http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/matt-sm...aldi-60821.htm
Interesting read, possible hint to a future aperance or just an honest opinion.
Interesting read, possible hint to a future aperance or just an honest opinion.
Matt Smith's opinion on capaldi and Kingston
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To be honest, having seen the video footage, Matt said most of this very much tongue in cheek. He and Alex got on really well but in the same way he 'warned' the new guy to look after Jenna and didn't want to 'hand her over' I think it's more about him missing his time on the show.
I think River should appear very rarely (at the most once per series) so that the 12th doctor can have new recurring characters to define his era. Especially since Strax, Jenny and Vastra are returning.
I would love to see River crop up in a two-parter with Capaldi, but that's it. A single two-parter to establish her on-screen with a third Doctor.
I actually think that there was something really special about Matt Smith and Alex Kingston's performance...one of the best thing's to emerge in the past few years. The fact that he is so much younger than her in real life and that his Doctor was also very young-at-heart really throws in a quirky edge to their relationship. In true Doctor Who style it was a romance with a twist. In retrospect, seeing that relationship pan out with an older Doctor would not have the same sort of special impact... and I would prefer not to see it (as much as I will miss Kingston).
But yes, Smith gave a sterling performance when things concerned River. Their scene together in The Name of the Doctor was a highlight of the episode, and a nice little nod in The Day of the Doctor was very special too - when Ten asks Eleven what could possibly be good enough to help him get over the killing of Gallifrey to which he responds 'Spoilers'. Just lovely.
Capaldi needs his own folklore. Ten had Captain Jack, Eleven had River. Twelve should have his own as well, as hard as it will be to bid farewell to Kingston. I'd give her a role in a two-parter in Series 8 and/or 9 and then call it a day on the character
I actually think that there was something really special about Matt Smith and Alex Kingston's performance...one of the best thing's to emerge in the past few years. The fact that he is so much younger than her in real life and that his Doctor was also very young-at-heart really throws in a quirky edge to their relationship. In true Doctor Who style it was a romance with a twist. In retrospect, seeing that relationship pan out with an older Doctor would not have the same sort of special impact... and I would prefer not to see it (as much as I will miss Kingston).
But yes, Smith gave a sterling performance when things concerned River. Their scene together in The Name of the Doctor was a highlight of the episode, and a nice little nod in The Day of the Doctor was very special too - when Ten asks Eleven what could possibly be good enough to help him get over the killing of Gallifrey to which he responds 'Spoilers'. Just lovely.
Capaldi needs his own folklore. Ten had Captain Jack, Eleven had River. Twelve should have his own as well, as hard as it will be to bid farewell to Kingston. I'd give her a role in a two-parter in Series 8 and/or 9 and then call it a day on the character
Matt's clearly having a laugh there but I definitely do think now that we will see River encounter the 12th Doctor at least once onscreen.
Some of Moffat's recent comments (the January issue of DWM) do seem to indicate that he's considering it.
Though Alex is currently going to be working on an ITV drama with Noel Clarke and Reece Shearsmith soon.
Some of Moffat's recent comments (the January issue of DWM) do seem to indicate that he's considering it.
Though Alex is currently going to be working on an ITV drama with Noel Clarke and Reece Shearsmith soon.
I would like to see a couple of episodes with her and Capaldi but its been six years since her debut and it won't be long before it'll be easy to notice that she looks older than when she died.
Originally Posted by JackMShep:
“I would like to see a couple of episodes with her and Capaldi but its been six years since her debut and it won't be long before it'll be easy to notice that she looks older than when she died.”
“I would like to see a couple of episodes with her and Capaldi but its been six years since her debut and it won't be long before it'll be easy to notice that she looks older than when she died.”
You won't have to worry about how she looked when she died, considering Moffat humorously provided some form of solution in Let's Kill Hitler. While taking in her new look, River commented, "I might take the age down a little. Just gradually. To freak people out."
Originally Posted by The Eleventh:
“You won't have to worry about how she looked when she died, considering Moffat humorously provided some form of solution in Let's Kill Hitler. While taking in her new look, River commented, "I might take the age down a little. Just gradually. To freak people out."”
“You won't have to worry about how she looked when she died, considering Moffat humorously provided some form of solution in Let's Kill Hitler. While taking in her new look, River commented, "I might take the age down a little. Just gradually. To freak people out."”
That was before she gave all her remaining regenerations and regen energy to the Doctor.
Originally Posted by Pull2Open:
“That was before she gave all her remaining regenerations and regen energy to the Doctor.”
“That was before she gave all her remaining regenerations and regen energy to the Doctor.”
Maybe she had just enough residue regen energy left to 'take the age down a bit'?
Originally Posted by tiggerpooh:
“Well, it has been hinted that:
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“Well, it has been hinted that:
Spoiler
I swear there's a mini episode where the doctor sees a future version of himself on his last date with River (from her POV)
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“I would love to see River crop up in a two-parter with Capaldi, but that's it. A single two-parter to establish her on-screen with a third Doctor.
I actually think that there was something really special about Matt Smith and Alex Kingston's performance...one of the best thing's to emerge in the past few years. The fact that he is so much younger than her in real life and that his Doctor was also very young-at-heart really throws in a quirky edge to their relationship. In true Doctor Who style it was a romance with a twist. In retrospect, seeing that relationship pan out with an older Doctor would not have the same sort of special impact... and I would prefer not to see it (as much as I will miss Kingston).
But yes, Smith gave a sterling performance when things concerned River. Their scene together in The Name of the Doctor was a highlight of the episode, and a nice little nod in The Day of the Doctor was very special too - when Ten asks Eleven what could possibly be good enough to help him get over the killing of Gallifrey to which he responds 'Spoilers'. Just lovely.
Capaldi needs his own folklore. Ten had Captain Jack, Eleven had River. Twelve should have his own as well, as hard as it will be to bid farewell to Kingston. I'd give her a role in a two-parter in Series 8 and/or 9 and then call it a day on the character”
“I would love to see River crop up in a two-parter with Capaldi, but that's it. A single two-parter to establish her on-screen with a third Doctor.
I actually think that there was something really special about Matt Smith and Alex Kingston's performance...one of the best thing's to emerge in the past few years. The fact that he is so much younger than her in real life and that his Doctor was also very young-at-heart really throws in a quirky edge to their relationship. In true Doctor Who style it was a romance with a twist. In retrospect, seeing that relationship pan out with an older Doctor would not have the same sort of special impact... and I would prefer not to see it (as much as I will miss Kingston).
But yes, Smith gave a sterling performance when things concerned River. Their scene together in The Name of the Doctor was a highlight of the episode, and a nice little nod in The Day of the Doctor was very special too - when Ten asks Eleven what could possibly be good enough to help him get over the killing of Gallifrey to which he responds 'Spoilers'. Just lovely.
Capaldi needs his own folklore. Ten had Captain Jack, Eleven had River. Twelve should have his own as well, as hard as it will be to bid farewell to Kingston. I'd give her a role in a two-parter in Series 8 and/or 9 and then call it a day on the character
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I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.
Originally Posted by JackMShep:
“I swear there's a mini episode where the doctor sees a future version of himself on his last date with River (from her POV)”
“I swear there's a mini episode where the doctor sees a future version of himself on his last date with River (from her POV)”
Night and the doctor (or specifically last night) - quite a good bunch of minisodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_and_the_Doctor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLrMG2Lipy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58Xj1oR-cQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-6TF2Uyzm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPVZEQQUnu8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNcPbSnuq0g
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
Creepy and sinister!? I think that says more about your prejudices and attitudes than the healthiness or otherwise of River and Eleven's relationship.
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
Before Series 5 that was my biggest concern. Hearing that we were getting the youngest actor to play the Doctor and then the first set pics being with Alex Kingston, I really didn't know what they were thinking and thought it was a mistake not to cast an older Doctor.
But it's one of the few things where I think Moffat hit it on the head, and came up with something better than I would have ever thought of. Matt Smith might have been in his twenties when he first appeared alongside Alex Kingston, but his character was nearly a thousand years old. "When one's in love with an ageless god who insists on the face of a twelve year old, one does one's best to hide the damage"... remarked River in The Angels Take Manhattan.
It was an absolutely fascinating dynamic that I thought was typically quirky of Doctor Who - it wasn't just a soapy romance, it was timey-wimey and crazy. The fact that Smith could act like an old man in a young guy's body simply added to those layers for me. Perhaps it all depends on your opinions on large age gaps in relationships, and perhaps the outward appearance of people in a relationship matters too much to some people - the fact you describe it as 'creepy and sinister' is very telling. But I think the chemistry between them was brilliant and different. No matter how good Capaldi and Kingston are as actors, they wouldn't be able to replicate that sort of dynamic for me.
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
Well I never got that, what I got was that River having her timeline going in odd directions ect and being part time lord ect, that it was 'odd' anyway.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“To be honest, having seen the video footage, Matt said most of this very much tongue in cheek. He and Alex got on really well but in the same way he 'warned' the new guy to look after Jenna and didn't want to 'hand her over' I think it's more about him missing his time on the show.”
“To be honest, having seen the video footage, Matt said most of this very much tongue in cheek. He and Alex got on really well but in the same way he 'warned' the new guy to look after Jenna and didn't want to 'hand her over' I think it's more about him missing his time on the show.”
Where is that BIB, Hon? I'd like to see it
(I tried to PM you put it says you need to clean out your PM box as it's full
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Originally Posted by Puca:
“http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/matt-sm...aldi-60821.htm
Interesting read, possible hint to a future aperance or just an honest opinion.”
“http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/matt-sm...aldi-60821.htm
Interesting read, possible hint to a future aperance or just an honest opinion.”
I sort of agree with Matt. Although River met 10 and 11 she was more a part of Matt's era. Plus River had a good ending in 'The Name of the Doctor'. The show should move on now that we have a new Doctor.
Originally Posted by Chris_Hobbs:
“I sort of agree with Matt. Although River met 10 and 11 she was more a part of Matt's era. Plus River had a good ending in 'The Name of the Doctor'. The show should move on now that we have a new Doctor.”
“I sort of agree with Matt. Although River met 10 and 11 she was more a part of Matt's era. Plus River had a good ending in 'The Name of the Doctor'. The show should move on now that we have a new Doctor.”
I agree. Time to move on. I really hope she doesn't return. Never could stand the character
I haven't clicked the link yet, but here's my prediction: he says they're 'mad' and 'epic' and 'bonkers' and 'wonderful'. 
Originally Posted by tiggerpooh:
“Well, it has been hinted that:
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“Well, it has been hinted that:
Spoiler
please, please, please!!
Originally Posted by JackMShep:
“I swear there's a mini episode where the doctor sees a future version of himself on his last date with River (from her POV)”
“I swear there's a mini episode where the doctor sees a future version of himself on his last date with River (from her POV)”
the only thing established in that episode was river saying the doctor was taking her to derillium as he had been promising her for ages, but that dosen't mean to say they actually got there or that they only went once. If it's never adressed again then it can be taken as their 'last date' but similarly it isn't tied down to being the case if they want to show river and capaldi at derillium as the actual 'last date'
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
I think River's arc was the lowest point of Matt's doctor era. Not only their relationship was not believable, no chemistry, but River (and Amy) were arrogant, condescending really unlikeable characters.
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
“I thought it was creepy and sinister. She was literally old enough to be Smith's mother, and it showed. I never once believed in their 'relationship'. It might've worked with another actor but Moffat should've left the whole River Song thing out until he had an actor playing the Doctor that would make it believable and not toe-curlingly embarrassing.”
I thought it worked really well - in fact, I think Moffat choosing NOT to avoid it because of the age difference is one thing I've really liked and respected about his era (and I'm not a big fan of River Song or her one-liners, tbh). I was surprised at how totally unweird and UNcreepy I found it and I thought their chemistry was good. How often do you ever see an older woman partnered with a younger man onscreen and it just be seen as 'normal'? Thought that was great. The only bit I didn't like was when the Mrs Robinson/milfy references started. No need to overegg the pudding, I felt.
I think they worked well together. If they could do the right storyline would't mind seeing her with 12 .
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