The Ratings Thread (Part 58)

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BeethovensPiano

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by Philip Wilson:
“Just the 77th Shaun of the Dead outing on ITV2 last night. Its 402k (3.4%) viewers made it the top multi-channel show at 10pm. #tellyratings

From Jake Kanter

Variety alive and well at ITV2!”

I suppose it makes a change from those "Bourne" films

cylon6

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by burbe:
“But, do the BBC actually care with where the viewers go, as long as it holds up at a good enough figure to keep it running on TV? The BBC isn't a commercial broadcaster and shouldn't be bothered with whether there's an increase in iPlayer figures but not TV. The fact it's remaining consistent since last June (?) is a plus point in there favour, whereas the other soaps are dropping off massively.

It's hardly that important if the overall reach including consolidated ratings and BBC iPlayer for an average episode is around 8-8.5m. Viewing habits have changed, and EE has a much younger audience compared with Corrie and Emmerdale. As long as a good number keep watching on TV. 7m is a fairly good number for overnights, it might not be the powerhouse of 9-10m rating average it used to be, but it's still in the BBC's top 5 most watched programmes each week.”

If the BBC were happy with the ratings for EastEnders they wouldn't have changed the producer. Look at the wording of the press releases. They want ratings up.

D.M.N.

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by El:
“Hi. It seems you lot can find out lots of figures so I was wondering if you could do me a favour.

There's a series called Cedar Cove airing on 5USA, it has been since Sunday February 9 2014. I can't seem to find anywhere how it has rated? Can any one find out? Thanks if you can. ”

Highest figure of 172k inc +1 on 23/03/14 at 17:00.

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Highest figure of 172k inc +1 on 23/03/14 at 17:00. ”

Haha thanks, someone I know was wondering if it was going to get picked up again for 5USA as it's got a second season. That's not too bad is it, 172,000?

cylon6

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Just shows that when ITV tried to make a Mad Men clone they were well wide of the mark.
Actually I think MM is very good.”

Mad Men is good just never popular and now it's less so.

Brekkie

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Well I dont agree with that really. ITV have over the last few weeks been showing new drama 2hrs Sunday / 1hr Monday and 1hr Wednesday. Thats actually about just over 3hrs of actual drama against BBC 2hrs (Sunday/Tuesday). Hardly quite a bit of drama against thin on the ground.”

2+1+1=4 - not "just over 3".

ITV have more repeats of drama than BBC have new drama in primetime - plus even more new drama themselves.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Christ what an awful rating. Watched a bit and it was deserved.

Hold onto your jaw Dancc!

"@Jake_Kanter: No joke, Channel 4 has commissioned a new three-part series titled Shed of the Year. It does exactly what it says on the tin."”

Might be better than it sounds - Amazing Spaces is brilliant, though sounds far more amazing than "Shed of the Year".

Dancc

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by El:
“Haha thanks, someone I know was wondering if it was going to get picked up again for 5USA as it's got a second season. That's not too bad is it, 172,000? ”

That is a very good audience for daytime on 5USA.

They will probably pick up Season 2 if it holds at roughly that level.

duncann

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by Philip Wilson:
“Mad Men returned for a seventh series with a meagre 28,500 (0.2%) viewers – nearly half series six’s debut last year. #tellyratings

Just terrible, I don't know which was worse Sky's purchase of Mad Men or that of Glee.”

I loyally watched Mad Men last night, one of the 0.2%, just on slight delay so I could skip the ad breaks! I love it and will stick with it - however, I couldn't see a single thread about it on here late last night nor know anyone else who watched it, it is no longer a water cooler discussion subject. I agree it is now for diehard core fans, if you came to it fresh you'd have no idea of why any character is likeable, or what anyone was on about, it was downbeat and seriously obtuse. It really ought to be on BBC4.

dan2008

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“If the BBC were happy with the ratings for EastEnders they wouldn't have changed the producer. Look at the wording of the press releases. They want ratings up.”

Overnight ratings for the soaps are currently in decline. Would you say they're struggling?
"I don't think everyone's struggling - I think everyone's watching television in a different way. A lot of our EastEnders viewers watch the show online on iPlayer, so that doesn't worry me. I hope that this story will bring back some old viewers and bring in some new ones."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...#ixzz2zAJETkZb

Regarding EastEnders for Ratings Purpose

Tomorrow night is the actual Death (among other things) but next week is the main event starting Monday at 8pm.
The actual Murder hasn't been promoted but the trailer is being released tomorrow and will air right after EastEnders at 8:30.
I fully expect next weeks episodes to see a boost.

on another note I have noticed that the BBC has stopped it's mention of EastEnders on BBC3 at the end of each episode now too.

yorkie100

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“2+1+1=4 - not "just over 3".

ITV have more repeats of drama than BBC have new drama in primetime - plus even more new drama themselves.
”

If only all maths was so simple.

I have of course stripped out the adverts for my calculation and allowed 45mins of program per hour which is probably generous of me.
I was talking about new drama not repeats although interesting you want to give ITV credit for showing repeats.

cylon6

17-04-2014

This story in Broadcast could have a knock on effect for some popular dramas.
Could some programmes be delayed? Probably not....but then again!

Quote:
“Major TV dramas face disruption in pay dispute

Bectu has threatened to derail production on dramas including Call the Midwife and Doctor Who if a long-running pay dispute is not resolved.

The TV industry trade union is calling on the production units behind some of the UK’s highest-profile returning drama series to raise the day rate for freelance grips from £250 to £300, or risk disruption to their shooting schedules.

BBC in-house dramas Silent Witness and Doctor Who have been targeted by Bectu, while ITV Studios’ Mr Selfridge and Neal Street Productions drama Call the Midwife could also face disruption.
”

cylon6

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Overnight ratings for the soaps are currently in decline. Would you say they're struggling?
"I don't think everyone's struggling - I think everyone's watching television in a different way. A lot of our EastEnders viewers watch the show online on iPlayer, so that doesn't worry me. I hope that this story will bring back some old viewers and bring in some new ones."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...#ixzz2zAJETkZb

Regarding EastEnders for Ratings Purpose

Tomorrow night is the actual Death (among other things) but next week is the main event starting Monday at 8pm.
The actual Murder hasn't been promoted but the trailer is being released tomorrow and will air right after EastEnders at 8:30.
I fully expect next weeks episodes to see a boost.

on another note I have noticed that the BBC has stopped it's mention of EastEnders on BBC3 at the end of each episode now too.”

They don't make producer changes if ratings are good. What is said publicly and thought privately are two different things. They're not doing all of this to keep ratings at 6m. The drop in audience for the BBC1 showing isn't just down to people watching on iPlayer instead.

yorkie100

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“This story in Broadcast could have a knock on effect for some popular dramas.
Could some programmes be delayed? Probably not....but then again!”

I thought Mrs Thatcher had got rid of all the Unions - she will be turning in her grave.

cylon6

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I thought Mrs Thatcher had got rid of all the Unions - she will be turning in her grave. ”

She would NOT like this!

Markynotts

17-04-2014

I know this is not ratings related but this morning I stumbled across a very good programme looking at the special effects master Ray Harryhausen. It was on BBC Two this morning and well worth catching up with it on iplayer.

It was certainly not your regular daytime fodder and felt more like an early evening programme. A shame that a lot of people will have missed out on this being at work.

dan2008

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“They don't make producer changes if ratings are good. What is said publicly and thought privately are two different things. They're not doing all of this to keep ratings at 6m. The drop in audience for the BBC1 showing isn't just down to people watching on iPlayer instead.”

They changed Producer because of the endless complaints that were made to the BBC about the state of EastEnders. Once EastEnders won NO BSA awards (Panel or Public) Lorraine Newmans Days were numbered simple as that.

Viewers are happier with the show now and even the press is on it's side again.

Steve Williams

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by C14E:
“I'm not sure why people get so wound up and offended about the idea of a default audience. Maybe that's not the right term. But we surely all accept that different channels would get different audiences for the same programmes. Nearly any given show on Nat Geo would rate better on Channel 5 which would rate better on Channel 4 which would would rate better on Itv which would rate better on BBC1...”

Different thing, though, isn't it? It would depend on the show and the audience's expectations of the channel. I would expect an entertainment show or a drama to rate well on ITV because they have a strong reputation.

What gets me is the suggestion that BBC1 in some way has an unfair advantage because of this so-called "default" audience, it's blaming the audience for being too thick to watch anything else. If people choose to watch BBC1, how is that possibly BBC1's fault? They're not tricking them into watching it. It's not even the case that tellies go straight to BBC1 when you switch them on anymore! So you get situations where BBC1 had that good Sunday night last week with the Boat Race and there were mealy-mouthed comments that BBC1 in some way didn't deserve it and that ITV were in a hopeless situation.

And Countryfile is a good programme, let's not forget what a risk it was to put it in primetime in the first place. Up until 2009 it was on at eleven o'clock in the morning and it could have completely flopped when they moved it to primetime. It certainly wasn't an easy option. And there are plenty examples of programmes which were big hitters but declined, the endless discussion about 'stEnders is a good example. If Countryfile gets in rubbish presenters and has a really crap relaunch, the ratiings will go down. Viewers aren't being brainwashed.

That's the thing that most annoys me here, suggesting viewers are stupid.

Originally Posted by Philip Wilson:
“Though I do agree that the chance of a Saturday drama is nil at the minute.”

Not least because Casualty is on BBC1.

hyperstarsponge

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“So this Huff Post review of Party House, not really on point then”

I seen some of Party House and look a bit confused at the content.

hyperstarsponge

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Different thing, though, isn't it? It would depend on the show and the audience's expectations of the channel. I would expect an entertainment show or a drama to rate well on ITV because they have a strong reputation.

What gets me is the suggestion that BBC1 in some way has an unfair advantage because of this so-called "default" audience, it's blaming the audience for being too thick to watch anything else. If people choose to watch BBC1, how is that possibly BBC1's fault? They're not tricking them into watching it. It's not even the case that tellies go straight to BBC1 when you switch them on anymore! So you get situations where BBC1 had that good Sunday night last week with the Boat Race and there were mealy-mouthed comments that BBC1 in some way didn't deserve it and that ITV were in a hopeless situation.

And Countryfile is a good programme, let's not forget what a risk it was to put it in primetime in the first place. Up until 2009 it was on at eleven o'clock in the morning and it could have completely flopped when they moved it to primetime. It certainly wasn't an easy option. And there are plenty examples of programmes which were big hitters but declined, the endless discussion about 'stEnders is a good example. If Countryfile gets in rubbish presenters and has a really crap relaunch, the ratiings will go down. Viewers aren't being brainwashed.

That's the thing that most annoys me here, suggesting viewers are stupid.

Not least because Casualty is on BBC1.”

Wonder what happened to that Country Tracks program, Which is suppose to replace Countryfile old slot.

davey_wavey

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“

Code:

1. CORONATION STREET (MON 2029): 8.62m 2. EASTENDERS (MON 2000): 8.10m 3. THE CRIMSON FIELD (SUN 2104): 7.83m 4. COUNTRYFILE (SUN 1903): 7.29m 5. THE WIDOWER (MON 2100): 7.24m 6. THE VOICE UK (SAT 1859): 7.15m 7. EMMERDALE (THU 1902): 6.87m 8. ANT AND DEC'S SATURDAY NIGHT TAKEAWAY (SAT 1901): 6.74m 9. ENDEAVOUR (SUN 2003): 6.36m* 10. UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE LIVE (TUE 1929): 6.22m

* HD estimated at 600k.

Soap Officials w/c 31st March:

Coronation Street:

Mon: 8.55m [+780k] / 8.62m [+650k]
Wed: 8.29m [+970k]
Fri: 8.52m [+870k] / 8.18m {+1.02m]

EastEnders:

Mon: 8.1m [+790k]
Tues: 7.19m [+730k]
Thurs: 7.46m [+640k]
Fri: 6.85m [+650k]

Emmerdale:

Tue: 6.66m [+470k]
Thurs (19:00): 6.87m [+720k]

Avg. for the week/avg. timeshift:

Coronation Street: 8.43m, +854k
EastEnders: 7.4m, +703k
Emmerdale: 6.77m*, +595k

* 2/6 episodes.

Source: Barb”

I'm just quoting these official figures again as it puts to bed the argument that Coronation Street loses two million viewers across the week. As you can see, Coronation Street is stable across the entire week once official ratings come in. So even though overnight ratings fall across the week, it suggests viewers are busier later in the week and have other commitments so they catch up at more convenient times.

EastEnders, however suffers a big drop from 8.1m on Monday to 6.8m on Friday in official figures.

cylon6

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by dan2008:
“They changed Producer because of the endless complaints that were made to the BBC about the state of EastEnders. Once EastEnders won NO BSA awards (Panel or Public) Lorraine Newmans Days were numbered simple as that.

Viewers are happier with the show now and even the press is on it's side again.”

The quality has improved but they want the ratings up too.

xeo

17-04-2014

Annoying excuse. Looking at the figures we have I would guess just less than one million on average watch EastEnders on iPlayer, and most of them were probably watching before the slump. So any decline in the BBC One/BBC Three showings is definitely not being made up online, or at least not to the extent some people make out.

Same goes for all of the soaps.

Philip Wilson

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by davey_wavey:
“I'm just quoting these official figures again as it puts to bed the argument that Coronation Street loses two million viewers across the week. As you can see, Coronation Street is stable across the entire week once official ratings come in. So even though overnight ratings fall across the week, it suggests viewers are busier later in the week and have other commitments so they catch up at more convenient times.

EastEnders, however suffers a big drop from 8.1m on Monday to 6.8m on Friday in official figures.”

Those kind of facts and figures have no place in this thread!

Philip Wilson

17-04-2014

New trailer for Happy Valley: http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2014/04/tv-t...-happy-valley/

A great cast and I'm really looking forward to it, hope it lives up to the promise!

Pizzatheaction

17-04-2014

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“She would NOT like this!”

She'd probably blame the BBC. She blamed them for Spitting Image!

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