Samsung S3 on Three Ultrafast

Thine Wonk · 13-02-2014, 19:46

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Forget about the wifi but just accept the fact that 2.5mbps speed Three provide is very poor in this day and age. It is unacceptable to receive 2.5mpbs download speed on a phone that can support up to 21mbps on 3G

Sounds like you really don't understand how radio technology works and how the 21Mb/s HSPA+ is in absolute perfect conditions. Just like with a 54Mb/s wifi link, you never get anywhere near that because of radio noise, interference and signal loss in the air.

Most of the signal is lost just meters from the cell tower with every bit further away you travel the signal noise and strength changing.

It is most definitely not the case that everywhere in the street gets a perfect 21Mb/s if Three pump enough "internets" into the mast.

jabbamk1 · 13-02-2014, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

Forget about the wifi but just accept the fact that 2.5mbps speed Three provide is very poor in this day and age. It is unacceptable to receive 2.5mpbs download speed on a phone that can support up to 21mbps on 3G

2.5Mbps is far from unacceptable. It's not good but it's not terrible either. What you have to realise is that one location does not equal the entire network. I have a phone on O2 that also supports 21Mbps HSPA+ but I only get 0.5mbps most of the time. But in other places I get much higher speeds. So it's location, not the entire network that's slow, and that's down to type of tech used at the site, congestion, backhaul and so many other variables.

And also you need to realise that no phone will ever get 21Mbps speed. The max i've seen on a HSPA+ handset is under 16Mbps, and that was a rare speedtest I've never seen replicated. On average you'd see good speeds under 12Mbps with a normal speed test showing around 6Mbps. But that really depends on a number of variables as well. For example the speeds I give here is what I see on Three, but on O2 I never see those speeds (12mbps+) on HSPA+

Are you honestly telling me that every single place in the UK will not get over 2.5Mbps? Or is it just a few locations?

But like I and others have said, sorry but your posts don't make sense. The reasons you're givng for the speeds are incorrect.

AlecR · 13-02-2014, 20:05

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

lol. Where did his post go? Over reaction much!

They deleted it, because I 'broke' the rules. Apparently, telling it how it is is not allowed here...

zonecrew · 13-02-2014, 21:10

Lol. Its getting a bit heated in here!

Wish I'd never asked now

For the record I am getting speeds of 10-23mb on Three already on my ultrafast Sony Xperia (which has sadly bricked) I am very happy with the network where I live, it beats the competition hands down.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Sounds like you really don't understand how radio technology works and how the 21Mb/s HSPA+ is in absolute perfect conditions. Just like with a 54Mb/s wifi link, you never get anywhere near that because of radio noise, interference and signal loss in the air.

Most of the signal is lost just meters from the cell tower with every bit further away you travel the signal noise and strength changing.

It is most definitely not the case that everywhere in the street gets a perfect 21Mb/s if Three pump enough "internets" into the mast.

Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I do know how radio technology works and it is quite acceptable to loss some signal and speed but not down to 2.5mbps.

No one expecting 21mbps but it is quite normal to expect a bit more than 15% of phone's potential.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:17

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Originally Posted by AlecR

They deleted it, because I 'broke' the rules. Apparently, telling it how it is is not allowed here...

You are right telling how it is is not allowed here otherwise I would tell the prats like you exactly how it is.

flagpole · 13-02-2014, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I do know how radio technology works and it is quite acceptable to loss some signal and speed but not down to 2.5mbps.

No one expecting 21mbps but it is quite normal to expect a bit more than 15% of phone's potential.

Seriously. How are you working out or defining what the phone's potential is. Where are you getting the figures from to define 100%?

AlecR · 13-02-2014, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

You are right telling how it is is not allowed here otherwise I would tell the prats like you exactly how it is.

Seriously?

You're spreading around totally false information, making utterly irrelevant comparisons, being an absolute prat (as you call me) and trolling, because you're bored, I presume?

AlecR · 13-02-2014, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I do know how radio technology works and it is quite acceptable to loss some signal and speed but not down to 2.5mbps.

No one expecting 21mbps but it is quite normal to expect a bit more than 15% of phone's potential.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

You do realise that you cannot possibly comment on a network as a whole, after experiencing poor speeds in one single location? Test Three around the UK, you will not have the same experience.

Oh, you can't? Then, stop making up things.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:24

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

2.5Mbps is far from unacceptable. It's not good but it's not terrible either. What you have to realise is that one location does not equal the entire network. I have a phone on O2 that also supports 21Mbps HSPA+ but I only get 0.5mbps most of the time. But in other places I get much higher speeds. So it's location, not the entire network that's slow, and that's down to type of tech used at the site, congestion, backhaul and so many other variables.

And also you need to realise that no phone will ever get 21Mbps speed. The max i've seen on a HSPA+ handset is under 16Mbps, and that was a rare speedtest I've never seen replicated. On average you'd see good speeds under 12Mbps with a normal speed test showing around 6Mbps. But that really depends on a number of variables as well. For example the speeds I give here is what I see on Three, but on O2 I never see those speeds (12mbps+) on HSPA+

Are you honestly telling me that every single place in the UK will not get over 2.5Mbps? Or is it just a few locations?

But like I and others have said, sorry but your posts don't make sense. The reasons you're givng for the speeds are incorrect.

well I said before some people have different expectations. if you are happy with 2.5mbps good for you but I am not happy and looking forward to the end of my sim contract to move on.

I have never said that every single place in the UK will not get over 2.5mpbs, I am only talking about my location and my experience someone somewhere can get 25mpbs and good for them but this is not happening here.

From my experience I can't recommend three, I hope this changes one day but so far not so good.

Step666 · 13-02-2014, 21:26

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry to say.

Why are you sorry?
I'm really quite glad you pointed out the cluelessness.

jabbamk1 · 13-02-2014, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

well I said before some people have different expectations.
From my experience I can't recommend three.

Right.... but what does this have to do with the OP and his question/thread.

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Originally Posted by Step666

Why are you sorry?
I'm really quite glad you pointed out the cluelessness.

Well I don't want to just point blank say he doesn't know what he's talking about. That would be rude.

The fact is that his posts don't make sense and he's trying to relate things to each other that have nothing in common.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:27

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Originally Posted by flagpole

Seriously. How are you working out or defining what the phone's potential is. Where are you getting the figures from to define 100%?

The figures comes from the speed test I have experienced and mentioned, even Samsung confirms the handset supports up to 21mpbs on 3G,

So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide?

AlecR · 13-02-2014, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Step666

Why are you sorry?
I'm really quite glad you pointed out the cluelessness.

I'm sorry because it's time for you to admit that you have a problem.

I'm so sorry that you have these issues. I hope you consult with the relevant person in getting the help you so desperately need. Good luck to you.

Edit: I am referring to Young Turks here. Sorry for any confusion (of which he has a great deal

).

omnidirectional · 13-02-2014, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed.

I'd be interested to know of another 3G network that will deliver speeds of almost 30Mb/s at 9pm. Very poor indeed. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/726263580

jabbamk1 · 13-02-2014, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide?

So you're saying Three customers get 2.5Mbps all the time?

make up your mind. First you say personal opinion about my office. Then you say "customers" referring to everyone.

Like I said, speeds vary across all networks. And using Wi-Fi to compare is really stupid. sorry to say.

Like I said before, the MBNL 3G network used by EE and Three is by far the best in the UK. Of course you're not going to get 21Mbps all the time every where. Also that's impossible to get 21Mbps on an S3 standard version.

flagpole · 13-02-2014, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

The figures comes from the speed test I have experienced and mentioned, even Samsung confirms the handset supports up to 21mpbs on 3G,

So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide?

I see.

My computer has a gigabit Ethernet connector.

My broadband is only 12mb. Why should I have to put up with only 1.2% ?

jabbamk1 · 13-02-2014, 21:33

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Originally Posted by flagpole

I see.

My computer has a gigabit Ethernet connector.

My broadband is only 12mb. Why should I have to put up with only 1.2% ?

Brilliant.

This pretty much proves what I was saying all along.
Doesn't cover all his clueless statements but pretty much hits the nail on the head.
I'm pretty sure young turks is just trolling now.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:33

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Originally Posted by AlecR

Seriously?

You're spreading around totally false information, making utterly irrelevant comparisons, being an absolute prat (as you call me) and trolling, because you're bored, I presume?

Why do you think mods removed your post? That's why I called you prat because you do not even have the decency to discuss your point in civilised manner.

So don't reply to me as I put you in ignore list, I wont see your posts, as I don't have time for people like you.

Step666 · 13-02-2014, 21:34

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Originally Posted by AlecR

I'm sorry because it's time for you to admit that you have a problem.

I'm so sorry that you have these issues. I hope you consult with the relevant person in getting the help you so desperately need. Good luck to you.

Excuse me?

AlecR · 13-02-2014, 21:34

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Brilliant.

This pretty much proves what I was saying all along.
Doesn't cover all his clueless statements but pretty much hits the nail on the head.

This

.

And he put me on his ignore list - ha ha is all I can say

.

AlecR · 13-02-2014, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Step666

Excuse me?

Sorry, that was meant for him, not you - my bad

.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:37

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

So you're saying Three customers get 2.5Mbps all the time?

make up your mind. First you say personal opinion about my office. Then you say "customers" referring to everyone.

Like I said, speeds vary across all networks. And using Wi-Fi to compare is really stupid. sorry to say.

Like I said before, the MBNL 3G network used by EE and Three is by far the best in the UK. Of course you're not going to get 21Mbps all the time every where. Also that's impossible to get 21Mbps on an S3 standard version.

Yes I am a customer therefore I say customers! I am sure I am not only three customer who suffer from poor speed, even this forum is full of other customers.

You may be happy with poor speeds three provide but I am not if you don't mind?

finbaar · 13-02-2014, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Young Turks

The figures comes from the speed test I have experienced and mentioned, even Samsung confirms the handset supports up to 21mpbs on 3G,

So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide?

Why on earth did you take out a contract with 3 in the first place? Anyone with a bit of mobile nounce tests the signal in their various locations before signing up.

Young Turks · 13-02-2014, 21:42

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Originally Posted by flagpole

I see.

My computer has a gigabit Ethernet connector.

My broadband is only 12mb. Why should I have to put up with only 1.2% ?

Ethernet connector is not same as internet speed. Do your homework next time. I have just done speed test on my broadband and guess what my S3 says 16.7mbps.

I look forward tp going to 2.5mbps on three network in the office tomorrow morning

13-02-2014, 19:46	#26
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks Forget about the wifi but just accept the fact that 2.5mbps speed Three provide is very poor in this day and age. It is unacceptable to receive 2.5mpbs download speed on a phone that can support up to 21mbps on 3G Sounds like you really don't understand how radio technology works and how the 21Mb/s HSPA+ is in absolute perfect conditions. Just like with a 54Mb/s wifi link, you never get anywhere near that because of radio noise, interference and signal loss in the air. Most of the signal is lost just meters from the cell tower with every bit further away you travel the signal noise and strength changing. It is most definitely not the case that everywhere in the street gets a perfect 21Mb/s if Three pump enough "internets" into the mast.

13-02-2014, 19:46	#27
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks Forget about the wifi but just accept the fact that 2.5mbps speed Three provide is very poor in this day and age. It is unacceptable to receive 2.5mpbs download speed on a phone that can support up to 21mbps on 3G 2.5Mbps is far from unacceptable. It's not good but it's not terrible either. What you have to realise is that one location does not equal the entire network. I have a phone on O2 that also supports 21Mbps HSPA+ but I only get 0.5mbps most of the time. But in other places I get much higher speeds. So it's location, not the entire network that's slow, and that's down to type of tech used at the site, congestion, backhaul and so many other variables. And also you need to realise that no phone will ever get 21Mbps speed. The max i've seen on a HSPA+ handset is under 16Mbps, and that was a rare speedtest I've never seen replicated. On average you'd see good speeds under 12Mbps with a normal speed test showing around 6Mbps. But that really depends on a number of variables as well. For example the speeds I give here is what I see on Three, but on O2 I never see those speeds (12mbps+) on HSPA+ Are you honestly telling me that every single place in the UK will not get over 2.5Mbps? Or is it just a few locations? But like I and others have said, sorry but your posts don't make sense. The reasons you're givng for the speeds are incorrect.

13-02-2014, 20:05	#28
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 lol. Where did his post go? Over reaction much! They deleted it, because I 'broke' the rules. Apparently, telling it how it is is not allowed here...

13-02-2014, 21:10	#29
zonecrew Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 69	Lol. Its getting a bit heated in here! Wish I'd never asked now For the record I am getting speeds of 10-23mb on Three already on my ultrafast Sony Xperia (which has sadly bricked) I am very happy with the network where I live, it beats the competition hands down.

13-02-2014, 21:14	#30
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk Sounds like you really don't understand how radio technology works and how the 21Mb/s HSPA+ is in absolute perfect conditions. Just like with a 54Mb/s wifi link, you never get anywhere near that because of radio noise, interference and signal loss in the air. Most of the signal is lost just meters from the cell tower with every bit further away you travel the signal noise and strength changing. It is most definitely not the case that everywhere in the street gets a perfect 21Mb/s if Three pump enough "internets" into the mast. Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I do know how radio technology works and it is quite acceptable to loss some signal and speed but not down to 2.5mbps. No one expecting 21mbps but it is quite normal to expect a bit more than 15% of phone's potential.

13-02-2014, 21:17	#31
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by AlecR They deleted it, because I 'broke' the rules. Apparently, telling it how it is is not allowed here... You are right telling how it is is not allowed here otherwise I would tell the prats like you exactly how it is.

13-02-2014, 21:18	#32
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I do know how radio technology works and it is quite acceptable to loss some signal and speed but not down to 2.5mbps. No one expecting 21mbps but it is quite normal to expect a bit more than 15% of phone's potential. Seriously. How are you working out or defining what the phone's potential is. Where are you getting the figures from to define 100%?

13-02-2014, 21:21	#33
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks You are right telling how it is is not allowed here otherwise I would tell the prats like you exactly how it is. Seriously? You're spreading around totally false information, making utterly irrelevant comparisons, being an absolute prat (as you call me) and trolling, because you're bored, I presume?

13-02-2014, 21:23	#34
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I do know how radio technology works and it is quite acceptable to loss some signal and speed but not down to 2.5mbps. No one expecting 21mbps but it is quite normal to expect a bit more than 15% of phone's potential. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You do realise that you cannot possibly comment on a network as a whole, after experiencing poor speeds in one single location? Test Three around the UK, you will not have the same experience. Oh, you can't? Then, stop making up things.

13-02-2014, 21:24	#35
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 2.5Mbps is far from unacceptable. It's not good but it's not terrible either. What you have to realise is that one location does not equal the entire network. I have a phone on O2 that also supports 21Mbps HSPA+ but I only get 0.5mbps most of the time. But in other places I get much higher speeds. So it's location, not the entire network that's slow, and that's down to type of tech used at the site, congestion, backhaul and so many other variables. And also you need to realise that no phone will ever get 21Mbps speed. The max i've seen on a HSPA+ handset is under 16Mbps, and that was a rare speedtest I've never seen replicated. On average you'd see good speeds under 12Mbps with a normal speed test showing around 6Mbps. But that really depends on a number of variables as well. For example the speeds I give here is what I see on Three, but on O2 I never see those speeds (12mbps+) on HSPA+ Are you honestly telling me that every single place in the UK will not get over 2.5Mbps? Or is it just a few locations? But like I and others have said, sorry but your posts don't make sense. The reasons you're givng for the speeds are incorrect. well I said before some people have different expectations. if you are happy with 2.5mbps good for you but I am not happy and looking forward to the end of my sim contract to move on. I have never said that every single place in the UK will not get over 2.5mpbs, I am only talking about my location and my experience someone somewhere can get 25mpbs and good for them but this is not happening here. From my experience I can't recommend three, I hope this changes one day but so far not so good.

13-02-2014, 21:26	#36
Step666 Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,274	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 You really have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry to say. Why are you sorry? I'm really quite glad you pointed out the cluelessness.

13-02-2014, 21:27	#37
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks well I said before some people have different expectations. From my experience I can't recommend three. Right.... but what does this have to do with the OP and his question/thread. Quote: Originally Posted by Step666 Why are you sorry? I'm really quite glad you pointed out the cluelessness. Well I don't want to just point blank say he doesn't know what he's talking about. That would be rude. The fact is that his posts don't make sense and he's trying to relate things to each other that have nothing in common.

13-02-2014, 21:27	#38
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole Seriously. How are you working out or defining what the phone's potential is. Where are you getting the figures from to define 100%? The figures comes from the speed test I have experienced and mentioned, even Samsung confirms the handset supports up to 21mpbs on 3G, So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide?

13-02-2014, 21:28	#39
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally Posted by Step666 Why are you sorry? I'm really quite glad you pointed out the cluelessness. I'm sorry because it's time for you to admit that you have a problem. I'm so sorry that you have these issues. I hope you consult with the relevant person in getting the help you so desperately need. Good luck to you. Edit: I am referring to Young Turks here. Sorry for any confusion (of which he has a great deal ).

13-02-2014, 21:30	#40
omnidirectional Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 10,879	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks Signal noise, strength etc are all poor excuses for very poor network and speed. I'd be interested to know of another 3G network that will deliver speeds of almost 30Mb/s at 9pm. Very poor indeed. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/726263580

13-02-2014, 21:32	#42
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks The figures comes from the speed test I have experienced and mentioned, even Samsung confirms the handset supports up to 21mpbs on 3G, So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide? I see. My computer has a gigabit Ethernet connector. My broadband is only 12mb. Why should I have to put up with only 1.2% ?

13-02-2014, 21:33	#43
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I see. My computer has a gigabit Ethernet connector. My broadband is only 12mb. Why should I have to put up with only 1.2% ? Brilliant. This pretty much proves what I was saying all along. Doesn't cover all his clueless statements but pretty much hits the nail on the head. I'm pretty sure young turks is just trolling now.

13-02-2014, 21:33	#44
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by AlecR Seriously? You're spreading around totally false information, making utterly irrelevant comparisons, being an absolute prat (as you call me) and trolling, because you're bored, I presume? Why do you think mods removed your post? That's why I called you prat because you do not even have the decency to discuss your point in civilised manner. So don't reply to me as I put you in ignore list, I wont see your posts, as I don't have time for people like you.

13-02-2014, 21:34	#45
Step666 Forum Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,274	Quote: Originally Posted by AlecR I'm sorry because it's time for you to admit that you have a problem. I'm so sorry that you have these issues. I hope you consult with the relevant person in getting the help you so desperately need. Good luck to you. Excuse me?

13-02-2014, 21:34	#46
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 Brilliant. This pretty much proves what I was saying all along. Doesn't cover all his clueless statements but pretty much hits the nail on the head. This . And he put me on his ignore list - ha ha is all I can say .

13-02-2014, 21:35	#47
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally Posted by Step666 Excuse me? Sorry, that was meant for him, not you - my bad .

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Samsung S3 on Three Ultrafast

13-02-2014, 21:37	#48
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 So you're saying Three customers get 2.5Mbps all the time? make up your mind. First you say personal opinion about my office. Then you say "customers" referring to everyone. Like I said, speeds vary across all networks. And using Wi-Fi to compare is really stupid. sorry to say. Like I said before, the MBNL 3G network used by EE and Three is by far the best in the UK. Of course you're not going to get 21Mbps all the time every where. Also that's impossible to get 21Mbps on an S3 standard version. Yes I am a customer therefore I say customers! I am sure I am not only three customer who suffer from poor speed, even this forum is full of other customers. You may be happy with poor speeds three provide but I am not if you don't mind?

13-02-2014, 21:40	#49
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by Young Turks The figures comes from the speed test I have experienced and mentioned, even Samsung confirms the handset supports up to 21mpbs on 3G, So why should customers settle with about 12% speed three provide? Why on earth did you take out a contract with 3 in the first place? Anyone with a bit of mobile nounce tests the signal in their various locations before signing up.

13-02-2014, 21:42	#50
Young Turks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,513	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I see. My computer has a gigabit Ethernet connector. My broadband is only 12mb. Why should I have to put up with only 1.2% ? Ethernet connector is not same as internet speed. Do your homework next time. I have just done speed test on my broadband and guess what my S3 says 16.7mbps. I look forward tp going to 2.5mbps on three network in the office tomorrow morning