Originally Posted by mediarat:
“perfect 2m show for c4.”
“perfect 2m show for c4.”
Should be good, but even though it was a critical hit Fargo failed at the box office. 2m is a bit optimistic.
The Ratings Thread (Part 58)
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Should be good, but even though it was a critical hit Fargo failed at the box office. 2m is a bit optimistic.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Looks like many watched the ad/screen clutter free version on Catch Up that was available soon after the scheduled broadcast would have finished.”
“Looks like many watched the ad/screen clutter free version on Catch Up that was available soon after the scheduled broadcast would have finished.”
I recorded the Sat showing as On Demand wasn't working on Virgin. Was very annoying when going to watch the first recording that it wasn't shown.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Looks like many watched the ad/screen clutter free version on Catch Up that was available soon after the scheduled broadcast would have finished.”
“Looks like many watched the ad/screen clutter free version on Catch Up that was available soon after the scheduled broadcast would have finished.”
That's okay then. No harm done.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“That's okay then. No harm done.”
“That's okay then. No harm done.”
As long as they still get to watch it, no.
Of course as there was no original broadcast to link the Catch Up viewings to they won't be reported by BARB (similar to the 'First Look' broadcasts).
So we'll never know how it fared.
Originally Posted by Ste30yo:
“So if you start watching something on timeshift, eg 5 mins after it's stated, and eventually catch up due to whizzing through the adverts, is that classed as timeshifted or live viewing?”
“So if you start watching something on timeshift, eg 5 mins after it's stated, and eventually catch up due to whizzing through the adverts, is that classed as timeshifted or live viewing?”
The bit where you're behind the live broadcast will be timeshift. The bit after you've caught up with live will be live.
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Perhaps disaster is a bit strong - but like someone else mentioned they don't try and fix the things that aren't working and plod on regardless hoping viewers will watch which clearly isn't happening again. It's now fallen every week since the fourth Blind Auditions show - a very worrying trend indeed especially considering it was really supposed to grow in the earlier stages which didn't happen like the previous two years.”
“Perhaps disaster is a bit strong - but like someone else mentioned they don't try and fix the things that aren't working and plod on regardless hoping viewers will watch which clearly isn't happening again. It's now fallen every week since the fourth Blind Auditions show - a very worrying trend indeed especially considering it was really supposed to grow in the earlier stages which didn't happen like the previous two years.”
Sorry to carry this on but the same argument can be made with boot camp on The X Factor given whenever we see the ratings for that, and they're down on the auditions, we hear that it's because "Boot Camp never rates well". The audience have already come back for the auditions on two occasions, it is clearly the most popular part of the series and if it rates as well as it does (and continues to do so), who cares? Much like my dad enjoys watching the auditions for The X Factor but doesn't give a toss about the rest of the series.
The Voice gets eight extremely popular episodes that win their slot and four or five that maybe don't but are still highly competitive and outperform everything else on BBC1 that night. Doesn't sound a disaster to me. Sounds like The X Factor.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Takeaway is a diificult watch because it's so stop/start, and not just because of all the commercial breaks, but because of all the little segments which don't seem to link together in any way.”
“Takeaway is a diificult watch because it's so stop/start, and not just because of all the commercial breaks, but because of all the little segments which don't seem to link together in any way.”
I always watch Takeaway on Sunday as a recording, because of the adverts which I find irritating in a way I don't with other shows on commercial TV, and also in case one of them dies during Ant vs Dec. I enjoy it, I thought NTV with Dick Spatsley was a lot of fun this weekend, and they can mount a spectacle. Because as mentioned, it's got an enormous budget.
Noel used to say that one of the things you had to do on light entertainment was have a format where the mechanics weren't obvious to the viewer, so they didn't predict everything that was going to happen next. But maybe viewers prefer that kind of thing now.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“BBC2 should be aiming for innovation and originality and pushing the boundaries and those programmes aren't necessarily going to attract a lot of viewers (particularly in an age when viewers can have as many as 200+ channels to choose). But that doesn't mean those programmes aren't very good programmes or don't deserve to be made.
It has been suggested that the BBC are sticking with some of the programmes because of competition from Sky; because the BBC fear losing the talent to Sky. And Sky remain willing to produce home-grown programmes even though many of them don't rate very highly in the overnights even by Sky's lower expectations. And they do that because the best of these programmes, such as Moone Boy, enhance their reputation. Just as programmes like Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle and Inside No 9 will enhance the reputation of BBC Comedy.”
“BBC2 should be aiming for innovation and originality and pushing the boundaries and those programmes aren't necessarily going to attract a lot of viewers (particularly in an age when viewers can have as many as 200+ channels to choose). But that doesn't mean those programmes aren't very good programmes or don't deserve to be made.
It has been suggested that the BBC are sticking with some of the programmes because of competition from Sky; because the BBC fear losing the talent to Sky. And Sky remain willing to produce home-grown programmes even though many of them don't rate very highly in the overnights even by Sky's lower expectations. And they do that because the best of these programmes, such as Moone Boy, enhance their reputation. Just as programmes like Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle and Inside No 9 will enhance the reputation of BBC Comedy.”
Brilliant post, exactly right. The fact Sky are committing to this kind of thing despite low ratings illustrates how valued these shows are to their audience and why it's certainly important BBC2 continue with them. It's important to remember that they are doing well in relative terms. Fist of Fun was getting about three million in 1995 and that was when the vast majority of people had only four channels, and in its 9pm slot the opposition was the news, an ITV drama and something on C4. Didn't like the ITV drama and didn't want to watch the news? A 50/50 chance you'd go for that. These days with umpteen channels for everyone to choose from, and later in the evening, Stewart Lee is getting about a third of the audience he had then which I think is pretty good going. Amazing it even does that well.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“The thing is the likes of Father Ted only grew into big hits thanks to repeats. New episodes might have got the plum 9.30pm slot in between Friends and Frasier, along with a few other sitcoms at the time, but you'd also find previous series repeated there too - and C4 doesn't give it's own shows the luxury of flagship repeat slots anymore. I'm sure The IT Crowd would have been far bigger than it was had it been repeated better.”
“The thing is the likes of Father Ted only grew into big hits thanks to repeats. New episodes might have got the plum 9.30pm slot in between Friends and Frasier, along with a few other sitcoms at the time, but you'd also find previous series repeated there too - and C4 doesn't give it's own shows the luxury of flagship repeat slots anymore. I'm sure The IT Crowd would have been far bigger than it was had it been repeated better.”
Well, you have the ten trillion repeats on E4 which clearly help out shows like The Inbetweeners. A bit topical given we were talking about Family Guy because of course that didn't grow on BBC3 because of primetime screenings, it was thanks to the umpteen late night repeats.
I don't know if Father Ted was helped out by repeats at the time, the first series was only repeated once, on Saturday nights, before the second series began. What helped that was C4 sticking with it and promoting it. In fact the Friday 9.30 slot was a bit overrated, I know when Spaced was in there it was fifth out of the five channels, and I think the same has been true with Peep Show and The IT Crowd in more recent times. They were never rating brilliantly and the latter two dipped under a million on occasions. But obviously they're now much-loved series - thanks to their loyal audience. Ricky Gervais says a load of crap but there is something on how he says he wanted to make a million people's favourite programme, not eight million people's eighth favourite programme.
BARB ratings are out for week ending March 2nd and the numbers for BBC2 look very odd.
Dragon's Den went from an overnight of 3.23m to a final rating of 3.26m? That just doesn't sound right to me.
The Top Gear timeshift seems very low too from 5.10m to 5.64m? It's usually closer to 700k in timeshift.
It just looks bizarre.
Dragon's Den went from an overnight of 3.23m to a final rating of 3.26m? That just doesn't sound right to me.
The Top Gear timeshift seems very low too from 5.10m to 5.64m? It's usually closer to 700k in timeshift.It just looks bizarre.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“BARB ratings are out for week ending March 2nd and the numbers for BBC2 look very odd.
Dragon's Den went from an overnight of 3.23m to a final rating of 3.26m? That just doesn't sound right to me. The Top Gear timeshift seems very low too from 5.10m to 5.64m? It's usually closer to 700k in timeshift.
It just looks bizarre.”
“BARB ratings are out for week ending March 2nd and the numbers for BBC2 look very odd.
Dragon's Den went from an overnight of 3.23m to a final rating of 3.26m? That just doesn't sound right to me.
The Top Gear timeshift seems very low too from 5.10m to 5.64m? It's usually closer to 700k in timeshift.It just looks bizarre.”
Wales opted out of both to show snooker.
Shame about Call the Midwife being down but it had another great timeshift last week, 10.65m (+1.70m), so hopefully it will still squeeze past 10m in officials.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Wales opted out of both to show snooker.”
“Wales opted out of both to show snooker.”
And now it all makes sense! Thanks Neil.
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“You said 5.6m last week
”
“You said 5.6m last week
”
It appears I was right with that Ep6 of Musketeers 5.62m.
From Andy Parish
Ratings for The Musketeers. That's a lower timeshift than I was expecting for episode 6.
Ratings for The Musketeers. That's a lower timeshift than I was expecting for episode 6.
Code:
Ep1 - 7.41m + (1.87m) = 9.28m Ep2 - 6.01m + (1.57m) = 7.58m Ep3 - 5.28m + (1.49m) = 6.77m Ep4 - 4.83m + (1.31m) = 6.14m Ep5 - 4.52m + (1.39m) = 5.91m Ep6 - 4.40m + (1.22m) = 5.62m Ep7 - 4.44m + ????
Salamander has been pretty consistent throughout it's run, at 1.1m ish, on BBC4.
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While overnights for TOWIE appear to be down this series, it seems to be time shifting better with the first two EPs of this series both rating pretty much the same as last year officially with around 1.2m each ex +1.
Just over 800k inc +1 for The Smoke's second ep on Sky 1 (no week 1 figures on Barb), seems like a decent figure for them.
The imports across the Sky Channels doing the buissness as usual back after their mid season breaks with True Detective actually getting some people to watch Sky Atlantic!
Just over 800k inc +1 for The Smoke's second ep on Sky 1 (no week 1 figures on Barb), seems like a decent figure for them.
The imports across the Sky Channels doing the buissness as usual back after their mid season breaks with True Detective actually getting some people to watch Sky Atlantic!
Much needed good news for ABC last night, with new series Ressurection premiering to a pretty amazing 3.6 demo rating, it also boosted the rest of the night with OUAT returning up with a 2.3 and Revenge getting a 1.9 in the new 10pm timeslot both well up on their last eps.
On the downside The Good Wife sunk to a 1.3 opposite tough competition, which will only get worse when NBC airs their new shows, I was hoping for a final season from TGW but those ratings are terrible.
On the downside The Good Wife sunk to a 1.3 opposite tough competition, which will only get worse when NBC airs their new shows, I was hoping for a final season from TGW but those ratings are terrible.
Consolidated data for key Channel 5 programmes w/e March 2
Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away: 2.36m
The Mentalist: 2.03m
NCIS: 1.78m
The Hotel Inspector: 1.68m
Ice Road Truckers: 1.44m
Henry and Anne: 1.36m
Longmire [5USA]: 394k
includes +1 and +24 where appropriate
Pretty solid week. Can't Pay an obvious standout. NCIS and Hotel Inspector a little below where they should be but Mentalist and IRT rating above average. The doc on Henry and Anne is a great example of the two timeshift channels doing their job, with nearly 20% of its audience coming via either C5+1 or C5+24. Longmire is consistent and worth the upcoming rerun on the main channel.
Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away: 2.36m
The Mentalist: 2.03m
NCIS: 1.78m
The Hotel Inspector: 1.68m
Ice Road Truckers: 1.44m
Henry and Anne: 1.36m
Longmire [5USA]: 394k
includes +1 and +24 where appropriate
Pretty solid week. Can't Pay an obvious standout. NCIS and Hotel Inspector a little below where they should be but Mentalist and IRT rating above average. The doc on Henry and Anne is a great example of the two timeshift channels doing their job, with nearly 20% of its audience coming via either C5+1 or C5+24. Longmire is consistent and worth the upcoming rerun on the main channel.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“From Andy Parish
Ratings for The Musketeers. That's a lower timeshift than I was expecting for episode 6.
”
“From Andy Parish
Ratings for The Musketeers. That's a lower timeshift than I was expecting for episode 6.
Code:
Ep1 - 7.41m + (1.87m) = 9.28m Ep2 - 6.01m + (1.57m) = 7.58m Ep3 - 5.28m + (1.49m) = 6.77m Ep4 - 4.83m + (1.31m) = 6.14m Ep5 - 4.52m + (1.39m) = 5.91m Ep6 - 4.40m + (1.22m) = 5.62m Ep7 - 4.44m + ????
Still fine for a drama, but a bit low for a drama of Musketeers stature. A 3.7m drop in consolidation which is huge. I'm interested to see how it fares without that CTM lead in - will it drop again? I suspect it will.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Still fine for a drama, but a bit low for a drama of Musketeers stature. A 3.7m drop in consolidation which is huge. I'm interested to see how it fares without that CTM lead in - will it drop again? I suspect it will.”
“Still fine for a drama, but a bit low for a drama of Musketeers stature. A 3.7m drop in consolidation which is huge. I'm interested to see how it fares without that CTM lead in - will it drop again? I suspect it will.”
It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?
So.....
over in the US...
Resurrection premier with 13 million viewers and 3.6 demo.
I don't think anyone saw that coming.
Best Mid - Season premiere in 2 years
over in the US...
Resurrection premier with 13 million viewers and 3.6 demo.
I don't think anyone saw that coming.
Best Mid - Season premiere in 2 years
Originally Posted by burbe:
“It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?”
“It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?”
Might do, although with TVUK on a downward trend and bound to be around 6m+ on Sunday (2.5m below a Midwife lead in) I suspect at the lowest it will drop will be 4.2m, but I with these reasons it should stay put at 4.4m, perhaps rising to 4.5m. Can't see it doing much more than that.
Really looking forward to Michael McIntyre chat show tonight, however I can only see it being either really good or terrible. Hopefully the former.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Still fine for a drama, but a bit low for a drama of Musketeers stature. A 3.7m drop in consolidation which is huge. I'm interested to see how it fares without that CTM lead in - will it drop again? I suspect it will.”
“Still fine for a drama, but a bit low for a drama of Musketeers stature. A 3.7m drop in consolidation which is huge. I'm interested to see how it fares without that CTM lead in - will it drop again? I suspect it will.”
Fine ish for a drama. But a small fortune has been spent on it and it has a plum slot following Call The Midwife so 6m would be better.
Originally Posted by burbe:
“It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?”
“It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?”
That's if The Voice gets a Call The Midwife sized 8m on Sunday. This weekend will be an interesting one for The Voice and The Musketeers ratings wise.
Originally Posted by burbe:
“It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?”
“It's got The Voice as lead-in this week, which I imagine has more of a crossover audience than with Call The Midwife. Could remain steady or climb?”
Good point.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“"@overnightstv: England's #sixnations win over Wales averaged 4.7m viewers/36.3%, but peaked at 6.6m/43.7% at 4.40pm"
"@TVRatingsUK: The last ever #DancingOnIce drew 6.18m/24.0% over two hours from 7pm. It knocked back Call the Midwife slightly - it averaged 8.20m/28.9%."
"@TVRatingsUK: #TheMusketeers finally stabilised as it averaged 4.44m/19.7%, 40k up on last week. #MrSelfridge won the slot for ITV with 4.91m/21.5%."”
“"@overnightstv: England's #sixnations win over Wales averaged 4.7m viewers/36.3%, but peaked at 6.6m/43.7% at 4.40pm"
"@TVRatingsUK: The last ever #DancingOnIce drew 6.18m/24.0% over two hours from 7pm. It knocked back Call the Midwife slightly - it averaged 8.20m/28.9%."
"@TVRatingsUK: #TheMusketeers finally stabilised as it averaged 4.44m/19.7%, 40k up on last week. #MrSelfridge won the slot for ITV with 4.91m/21.5%."”
Nice to see DoI get a bit of a boost for the final - wonder if that was due to it being the final or due to the scheduling. I've said all along they'd have been better off with an all in one show to stop giving people the opportunity to switch to Call the Midwife and then skip the results.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“That's if The Voice gets a Call The Midwife sized 8m on Sunday. This weekend will be an interesting one for The Voice and The Musketeers ratings wise.”
“That's if The Voice gets a Call The Midwife sized 8m on Sunday. This weekend will be an interesting one for The Voice and The Musketeers ratings wise.”
As usual I think too much being made of lead ins. When Musketeers was unkown the CTM lead in would be a boost but now I cant see why it would. The 4m+ who have watched the last 2 weeks are not going to be put off because CTM is not on. The opposition is the same so I cant see too much changing really. As you say though interesting for both shows this weekend.
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