Colour!! Or rather lack of.

.Dozy Rosie · 13-02-2014, 16:59

Hi...the last time I had a TV where
the colour went was when I had a TV with a tube!! I have a small TV next to my bed..a combo..the DVD only lasted about a year and hardly ever used it. (not too worried about that)...however...I noticed a few nights ago that everything red is now orange...in fact no colour is as it should be. It is a "Bush"..Ok I need a new one..any advice on makes etc?? Looked at Argos..the smallest (which is fine) is around £99.99...................thought they would be much cheaper now!! Any advice appreciated.

evil c · 13-02-2014, 20:00

I'm assuming that because you mentioned price, that you want the cheapest combo and aren't too bothered about the picture quality or the sound. When you say the smallest I guess you mean a 19 inch so I won't bother with any 22 inch ones.

TV/DVD combos are always going to be a compromise. There are a very few with quality equal to a good TV on its own and you'd be talking £200+. Even some of the most expensive combos are dreadful.

This 2012 19 inch Toshiba Regza 19DL502 with a standard definition Freeview tuner (manufactured by Toshiba) can be bought online for £99 at Electronic Empire or Play.com. The latest model 19DL502B2 is £125 at Amazon: http://www.electronicempire.co.uk/te...ia8bd8r415s9n5

That's the only one I would recommend but really it's nothing special, just the best out of a group of combos some of which are dire, although probably it's just that I'm too fussy.

On Amazon this 19 inch combo for £99 is popular, but the manufacturer is known for making poor quality combos: http://www.amazon.co.uk/LCD-COMBI-FR...v%2Fdvd+combos

Or possibly better than both above combos there's this 19 inch Finlux with a muli-region player for £130 also on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finlux-Multi...v%2Fdvd+combos

If you are thinking about a 22inch there's only one, and it's very good, as good as some of the best TVs, but it's pricey; the Linsar 22LED1000S at John Lewis. If that's far too expensive for you then I'd have a look on Amazon and pick one with good reviews where the reviewers seem to know what they're talking about.

Nigel Goodwin · 13-02-2014, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil c

This 2012 19 inch Toshiba Regza 19DL502 with a standard definition Freeview tuner (manufactured by Toshiba)

No, manufactured by Vestel, most Toshiba sets (and all smaller ones) are just badged Vestel's.

We provided, and fitted, a load of Toshiba TV/DVD's for a new hotel.

Quote:

That's the only one I would recommend but really it's nothing special, just the best out of a group of combos some of which are dire, although probably it's just that I'm too fussy.

On Amazon this 19 inch combo for £99 is popular, but the manufacturer is known for making poor quality combos: http://www.amazon.co.uk/LCD-COMBI-FR...v%2Fdvd+combos

As there's not even a brand name mentioned it's difficult to know, but it's probably a Vestel, and if it's not it's something poorer than a Vestel

Quote:

Or possibly better than both above combos there's this 19 inch Finlux with a muli-region player for £130 also on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finlux-Multi...v%2Fdvd+combos

Also a Vestel

Quote:

If you are thinking about a 22inch there's only one, and it's very good, as good as some of the best TVs, but it's pricey; the Linsar 22LED1000S at John Lewis. If that's far too expensive for you then I'd have a look on Amazon and pick one with good reviews where the reviewers seem to know what they're talking about.

Yet another Vestel set.

It's also quite possible that the OP's duff Bush is a Vestel as well - they make most of the cheap junk brands.

Linsar has the advantage of a two year exchange warranty though, so same set but at least double the warranty.

evil c · 13-02-2014, 20:12

Hi Nigel, I had a bet with myself that if I posted that it was manufactured by Toshiba, you'd be here all guns blazing saying it was a Vestel.

You didn't disappoint me!

BMR · 13-02-2014, 20:42

So what isn't a Vestel? Anything in that price range?

evil c · 13-02-2014, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR

So what isn't a Vestel? Anything in that price range?

There's a couple of Samsungs, but at the top end of the range.

BMR · 13-02-2014, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil c

There's a couple of Samsungs, but at the top end of the range.

About 12 months ago I overheard a conversation in a Currys store where the salesman was claiming that their Logik TVs were made by the same people that made Samsung tellies. I've no idea how true this is.....

.Dozy Rosie · 14-02-2014, 08:18

Thanks for replies...will get it sorted over the weekend..

Nigel Goodwin · 14-02-2014, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil c

Hi Nigel, I had a bet with myself that if I posted that it was manufactured by Toshiba, you'd be here all guns blazing saying it was a Vestel.

You didn't disappoint me!

Well as you deliberately lied about the manufacturer you could expect to be corrected.

Nigel Goodwin · 14-02-2014, 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR

About 12 months ago I overheard a conversation in a Currys store where the salesman was claiming that their Logik TVs were made by the same people that made Samsung tellies. I've no idea how true this is.....

Not any Logik sets I've ever seen, and I doubt there's any truth whatsoever in it - but like all the 'made up brand names' it can be manufactured by entirely different people, with some Bush sets even manufactured by two different companies at the same time, entirely different sets but with exactly the same model numbers.

Winston_1 · 14-02-2014, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Dozy Rosie

Hi...the last time I had a TV where
the colour went was when I had a TV with a tube!! I have a small TV next to my bed..a combo..the DVD only lasted about a year and hardly ever used it. (not too worried about that)...however...I noticed a few nights ago that everything red is now orange...in fact no colour is as it should be. It is a "Bush"..Ok I need a new one..any advice on makes etc?? Looked at Argos..the smallest (which is fine) is around £99.99...................thought they would be much cheaper now!! Any advice appreciated.

How about getting it repaired.

BMR · 14-02-2014, 21:00

I've no idea if this http://www.richersounds.com/product/...43d/lg-19mn43d

is a Vestel..

Nigel Goodwin · 14-02-2014, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR

I've no idea if this http://www.richersounds.com/product/...43d/lg-19mn43d

is a Vestel..

Not as far as I know, I presume LG make their own?.

mac2708 · 14-02-2014, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

How about getting it repaired.

But are spares available and can it be economically repaired?

evil c · 15-02-2014, 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Well as you deliberately lied about the manufacturer you could expect to be corrected.

I don't know why you have this grudge against me. I didn't deliberately lie, I took the info from the retailer's site, but was hesitant to include it, because I know you never like to miss an opportunity to get your oar in. It's no help to the OP and no-one cares whether it's a Vestel or not.

Nigel Goodwin · 15-02-2014, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil c

I don't know why you have this grudge against me. I didn't deliberately lie, I took the info from the retailer's site, but was hesitant to include it, because I know you never like to miss an opportunity to get your oar in. It's no help to the OP and no-one cares whether it's a Vestel or not.

No grudge against you, I don't even take any note whatsoever of the user name, and yours doesn't seem in any way familiar?. As for deliberately lying you gave the impression that you knew it was a Vestel set and deliberately hid the fact - even specifically claiming it was 'manufactured' by Toshiba.

EVERYONE should care that's it's a Vestel or not, you're recommending it as a 'good set' when it's a cheap crappy one like you get in the Supermarkets.

So I would say it's of great help to the OP, if it helps him not to replace one short-lived crappy set with another the same.

White-Knight · 15-02-2014, 10:04

Yep I was going to add, you get what you pay for.

Plus it's better to buy separates - no excuse with the slimline DVD players that are out these days, and if the dvd then goes, its £30 not £100 to sort it.

My advice is spend a little more and get a top branded tv and DVD player as separates.

You've just spent £100 for a year. Maybe if you'd bought eg Panasonic or Samsung, you'd have spent £200-300 but got 5 years. Much better value.

BMR · 15-02-2014, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by White-Knight

Yep I was going to add, you get what you pay for.

Yes and no. Cheaper usually means worse quality but there are still best and worst options at each price point. And there are often end of the line bargains to be had too.

Quote:

Plus it's better to buy separates - no excuse

Lack of space and a desire to have everything on the same remote are mine...

Nigel Goodwin · 15-02-2014, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR

Yes and no. Cheaper usually means worse quality but there are still best and worst options at each price point. And there are often end of the line bargains to be had too.

End of line bargains are always worth looking for, as you can get a far better set for a good price - and quite often the later set is no better, and probably cheaper made

.

BMR · 15-02-2014, 14:18

Just as a matter of interest Nigel what is so particularly bad about Vestel?

Nigel Goodwin · 15-02-2014, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR

Just as a matter of interest Nigel what is so particularly bad about Vestel?

Cheaply made sets using cheap components, with poorish performance and high failure rates.

Basically if you want a cheap TV, then that's the sort of thing you get - but at least schematics are available for them, which puts them ahead of some of the other cheap gear.

I've got a Vestel/Hitachi Plasma (for free), the customer (who bought it from Currys) got tired of it going wrong so bought a new Sony from us, and asked us to dispose of the old one. It goes faulty once or twice a year

webbie · 15-02-2014, 19:52

You should fix it better then Nigel!!!

Nigel Goodwin · 16-02-2014, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by webbie

You should fix it better then Nigel!!!

Unfortunately I'm not prepared to pay for a new main PCB, even assuming it was still available

I wouldn't even be confident that replacing it would provide a cure anyway, it strikes me more as a design flaw (common to Vestel sets).

White-Knight · 17-02-2014, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR

Yes and no. Cheaper usually means worse quality but there are still best and worst options at each price point. And there are often end of the line bargains to be had too.

Lack of space and a desire to have everything on the same remote are mine...

Always worth having a look for end of line. Richer Sounds is a good place to start here as well as keeping your eye out for sales around this time as the new years models come in.

Generally though, if you buy a top brand you're fairly safe. Unknown brands are very hit and miss. You do get what you pay for generally though. Far better to buy an end of line TV from a top brand that's been £300 and is reduced to £150 than a cheap brand at £150.

As for space, hardly an issue as many DVD players are only around 1 or 2 cm thick these days even at the budget end of the market.

I'm not in anyway recommending this,as it was just a random find, but this is a good example at Argos:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/5338791.htm

Exceptionally slim for £28.

There are several LCD 19" TV's here from top brands eg Samsung, LG, for £100-130: https://www.richersounds.com/product...led-oled-tvs#1

Again not recommending anything, just illustrating that you can have top brands for budget prices although personally I'd always pay that little bit more.

As for 2 remotes, yep that's a compromise but personally I'd rather have 2 remotes than pay out for a new tv AND DVD player at £xxx when the laser in the DVD player goes and all that was needed was a new DVD player at less than £30!

There's always those All in One Remotes as another option.

13-02-2014, 16:59	#1
.Dozy Rosie Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Devon Posts: 1,838	Colour!! Or rather lack of. Hi...the last time I had a TV where the colour went was when I had a TV with a tube!! I have a small TV next to my bed..a combo..the DVD only lasted about a year and hardly ever used it. (not too worried about that)...however...I noticed a few nights ago that everything red is now orange...in fact no colour is as it should be. It is a "Bush"..Ok I need a new one..any advice on makes etc?? Looked at Argos..the smallest (which is fine) is around £99.99...................thought they would be much cheaper now!! Any advice appreciated.

13-02-2014, 20:00	#2
evil c Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wirral Peninsula Posts: 4,777	I'm assuming that because you mentioned price, that you want the cheapest combo and aren't too bothered about the picture quality or the sound. When you say the smallest I guess you mean a 19 inch so I won't bother with any 22 inch ones. TV/DVD combos are always going to be a compromise. There are a very few with quality equal to a good TV on its own and you'd be talking £200+. Even some of the most expensive combos are dreadful. This 2012 19 inch Toshiba Regza 19DL502 with a standard definition Freeview tuner (manufactured by Toshiba) can be bought online for £99 at Electronic Empire or Play.com. The latest model 19DL502B2 is £125 at Amazon: http://www.electronicempire.co.uk/te...ia8bd8r415s9n5 That's the only one I would recommend but really it's nothing special, just the best out of a group of combos some of which are dire, although probably it's just that I'm too fussy. On Amazon this 19 inch combo for £99 is popular, but the manufacturer is known for making poor quality combos: http://www.amazon.co.uk/LCD-COMBI-FR...v%2Fdvd+combos Or possibly better than both above combos there's this 19 inch Finlux with a muli-region player for £130 also on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finlux-Multi...v%2Fdvd+combos If you are thinking about a 22inch there's only one, and it's very good, as good as some of the best TVs, but it's pricey; the Linsar 22LED1000S at John Lewis. If that's far too expensive for you then I'd have a look on Amazon and pick one with good reviews where the reviewers seem to know what they're talking about.

13-02-2014, 20:08	#3
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by evil c This 2012 19 inch Toshiba Regza 19DL502 with a standard definition Freeview tuner (manufactured by Toshiba) No, manufactured by Vestel, most Toshiba sets (and all smaller ones) are just badged Vestel's. We provided, and fitted, a load of Toshiba TV/DVD's for a new hotel. Quote: That's the only one I would recommend but really it's nothing special, just the best out of a group of combos some of which are dire, although probably it's just that I'm too fussy. On Amazon this 19 inch combo for £99 is popular, but the manufacturer is known for making poor quality combos: http://www.amazon.co.uk/LCD-COMBI-FR...v%2Fdvd+combos As there's not even a brand name mentioned it's difficult to know, but it's probably a Vestel, and if it's not it's something poorer than a Vestel Quote: Or possibly better than both above combos there's this 19 inch Finlux with a muli-region player for £130 also on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finlux-Multi...v%2Fdvd+combos Also a Vestel Quote: If you are thinking about a 22inch there's only one, and it's very good, as good as some of the best TVs, but it's pricey; the Linsar 22LED1000S at John Lewis. If that's far too expensive for you then I'd have a look on Amazon and pick one with good reviews where the reviewers seem to know what they're talking about. Yet another Vestel set. It's also quite possible that the OP's duff Bush is a Vestel as well - they make most of the cheap junk brands. Linsar has the advantage of a two year exchange warranty though, so same set but at least double the warranty.

13-02-2014, 20:12	#4
evil c Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wirral Peninsula Posts: 4,777	Hi Nigel, I had a bet with myself that if I posted that it was manufactured by Toshiba, you'd be here all guns blazing saying it was a Vestel. You didn't disappoint me!

13-02-2014, 20:42	#5
BMR Guest Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,240	So what isn't a Vestel? Anything in that price range?

13-02-2014, 21:00	#6
evil c Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wirral Peninsula Posts: 4,777	Quote: Originally Posted by BMR So what isn't a Vestel? Anything in that price range? There's a couple of Samsungs, but at the top end of the range.

13-02-2014, 21:34	#7
BMR Guest Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,240	Quote: Originally Posted by evil c There's a couple of Samsungs, but at the top end of the range. About 12 months ago I overheard a conversation in a Currys store where the salesman was claiming that their Logik TVs were made by the same people that made Samsung tellies. I've no idea how true this is.....

14-02-2014, 08:18	#8
.Dozy Rosie Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Devon Posts: 1,838	Thanks for replies...will get it sorted over the weekend..

14-02-2014, 08:49	#9
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by evil c Hi Nigel, I had a bet with myself that if I posted that it was manufactured by Toshiba, you'd be here all guns blazing saying it was a Vestel. You didn't disappoint me! Well as you deliberately lied about the manufacturer you could expect to be corrected.

14-02-2014, 08:51	#10
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by BMR About 12 months ago I overheard a conversation in a Currys store where the salesman was claiming that their Logik TVs were made by the same people that made Samsung tellies. I've no idea how true this is..... Not any Logik sets I've ever seen, and I doubt there's any truth whatsoever in it - but like all the 'made up brand names' it can be manufactured by entirely different people, with some Bush sets even manufactured by two different companies at the same time, entirely different sets but with exactly the same model numbers.

14-02-2014, 12:35	#11
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by .Dozy Rosie Hi...the last time I had a TV where the colour went was when I had a TV with a tube!! I have a small TV next to my bed..a combo..the DVD only lasted about a year and hardly ever used it. (not too worried about that)...however...I noticed a few nights ago that everything red is now orange...in fact no colour is as it should be. It is a "Bush"..Ok I need a new one..any advice on makes etc?? Looked at Argos..the smallest (which is fine) is around £99.99...................thought they would be much cheaper now!! Any advice appreciated. How about getting it repaired.

14-02-2014, 21:00	#12
BMR Guest Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,240	I've no idea if this http://www.richersounds.com/product/...43d/lg-19mn43d is a Vestel..

14-02-2014, 21:03	#13
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by BMR I've no idea if this http://www.richersounds.com/product/...43d/lg-19mn43d is a Vestel.. Not as far as I know, I presume LG make their own?.

14-02-2014, 22:27	#14
mac2708 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,196	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 How about getting it repaired. But are spares available and can it be economically repaired?

15-02-2014, 02:05	#15
evil c Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wirral Peninsula Posts: 4,777	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Well as you deliberately lied about the manufacturer you could expect to be corrected. I don't know why you have this grudge against me. I didn't deliberately lie, I took the info from the retailer's site, but was hesitant to include it, because I know you never like to miss an opportunity to get your oar in. It's no help to the OP and no-one cares whether it's a Vestel or not.

15-02-2014, 08:56	#16
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by evil c I don't know why you have this grudge against me. I didn't deliberately lie, I took the info from the retailer's site, but was hesitant to include it, because I know you never like to miss an opportunity to get your oar in. It's no help to the OP and no-one cares whether it's a Vestel or not. No grudge against you, I don't even take any note whatsoever of the user name, and yours doesn't seem in any way familiar?. As for deliberately lying you gave the impression that you knew it was a Vestel set and deliberately hid the fact - even specifically claiming it was 'manufactured' by Toshiba. EVERYONE should care that's it's a Vestel or not, you're recommending it as a 'good set' when it's a cheap crappy one like you get in the Supermarkets. So I would say it's of great help to the OP, if it helps him not to replace one short-lived crappy set with another the same.

15-02-2014, 10:04	#17
White-Knight Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,494	Yep I was going to add, you get what you pay for. Plus it's better to buy separates - no excuse with the slimline DVD players that are out these days, and if the dvd then goes, its £30 not £100 to sort it. My advice is spend a little more and get a top branded tv and DVD player as separates. You've just spent £100 for a year. Maybe if you'd bought eg Panasonic or Samsung, you'd have spent £200-300 but got 5 years. Much better value.

15-02-2014, 13:11	#18
BMR Guest Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,240	Quote: Originally Posted by White-Knight Yep I was going to add, you get what you pay for. Yes and no. Cheaper usually means worse quality but there are still best and worst options at each price point. And there are often end of the line bargains to be had too. Quote: Plus it's better to buy separates - no excuse Lack of space and a desire to have everything on the same remote are mine...

15-02-2014, 13:27	#19
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by BMR Yes and no. Cheaper usually means worse quality but there are still best and worst options at each price point. And there are often end of the line bargains to be had too. End of line bargains are always worth looking for, as you can get a far better set for a good price - and quite often the later set is no better, and probably cheaper made .

15-02-2014, 14:18	#20
BMR Guest Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,240	Just as a matter of interest Nigel what is so particularly bad about Vestel?

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Colour!! Or rather lack of.

15-02-2014, 15:53	#21
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by BMR Just as a matter of interest Nigel what is so particularly bad about Vestel? Cheaply made sets using cheap components, with poorish performance and high failure rates. Basically if you want a cheap TV, then that's the sort of thing you get - but at least schematics are available for them, which puts them ahead of some of the other cheap gear. I've got a Vestel/Hitachi Plasma (for free), the customer (who bought it from Currys) got tired of it going wrong so bought a new Sony from us, and asked us to dispose of the old one. It goes faulty once or twice a year

15-02-2014, 19:52	#22
webbie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Devon Posts: 1,568	You should fix it better then Nigel!!!

16-02-2014, 12:59	#23
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by webbie You should fix it better then Nigel!!! Unfortunately I'm not prepared to pay for a new main PCB, even assuming it was still available I wouldn't even be confident that replacing it would provide a cure anyway, it strikes me more as a design flaw (common to Vestel sets).

17-02-2014, 16:52	#24
White-Knight Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,494	Quote: Originally Posted by BMR Yes and no. Cheaper usually means worse quality but there are still best and worst options at each price point. And there are often end of the line bargains to be had too. Lack of space and a desire to have everything on the same remote are mine... Always worth having a look for end of line. Richer Sounds is a good place to start here as well as keeping your eye out for sales around this time as the new years models come in. Generally though, if you buy a top brand you're fairly safe. Unknown brands are very hit and miss. You do get what you pay for generally though. Far better to buy an end of line TV from a top brand that's been £300 and is reduced to £150 than a cheap brand at £150. As for space, hardly an issue as many DVD players are only around 1 or 2 cm thick these days even at the budget end of the market. I'm not in anyway recommending this,as it was just a random find, but this is a good example at Argos: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/5338791.htm Exceptionally slim for £28. There are several LCD 19" TV's here from top brands eg Samsung, LG, for £100-130: https://www.richersounds.com/product...led-oled-tvs#1 Again not recommending anything, just illustrating that you can have top brands for budget prices although personally I'd always pay that little bit more. As for 2 remotes, yep that's a compromise but personally I'd rather have 2 remotes than pay out for a new tv AND DVD player at £xxx when the laser in the DVD player goes and all that was needed was a new DVD player at less than £30! There's always those All in One Remotes as another option.