider to be a disaster) that I rate.
Inferno and The Deadly Assassin are both over-rated, as are nearly all RTD and Moffat episodes. And all for the same reason: their plots are very badly structured, with the actual story squeezed to fit around big, gimmicky set-pieces.
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