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The Ratings Thread (Part 58)
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D.M.N.
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by ChrisE:
“Have you got any figures for the F1, D.M.N?”

Yeah, will post them in here.

2013
BBC Highlights - 4.01m (27.1%)
Sky (07:00 to 10:30) - 908k (13.0%)
TOTAL => 4.92m

2014
BBC Live - 2.45m (32.7%)
BBC Highlights - 1.07m (12.5%)
Sky (08:00 to 11:30) - 574k (7.7%)
TOTAL => 4.09m

Not surprising considering:

a) the weather difference
b) 'multi 21' must have benefited BBC's highlights in 2013

2014 is higher than 2012, but lower than 2009 through to 2011 and 2013.
JFoster1
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by JB92:
“I really can't see that happening - I think they'd have to mess with their schedules too much for it to go out at 9pm every night. If they did it after 10 then it would have to be around 10:35 after the news, which would get around 1.5-2m max, and wouldn't really be worth it on the main channel.”

They do it for I'm a Celeb and to a lesser extent BGT (as well as a few other shows along the way), so they'd do it for CBB, especially if they kept it in January or August when they don't show that much anyway because its a poor time of year for advertising.

It would be interesting to see how it would perform on ITV2 though and whether it could sustain similar numbers throughout its run, or if it would badly tank like the series that Channel 4 attempted on E4.
Score
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by JB92:
“I really can't see that happening - I think they'd have to mess with their schedules too much for it to go out at 9pm every night. If they did it after 10 then it would have to be around 10:35 after the news, which would get around 1.5-2m max, and wouldn't really be worth it on the main channel.”

I think they'd consider doing it at 9pm on the main channel for 3 weeks. Probably in the Summer, which would mean they'd have to shift the regular series around on ITV2 a bit. Possibly the main series on ITV2 May-early August and then CBB in the second half of August on the main channel. Not sure if that'd work out. It's similar to what C5 do now but without the January CBB series (which I know is tradition for the show, but I'm not sure if they'd want it in January).

Of course, how likely this actually is is another matter entirely - I suspect not very. The show has done very well for C5 and I can't see them giving it up without a fight.
Jaycee Dove
02-04-2014
Let's Get Ready to Tumble was never going to end up called that. We said as much on this thread when it was announced last year. As soon as ITV replied by tagging I'm A Celebrity with 'Let's get ready to jungle' it was an obvious line in the sand moment to say - no you don't, sonny.

The only title I have seen claimed for it to be title is just Tumble (it was the Sun I think said this was the plan). If true (Sun, so maybe not) then is not great but close enough to their first idea without ITV having much of an argument.

And at least we can be grateful that 'Gym will fix it' would create even bigger ructions in the media so is presumably ruled out as an option.

Have mixed thoughts on how well this will do. Probably around Splash ratings levels rather than The Voice. But as with all these shows the celebrity line up and whether anyone breaks their leg in training etc creating big news (not impossible given it is gymnastics and amateurs), is likely to dictate early interest levels.
Andy23
02-04-2014
Very unlikely to see Big Brother on ITV, at least besides maybe a late night round up at 11pm. It wouldn't air at 9pm, maybe 10 years ago but not now. The era of reality tv clogging up the main schedule with any old half baked format all across the year is well over.

It'd rate no better than half the prime time schedule does now, and do more harm than good to ITV's reputation.
SamuelW
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
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Have mixed thoughts on how well this will do. Probably around Splash levels rather than The Voice. But as with all these shows the celebrity line up and whether anyone breaks their leg in training etc (not impossible), is likely to dictate early interest.”

Tumble is a very high quality entertainment show, which has been months in development. It was intiially due to air in Spring but due to the producers working on the format and sealing high profile stars for the series, it seems to have been delayed until September time. It will probably air in the period just before SCD starts. This could become the next entertainment hit for BBC One due to the talent attached to it, as well as the potential entertainment value seeing celebrities endure such tough challenges on the nation;s favourite channel.
yorkie100
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Very unlikely to see Big Brother on ITV, at least besides maybe a late night round up at 11pm. It wouldn't air at 9pm, maybe 10 years ago but not now. The era of reality tv clogging up the main schedule with any old half baked format all across the year is well over.

It'd rate no better than half the prime time schedule does now, and do more harm than good to ITV's reputation.”

Lets hope they get it then !!!
lewiep93
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Tumble is a very high quality entertainment show, which has been months in development. It was intiially due to air in Spring but due to the producers working on the format and sealing high profile stars for the series, it seems to have been delayed until September time. It will probably air in the period just before SCD starts. This could become the next entertainment hit for BBC One due to the talent attached to it, as well as the potential entertainment value seeing celebrities endure such tough challenges on the nation;s favourite channel.”

It sounds absolutely dreadful. I can see it going the same way as that ridiculous puppet gameshow thing.
SamuelW
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“It sounds absolutely dreadful. I can see it going the same way as that ridiculous puppet gameshow thing.”

The puppet gameshow thing was niche, mainly aimed at kids. Tumble is an all star entertainment format involving two of Britain's best loved gymnastic heroes, both of whom have recently won high profile entertainment shows. It will have well known celebrities undergoing dangerous and tough challenges in a sensational area, live to an enthralled nation. Expect good ratings from this show, this isnt another flop. It's a hit in the making and will have plenty of trails on BBC tv/online/radio/news.
yorkie100
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Tumble is a very high quality entertainment show, which has been months in development. It was intiially due to air in Spring but due to the producers working on the format and sealing high profile stars for the series, it seems to have been delayed until September time. It will probably air in the period just before SCD starts. This could become the next entertainment hit for BBC One due to the talent attached to it, as well as the potential entertainment value seeing celebrities endure such tough challenges on the nation;s favourite channel.”

Alternatively - BBC suits have seen it and know its a turkey and are trying to find a spot for it where it will never be seen - anytime on Saturday nights in the summer should do.
Rowan Hedge
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Series 2 of The Musketeers starts filming on Monday

https://twitter.com/BBCOne/status/451385428701376512

They have a lot to do to win back viewers.”

You mean idiots with Barb boxes, but then again 'How do we solve a problem called Barb'.

The ratings system in use is flawed in my opinion, BARB need to introduce time limits for those with BARB equipment say only dropping a third of those with boxes every three years replacing them with new guinea pigs.
Brekkie
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by JB92:
“I really can't see that happening - I think they'd have to mess with their schedules too much for it to go out at 9pm every night. If they did it after 10 then it would have to be around 10:35 after the news, which would get around 1.5-2m max, and wouldn't really be worth it on the main channel.”

ITV do it for I'm a Celeb so there are plenty of points in the schedule where Celeb BB could run for 3 weeks at 9pm - and with no time difference to consider they'd be no problem moving it to 8pm some nights.

I agree a main series wouldn't run nightly in primetime on ITV itself, but along with the ITV2 or late night option they could also do what really should have been done with the move to C5 and realise that expecting people to watch every night for three months is too big an ask, so airing it 3-4 times a week could be an option.


None of this will happen of course - but I'd be quite interested to see how ITV handled Big Brother as I suspect they'd actually do a fairly decent job of it.
Jonwo
02-04-2014
Big Brother probably wouldn't be cost effective for ITV just to have it on ITV2, I imagine Channel 5 will renew it for a few more years. ITV2 should invest in more comedy to pair with The Job Lot and Plebs and maybe reintroduce original drama to the channel.
cylon6
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by Rowan Hedge:
“You mean idiots with Barb boxes, but then again 'How do we solve a problem called Barb'.

The ratings system in use is flawed in my opinion, BARB need to introduce time limits for those with BARB equipment say only dropping a third of those with boxes every three years replacing them with new guinea pigs.”

Less people with BARB boxes each week. Don't blame the system, blame the show.
ChrisE
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Yeah, will post them in here.

2013
BBC Highlights - 4.01m (27.1%)
Sky (07:00 to 10:30) - 908k (13.0%)
TOTAL => 4.92m

2014
BBC Live - 2.45m (32.7%)
BBC Highlights - 1.07m (12.5%)
Sky (08:00 to 11:30) - 574k (7.7%)
TOTAL => 4.09m

Not surprising considering:

a) the weather difference
b) 'multi 21' must have benefited BBC's highlights in 2013

2014 is higher than 2012, but lower than 2009 through to 2011 and 2013.”

Ta muchley.
H of De Vil
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Tumble is a very high quality entertainment show, which has been months in development. It was intiially due to air in Spring but due to the producers working on the format and sealing high profile stars for the series, it seems to have been delayed until September time. It will probably air in the period just before SCD starts. This could become the next entertainment hit for BBC One due to the talent attached to it, as well as the potential entertainment value seeing celebrities endure such tough challenges on the nation;s favourite channel.”

What planet are you living on today? High quality, high profile stars, tough challenges - all that could be said for Splash, and yet the same person who slated it to the hilt, is praising the BBC's next entertainment flop of similar genre.

I really can't see it doing well, and if it doesn't you'll want it out of the schedule within a week.
H of De Vil
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Yep - a whopping 7.43m (6.88m excl. +1)!”

Cheers Superb rating, the final episode should be looking at 7.8m
lewiep93
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“The puppet gameshow thing was niche, mainly aimed at kids. Tumble is an all star entertainment format involving two of Britain's best loved gymnastic heroes, both of whom have recently won high profile entertainment shows. It will have well known celebrities undergoing dangerous and tough challenges in a sensational area, live to an enthralled nation. Expect good ratings from this show, this isnt another flop. It's a hit in the making and will have plenty of trails on BBC tv/online/radio/news.”

Something else that's niche? Do me a favour!
Andy23
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Tumble is a very high quality entertainment show, which has been months in development. It was intiially due to air in Spring but due to the producers working on the format and sealing high profile stars for the series, it seems to have been delayed until September time. It will probably air in the period just before SCD starts. This could become the next entertainment hit for BBC One due to the talent attached to it, as well as the potential entertainment value seeing celebrities endure such tough challenges on the nation;s favourite channel.”

I'm sure you said the same about Reflex.
yorkie100
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“What planet are you living on today? High quality, high profile stars, tough challenges - all that could be said for Splash, and yet the same person who slated it to the hilt, is praising the BBC's next entertainment flop of similar genre.

I really can't see it doing well, and if it doesn't you'll want it out of the schedule within a week.”

To be fair you are doing pretty much the same thing are you not?
cylon6
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Anyone want to take the bet that Endeavour beats Crimson Field both in overnights and officials? ”

I think it might be close between Endeavour and The Crimson Field.
yorkie100
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I think it might be close between Endeavour and The Crimson Field.”

I suspect your right but Endeavour is established around 7m and I am not sure I see it being beaten head to head with an hours start.
Philip Wilson
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I think it might be close between Endeavour and The Crimson Field.”

I'm thinking 5.9m for The Crimson Field and 5.3m inc +1 for Endeavour, CF depressed a little by the hour head start Endeavour gets and Endeavour losing a bit due to better competition. Looking forward to both so hope they don't hurt each other too much.

The Village launched with 6.35m last year but that was at Easter so i think it will be slightly less for this drama, and it did make me chuckle looking through old ratings to see DS describe it as a horror drama.
Brekkie
02-04-2014
The Crimson Field doesn't seem to have had anywhere near the pre-season publicity that The Village had though.

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Big Brother probably wouldn't be cost effective for ITV just to have it on ITV2, I imagine Channel 5 will renew it for a few more years. ITV2 should invest in more comedy to pair with The Job Lot and Plebs and maybe reintroduce original drama to the channel.”

I'm sure I read a few weeks ago about a drama commission for ITV2, but can't find anything online at the moment.

E4 have announced the cast of Glue today - which is basically Skins does Broadchurch.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...rama-glue.html
Rowan Hedge
02-04-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Less people with BARB boxes each week. Don't blame the system, blame the show.”

There is nothing wrong with the show, its Barb that is flawed, ratings across all channels are erratic and shares are dropping and i do hold BARB in contempt for it, how many of those with boxes have had them for years? i'd say the vast majority and as such how can they gauge the nations viewing habits if there is very little fresh blood being brought into the participation program?

Do you actually believe EastEnders and the soaps in general have lost millions of viewers, last year granted EE was dire and i did rip into the show at the rate they were shedding viewers but at the back of my mind i felt the system of measurement for the rating was flawed, i do accept to a degree peoples viewing habits change but i don't accept that the way BARB measure ratings is entirely accurate, they need to change out a third of the sampling panel every three years bringing in fresh panel members.

As for the BBC its time they stopped wasting money on being a member of BARB, they need to stop chasing ratings here in the UK and just produce quality drama and entertainment, ratings should only be a concern fro the commercial networks who use such numbers t set advert rates.
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