O2 & Voda - 2017 for 4G

beecart · 17-02-2014, 22:08

Sadly, O2 and Vodafone have now out their target for 98% of the population to receive 4g back from 2015 to 2017!!!

It's on both websites

http://status.o2.co.uk

Anyone know why this is? O2 was promoting 4G coverage by the end of 2015

jabbamk1 · 17-02-2014, 22:17

Haha, called it.

There was no way O2 (or even Voda) would hit it by the end of 2015. But a 1-2 year delay. That's just bad.... If this info is correct that is. Never did expect them to hit it by the end of 2015 though. Nor do I expect EE to hit 98% by the end of this year, but I don't expect them to be as far off as O2/Voda will be.

Do you have a source for Vodafone?
As a press release released today by Vodafone said-

Quote:

Vodafone is targeting indoor 4G coverage across 98% of the UK population by 2015

A 2 year 4G roll out plan was way too ambitious from Voda and O2. They're not Three/EE.

Everything Goes · 17-02-2014, 22:18

They probably decided 2G was all people really need anyway

The end of 2017 will be their fall back target. Will see if they do any other official announcements.

japaul · 17-02-2014, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by beecart

Sadly, O2 and Vodafone have now out their target for 98% of the population to receive 4g back from 2015 to 2017!!!

It's on both websites

http://status.o2.co.uk

Anyone know why this is? O2 was promoting 4G coverage by the end of 2015

Well it says before 2017 which would suggest 2016 which isn't so different from the 'end of 2015.'

The websites say various things at various times and fact checked official releases still say end of 2015. Also see Vodafone's press release from today
http://www.vodafone.co.uk/cs/groups/...ftst048661.pdf

FWIW I think they will miss the end of 2015 as it seems too tight to me given where they are. Don't think it makes much difference though if it happens sometime in 2016. Still quite impressive. Incidentally I also think EE will miss their 98% outdoor by end of this year claim.

moox · 17-02-2014, 22:20

Makes sense.

EE and 3 have had years of strong innovation and investment via MBNL to work from, so they can presumably do it more quickly.

VF/O2 are in the stone age so it will take longer to get into the 21st century.

AlecR · 17-02-2014, 22:24

Makes sense: their 3G roll-out is a joke.

japaul · 17-02-2014, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecR

Makes sense: their 3G roll-out is a joke.

Ah right - I knew there was a detailed technical explanation for it

Thine Wonk · 17-02-2014, 22:36

I wonder if the member that posted daily about Three's delay will post to let out his frustrations at the push back, after all this will delay a lot of O2 customers getting 4G as planned.

sethpet · 18-02-2014, 07:09

Both companies still working to 2015.

That's not a communication to say rollout has slipped.

iGeek2014 · 18-02-2014, 07:21

I sincerely hope it is by the end of 2015 rather than 2017.

Where I work in Derbyshire I can only get GPRS and in select parts of Derby city centre it isn't much better.

BKM · 18-02-2014, 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by sethpet

Both companies still working to 2015.

That's not a communication to say rollout has slipped.

Their cannot even do 3G in my area so I have no expectation that they will suddenly mend their ways and go straight to 4G by the end of 2015. 2017 would seem much more likely given their starting point!

BKM · 18-02-2014, 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by iGeek2014

I sincerely hope it is by the end of 2015 rather than 2017.

Where I work in Derbyshire I can only get GPRS and in select parts of Derby city centre it isn't much better.

Oxfordshire is the same! Large areas of GRPS and pockets of 3G!

Kierankay · 18-02-2014, 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Their cannot even do 3G in my area so I have no expectation that they will suddenly mend their ways and go straight to 4G by the end of 2015. 2017 would seem much more likely given their starting point!

I thought that's what they would be doing upgrading the 2G masts to 3G and 4G at once? Rather than doing 3G and then 4G at a later date.

moox · 18-02-2014, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Oxfordshire is the same! Large areas of GRPS and pockets of 3G!

Pretty much the same for the whole South West. It's clearly not an impossible challenge as EE / 3 have had very good 3G coverage since at least 2007 and it's only got better since. Very few blackspots now.

flagpole · 18-02-2014, 09:31

i'd like to nominate this for the most factually inaccurate thread title in this forum.

SkipTracer · 18-02-2014, 10:17

I think it’s just a misunderstanding on o2 and Vodafone part as I think they meant to say their 3G networks will cover 98% by 2015.

eljmayes · 18-02-2014, 12:25

Bizarrely Vodafone have 4G in Grantham in Lincolnshire yet not in Lincoln. EE are yet to cover Grantham or Lincoln properly. O2's 4G checker is terrible so I can't see if they are following Vodafone's lead.

It looks like they'll get up to say 90% fairly swiftly (mid 2015) but reaching the higher target may take til 2017.

enapace · 18-02-2014, 13:32

I never saw it likely that O2/Vodafone would manage 98% indoor by end of 2015 I think we will see around 90-95% indoor of them.

Magic Cottage · 18-02-2014, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

Their cannot even do 3G in my area so I have no expectation that they will suddenly mend their ways and go straight to 4G by the end of 2015. 2017 would seem much more likely given their starting point!

Agreed. Where I live they maintain in the shop and online with their coverage checker that we have 'good' 3G but we don't. When i take my dog for a walk, I cannot load up the internet or check things on simple apps. It simply doesn't happen. Friends in my village say the same.

silent_man · 18-02-2014, 18:55

It was only a couple days ago O2 stated they were a few months ahead of schedule. 2017 has always been the official deadline, but both still work towards 2015.

qasdfdsaq · 25-02-2014, 02:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

Makes sense.

EE and 3 have had years of strong innovation and investment via MBNL to work from, so they can presumably do it more quickly.

VF/O2 are in the stone age so it will take longer to get into the 21st century.

As with everything else, it varies by area.

In Edinburgh, O2 and VF launched 4G just over a year after EE did. Comparing the two, a year apart then, O2/VF had 50% more 4G masts in the city than EE did and ten times as many outside the city.

Given where they are today is well ahead of where EE were a year ago, I don't see the problem.

John_Patrick · 25-02-2014, 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by beecart

Sadly, O2 and Vodafone have now out their target for 98% of the population to receive 4g back from 2015 to 2017!!!

It's on both websites

http://status.o2.co.uk

Anyone know why this is? O2 was promoting 4G coverage by the end of 2015

Cos its the most disorganised project in mobile comms ever seen in the UK. They can't organise a p&&& up in a brewery between them.

The Lord Lucan · 25-02-2014, 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

As with everything else, it varies by area.

In Edinburgh, O2 and VF launched 4G just over a year after EE did. Comparing the two, a year apart then, O2/VF had 50% more 4G masts in the city than EE did and ten times as many outside the city.

Given where they are today is well ahead of where EE were a year ago, I don't see the problem.

I totally disagree with this !

qasdfdsaq · 25-02-2014, 03:03

You said yourself you didn't think EE had anywhere near 50 on launch day (30 Oct 2012). O2/VF had at least 74 at launch (19 Nov 2013)

17-02-2014, 22:08	#1
beecart Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 383	O2 & Voda - 2017 for 4G Sadly, O2 and Vodafone have now out their target for 98% of the population to receive 4g back from 2015 to 2017!!! It's on both websites http://status.o2.co.uk Anyone know why this is? O2 was promoting 4G coverage by the end of 2015

17-02-2014, 22:17	#2
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Haha, called it. There was no way O2 (or even Voda) would hit it by the end of 2015. But a 1-2 year delay. That's just bad.... If this info is correct that is. Never did expect them to hit it by the end of 2015 though. Nor do I expect EE to hit 98% by the end of this year, but I don't expect them to be as far off as O2/Voda will be. Do you have a source for Vodafone? As a press release released today by Vodafone said- Quote: Vodafone is targeting indoor 4G coverage across 98% of the UK population by 2015 A 2 year 4G roll out plan was way too ambitious from Voda and O2. They're not Three/EE.

17-02-2014, 22:18	#3
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	They probably decided 2G was all people really need anyway The end of 2017 will be their fall back target. Will see if they do any other official announcements.

17-02-2014, 22:19	#4
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by beecart Sadly, O2 and Vodafone have now out their target for 98% of the population to receive 4g back from 2015 to 2017!!! It's on both websites http://status.o2.co.uk Anyone know why this is? O2 was promoting 4G coverage by the end of 2015 Well it says before 2017 which would suggest 2016 which isn't so different from the 'end of 2015.' The websites say various things at various times and fact checked official releases still say end of 2015. Also see Vodafone's press release from today http://www.vodafone.co.uk/cs/groups/...ftst048661.pdf FWIW I think they will miss the end of 2015 as it seems too tight to me given where they are. Don't think it makes much difference though if it happens sometime in 2016. Still quite impressive. Incidentally I also think EE will miss their 98% outdoor by end of this year claim.

17-02-2014, 22:20	#5
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Makes sense. EE and 3 have had years of strong innovation and investment via MBNL to work from, so they can presumably do it more quickly. VF/O2 are in the stone age so it will take longer to get into the 21st century.

17-02-2014, 22:24	#6
AlecR Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 514	Makes sense: their 3G roll-out is a joke.

17-02-2014, 22:35	#7
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by AlecR Makes sense: their 3G roll-out is a joke. Ah right - I knew there was a detailed technical explanation for it

17-02-2014, 22:36	#8
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	I wonder if the member that posted daily about Three's delay will post to let out his frustrations at the push back, after all this will delay a lot of O2 customers getting 4G as planned.

18-02-2014, 07:09	#9
sethpet Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 494	Both companies still working to 2015. That's not a communication to say rollout has slipped.

18-02-2014, 07:21	#10
iGeek2014 Guest Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 572	I sincerely hope it is by the end of 2015 rather than 2017. Where I work in Derbyshire I can only get GPRS and in select parts of Derby city centre it isn't much better.

18-02-2014, 08:50	#11
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by sethpet Both companies still working to 2015. That's not a communication to say rollout has slipped. Their cannot even do 3G in my area so I have no expectation that they will suddenly mend their ways and go straight to 4G by the end of 2015. 2017 would seem much more likely given their starting point!

18-02-2014, 08:52	#12
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by iGeek2014 I sincerely hope it is by the end of 2015 rather than 2017. Where I work in Derbyshire I can only get GPRS and in select parts of Derby city centre it isn't much better. Oxfordshire is the same! Large areas of GRPS and pockets of 3G!

18-02-2014, 09:02	#13
Kierankay Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Glasgow, United Kingdom Posts: 414	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Their cannot even do 3G in my area so I have no expectation that they will suddenly mend their ways and go straight to 4G by the end of 2015. 2017 would seem much more likely given their starting point! I thought that's what they would be doing upgrading the 2G masts to 3G and 4G at once? Rather than doing 3G and then 4G at a later date.

18-02-2014, 09:28	#14
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Oxfordshire is the same! Large areas of GRPS and pockets of 3G! Pretty much the same for the whole South West. It's clearly not an impossible challenge as EE / 3 have had very good 3G coverage since at least 2007 and it's only got better since. Very few blackspots now.

18-02-2014, 09:31	#15
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	i'd like to nominate this for the most factually inaccurate thread title in this forum.

18-02-2014, 10:17	#16
SkipTracer Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The City and County of Bristol Posts: 2,623	I think it’s just a misunderstanding on o2 and Vodafone part as I think they meant to say their 3G networks will cover 98% by 2015.

18-02-2014, 12:25	#17
eljmayes Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 925	Bizarrely Vodafone have 4G in Grantham in Lincolnshire yet not in Lincoln. EE are yet to cover Grantham or Lincoln properly. O2's 4G checker is terrible so I can't see if they are following Vodafone's lead. It looks like they'll get up to say 90% fairly swiftly (mid 2015) but reaching the higher target may take til 2017.

18-02-2014, 13:32	#18
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	I never saw it likely that O2/Vodafone would manage 98% indoor by end of 2015 I think we will see around 90-95% indoor of them.

18-02-2014, 18:53	#19
Magic Cottage Guest Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,663	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Their cannot even do 3G in my area so I have no expectation that they will suddenly mend their ways and go straight to 4G by the end of 2015. 2017 would seem much more likely given their starting point! Agreed. Where I live they maintain in the shop and online with their coverage checker that we have 'good' 3G but we don't. When i take my dog for a walk, I cannot load up the internet or check things on simple apps. It simply doesn't happen. Friends in my village say the same.

18-02-2014, 18:55	#20
silent_man Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: London Posts: 781	It was only a couple days ago O2 stated they were a few months ahead of schedule. 2017 has always been the official deadline, but both still work towards 2015.

25-02-2014, 02:04	#21
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by moox Makes sense. EE and 3 have had years of strong innovation and investment via MBNL to work from, so they can presumably do it more quickly. VF/O2 are in the stone age so it will take longer to get into the 21st century. As with everything else, it varies by area. In Edinburgh, O2 and VF launched 4G just over a year after EE did. Comparing the two, a year apart then, O2/VF had 50% more 4G masts in the city than EE did and ten times as many outside the city. Given where they are today is well ahead of where EE were a year ago, I don't see the problem.

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25-02-2014, 02:13	#22
John_Patrick Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 904	Quote: Originally Posted by beecart Sadly, O2 and Vodafone have now out their target for 98% of the population to receive 4g back from 2015 to 2017!!! It's on both websites http://status.o2.co.uk Anyone know why this is? O2 was promoting 4G coverage by the end of 2015 Cos its the most disorganised project in mobile comms ever seen in the UK. They can't organise a p&&& up in a brewery between them.

25-02-2014, 02:44	#23
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq As with everything else, it varies by area. In Edinburgh, O2 and VF launched 4G just over a year after EE did. Comparing the two, a year apart then, O2/VF had 50% more 4G masts in the city than EE did and ten times as many outside the city. Given where they are today is well ahead of where EE were a year ago, I don't see the problem. I totally disagree with this !

25-02-2014, 03:03	#24
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	You said yourself you didn't think EE had anywhere near 50 on launch day (30 Oct 2012). O2/VF had at least 74 at launch (19 Nov 2013)