I can't help wondering why Hayley is so unpopular. She won 'her' series so must have had fans then, so what's so different now?
Why is Hayley so unpopular?
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She is. She may not be popular on this forum, but I feel she she's a contender to win with the british public. Forums mean nothing.. Its just a tiny minority on a very large scale.
Personally, she is too Smily Smily Carol Smillie for me. I liked her first series, and was happy she won. This time around I've not really warmed to her the same, like I have other pairs.
I think she's itching to perform Jai Ho again (from what she wears on the result show I'd guess that would be the routine would be), but although it's one of the best performances the show has seen, and the figurehead of her skills, her other performances are good, but sometimes a bit forgettable.
She certainly can skate though.
I think she's itching to perform Jai Ho again (from what she wears on the result show I'd guess that would be the routine would be), but although it's one of the best performances the show has seen, and the figurehead of her skills, her other performances are good, but sometimes a bit forgettable.
She certainly can skate though.
I liked Hayley in her series and wanted her to win but she is one of the weaker skaters and I am annoyed at all the high scores she is getting for being carried around on the ice.
Everyone I know who watches the show wants Ray to win.
Everyone I know who watches the show wants Ray to win.
The problem isn't Hayley, for me, it's the fact that she's constantly hyped up when she offers nothing - it's all style over substance with her performances, and the judges never pull her up on it.
Beth does lots of lifts and tricks (Olympian standard) and is one of the best skaters in the show. Her performance isn't always the best, but she's improved a lot on her performance since last year.
However, she continues to get bashed by the judges because her performance isn't up to the standard that Hayley's is.
Yet, they never mention to Hayley that she's not doing the lifts and tricks that Beth can do, nor do they mention her lack of skating skills - compared to Beth or not, her skating is very, very basic. How can you possibly compare Beth to Hayley, yet never compare Hayley to Beth? It's ridiculously unfair and the judges purposefully and carefully 'select' what they're going to say to try and manipulate the elimination outcome.
They give Hayley choreography that suits her, whilst Beth gets routines that need a 'performance' i.e. her weakest type of routine. It's a farce.
Whilst Hayley's not directly involved, she's the golden girl and I want to see it all blow up in the producers faces.
Then again, if the judges were honest and fair, and the public still kept Hayley in, I'd probably still slag her off because she IS the weakest skater left and doesn't deserve to be there over anyone else now.
Beth does lots of lifts and tricks (Olympian standard) and is one of the best skaters in the show. Her performance isn't always the best, but she's improved a lot on her performance since last year.
However, she continues to get bashed by the judges because her performance isn't up to the standard that Hayley's is.
Yet, they never mention to Hayley that she's not doing the lifts and tricks that Beth can do, nor do they mention her lack of skating skills - compared to Beth or not, her skating is very, very basic. How can you possibly compare Beth to Hayley, yet never compare Hayley to Beth? It's ridiculously unfair and the judges purposefully and carefully 'select' what they're going to say to try and manipulate the elimination outcome.
They give Hayley choreography that suits her, whilst Beth gets routines that need a 'performance' i.e. her weakest type of routine. It's a farce.
Whilst Hayley's not directly involved, she's the golden girl and I want to see it all blow up in the producers faces.
Then again, if the judges were honest and fair, and the public still kept Hayley in, I'd probably still slag her off because she IS the weakest skater left and doesn't deserve to be there over anyone else now.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I liked Hayley in her series and wanted her to win but she is one of the weaker skaters and I am annoyed at all the high scores she is getting for being carried around on the ice.
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“I liked Hayley in her series and wanted her to win but she is one of the weaker skaters and I am annoyed at all the high scores she is getting for being carried around on the ice.
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That annoyed me the first time round
I think Jai Ho was exciting on the night as they had never had a routine like it before (plus she did the four spins). However, watching it afterwards, it was mostly 'arm' dancing, toe pick on the spot, two lifts and the spins. The actual skating was minimal.
I actually think the music carried it.
Originally Posted by Patti-Ann:
“That annoyed me the first time round
I think Jai Ho was exciting on the night as they had never had a routine like it before (plus she did the four spins). However, watching it afterwards, it was mostly 'arm' dancing, toe pick on the spot, two lifts and the spins. The actual skating was minimal.
I actually think the music carried it.”
“That annoyed me the first time round
I think Jai Ho was exciting on the night as they had never had a routine like it before (plus she did the four spins). However, watching it afterwards, it was mostly 'arm' dancing, toe pick on the spot, two lifts and the spins. The actual skating was minimal.
I actually think the music carried it.”
I remember quite a few fms being upset at the time
but this is the champion of champions and Hayley would be a poor winner with all the other skaters being so much better than she is. Poor Suzanne has gone and she is a much better skater than Hayley and she has the performance too. Beth and Suzanne have had some awful routines yet Hayley's have been really good.I do hope Hayley doesn't win.
I don't know if it's so much Hayley was popular in her series or it's a case of she was the best of a bad bunch and got lucky with having a standout routine much as I think Jai Ho was overhyped and I don't actually like it that much I appreciate that for the majority it is a stand out performance.
I think this year the dislike may be because it is very noticeable that she is being favoured. Others make mistakes etc and the judges jump on it straight away whereas Hayley's weaknesses seem very much to have been glossed over and the routines very carefully choreographed to hide the flaws whereas others have been left very much exposed and forced to confront weaknesses and been torn to shreds by the judges regardless of how well they have done.
I think this year the dislike may be because it is very noticeable that she is being favoured. Others make mistakes etc and the judges jump on it straight away whereas Hayley's weaknesses seem very much to have been glossed over and the routines very carefully choreographed to hide the flaws whereas others have been left very much exposed and forced to confront weaknesses and been torn to shreds by the judges regardless of how well they have done.
In the general scheme of things, Hayley clearly isn't unpopular. She's had her vote tested twice (week 1 and this week) and been found to be top half at least.
As regards this forum, the best phrase I found to explain this is "getting away with murder". She may be able to do more than she's showing but so far, she's doing the bare minimum (for an all-star series) of skating, a heck of a lot of performing and still sending the judges into raptures. It's not like Ray who, like him or not, is still showing himself to be an excellent skater. She's getting away with absent skating skills while Beth, who is producing far more technically, is getting slated for supposed absent performing skills.
It looks like favouritism. One celeb can get away with technical basics (comparatively) because of superior performing skills but another can't do the same with performance basics even though their skating skills are clearly superior.
Hayley could arguably skate as well as anyone in her series so she won comfortably. Now, however, she can't and those who care about such things are vocalising their displeasure.
As regards this forum, the best phrase I found to explain this is "getting away with murder". She may be able to do more than she's showing but so far, she's doing the bare minimum (for an all-star series) of skating, a heck of a lot of performing and still sending the judges into raptures. It's not like Ray who, like him or not, is still showing himself to be an excellent skater. She's getting away with absent skating skills while Beth, who is producing far more technically, is getting slated for supposed absent performing skills.
It looks like favouritism. One celeb can get away with technical basics (comparatively) because of superior performing skills but another can't do the same with performance basics even though their skating skills are clearly superior.
Hayley could arguably skate as well as anyone in her series so she won comfortably. Now, however, she can't and those who care about such things are vocalising their displeasure.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“In the general scheme of things, Hayley clearly isn't unpopular. She's had her vote tested twice (week 1 and this week) and been found to be top half at least.
As regards this forum, the best phrase I found to explain this is "getting away with murder". She may be able to do more than she's showing but so far, she's doing the bare minimum (for an all-star series) of skating, a heck of a lot of performing and still sending the judges into raptures. It's not like Ray who, like him or not, is still showing himself to be an excellent skater. She's getting away with absent skating skills while Beth, who is producing far more technically, is getting slated for supposed absent performing skills.
It looks like favouritism. One celeb can get away with technical basics (comparatively) because of superior performing skills but another can't do the same with performance basics even though their skating skills are clearly superior.
Hayley could arguably skate as well as anyone in her series so she won comfortably. Now, however, she can't and those who care about such things are vocalising their displeasure.”
“In the general scheme of things, Hayley clearly isn't unpopular. She's had her vote tested twice (week 1 and this week) and been found to be top half at least.
As regards this forum, the best phrase I found to explain this is "getting away with murder". She may be able to do more than she's showing but so far, she's doing the bare minimum (for an all-star series) of skating, a heck of a lot of performing and still sending the judges into raptures. It's not like Ray who, like him or not, is still showing himself to be an excellent skater. She's getting away with absent skating skills while Beth, who is producing far more technically, is getting slated for supposed absent performing skills.
It looks like favouritism. One celeb can get away with technical basics (comparatively) because of superior performing skills but another can't do the same with performance basics even though their skating skills are clearly superior.
Hayley could arguably skate as well as anyone in her series so she won comfortably. Now, however, she can't and those who care about such things are vocalising their displeasure.”
This.
Whilst not a massive fan of hers I always thought she deserved to win her series but a lot of that was down to the weak competition.
For me she is easily the weakest of the champions - I'm resigned to the fact that she'll be in the final though.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“In the general scheme of things, Hayley clearly isn't unpopular. She's had her vote tested twice (week 1 and this week) and been found to be top half at least.
As regards this forum, the best phrase I found to explain this is "getting away with murder". She may be able to do more than she's showing but so far, she's doing the bare minimum (for an all-star series) of skating, a heck of a lot of performing and still sending the judges into raptures. It's not like Ray who, like him or not, is still showing himself to be an excellent skater. She's getting away with absent skating skills while Beth, who is producing far more technically, is getting slated for supposed absent performing skills.
It looks like favouritism. One celeb can get away with technical basics (comparatively) because of superior performing skills but another can't do the same with performance basics even though their skating skills are clearly superior.
Hayley could arguably skate as well as anyone in her series so she won comfortably. Now, however, she can't and those who care about such things are vocalising their displeasure.”
“In the general scheme of things, Hayley clearly isn't unpopular. She's had her vote tested twice (week 1 and this week) and been found to be top half at least.
As regards this forum, the best phrase I found to explain this is "getting away with murder". She may be able to do more than she's showing but so far, she's doing the bare minimum (for an all-star series) of skating, a heck of a lot of performing and still sending the judges into raptures. It's not like Ray who, like him or not, is still showing himself to be an excellent skater. She's getting away with absent skating skills while Beth, who is producing far more technically, is getting slated for supposed absent performing skills.
It looks like favouritism. One celeb can get away with technical basics (comparatively) because of superior performing skills but another can't do the same with performance basics even though their skating skills are clearly superior.
Hayley could arguably skate as well as anyone in her series so she won comfortably. Now, however, she can't and those who care about such things are vocalising their displeasure.”
its more than that - she's not only skating less in a majority of her routines, but she's not being tasked to do what Beth, Bonnie, or Suzanne are - bigger lifts and bigger tricks. that leaves her doing what she's good at and was aggravated when others who could do the same routines didn't get them.Thats not her fault.
There's a variety of explanations. One is that she can't be given what she can't do - so, like Ray and big lifts, she doesn't get it to do. we don't know either what the limiting factor is either - her or Dan. She's actually been doing less in recent routines which suggests something even odder is going on - possibly work commitments?
Its made worse by the bizarre inconsistent judging - which notes all of Hayley's weaknesses - but continues to give her very high marks. Worse its criticised other people for struggling with what she hasn't been asked to do, and not doing enough difficulty when they have been doing far more than Hayley. Its also marked her up for getting consistently better, if limited, routines - confusing marking the choregraphy with marking the performance of what was given. You can explain that as favouritism, or just terrible judging. There's actually no room for argument about that -as all the judges have raised the same same issues - while giving the high marks still. Bizarrely, they seemed to turn on her too last week, declaring suzanne as a better contender - just in time for her to be ejected.
They now have buried the case for Hayley winning with last week's analysis - its going to be interesting to see if they resurrect her, or just give up on pretending there's a competition left.
More than once Hayley has finished in second place on the leaderboard - meaning she's being rated as 'top girl'. But come Duel week, suddenly Suzanne is 'top girl' and put against Ray. Meanwhile, Hayley and Beth get a routine that highlights Hayley's performance skills and exposes Beth's weaknesses. Not an even match.
Now they have mentioned Hayley's technical shortcomings, I wonder if it will continue into next week?
Now they have mentioned Hayley's technical shortcomings, I wonder if it will continue into next week?
I have said on this forum previously that I find Hayley annoying, but that was mainly down to her early routines - full of jazz hands and gurning.
But, being someone who prefers to look for good, rather than bad, I have been more open-minded about her performances over the last couple of weeks.
(I've been trying the same with Sam incidentally, but struggling...).
Hayley's 'romance-style' routines have been very well-performed, and on VT she comes across as a likeable enough person. With that in mind, I won't be too annoyed if she ends up in the final...as long as she doesn't win.
But what I am finding very annoying is the way (until remarks made last Saturday), Hayley's lack of some skating skills has been ignored, and she has received glowing praise and high marks, while poor Beth has been trying her damndest to improve technically (and performance-wise) and yet is still fighting an uphill battle to get any recognition from the judges at all (although Karen did give her a 9 this week for her superior technical skills).
That is what puts me on the side of Beth over Hayley.
I also felt that the 'Boys V Girls' routines were ruined for the girls because the technical standard had to be scaled down for Hayley.
I am also a little perplexed as to how little Hayley has been actually skating in the last couple of weeks, as I am sure she can do better than this. Her routines are now reminding me of those given to Bonnie, who did struggle at times to skate alone. And yet I think Hayley is better than this (not great, but better).
But, being someone who prefers to look for good, rather than bad, I have been more open-minded about her performances over the last couple of weeks.
(I've been trying the same with Sam incidentally, but struggling...).
Hayley's 'romance-style' routines have been very well-performed, and on VT she comes across as a likeable enough person. With that in mind, I won't be too annoyed if she ends up in the final...as long as she doesn't win.
But what I am finding very annoying is the way (until remarks made last Saturday), Hayley's lack of some skating skills has been ignored, and she has received glowing praise and high marks, while poor Beth has been trying her damndest to improve technically (and performance-wise) and yet is still fighting an uphill battle to get any recognition from the judges at all (although Karen did give her a 9 this week for her superior technical skills).
That is what puts me on the side of Beth over Hayley.
I also felt that the 'Boys V Girls' routines were ruined for the girls because the technical standard had to be scaled down for Hayley.
I am also a little perplexed as to how little Hayley has been actually skating in the last couple of weeks, as I am sure she can do better than this. Her routines are now reminding me of those given to Bonnie, who did struggle at times to skate alone. And yet I think Hayley is better than this (not great, but better).
A lot of interesting answers to my question - thank you for that.
TBH I hadn't really noticed Hayley's lack of skating but will definitely make a point of watching for it this week, especially as it is solo weeks, which should show up "those-who-can" against "those-who-can't". It does seem, though, that one of the main criticisms is her routines, which of course isn't down to her, but to T&D.
TBH I hadn't really noticed Hayley's lack of skating but will definitely make a point of watching for it this week, especially as it is solo weeks, which should show up "those-who-can" against "those-who-can't". It does seem, though, that one of the main criticisms is her routines, which of course isn't down to her, but to T&D.
I think her unpopularity with certain people is the fact that while she performs what she is given very well, she doesn't actually do much skating when compared to the others.
She gets given routines which cater for both her strengths AND her weaknesses - she get given crowd pleasing routines involving lots of dancing around on her toepicks whilst frantically waving her arms, and being carried around by Dan. She delivers a great performance week after week, but her lack of skating ability which was disguised in her series because it was a generally weak group of celebs, is all too obvious in a series where nearly everyone is a former champ / excellent skater.
She also gets praised for her performance, but doesn't get criticised for the lack of technique - whereas a lot of the other celebs (eg Beth) are repeatedly pulled up for a lack of performance while getting little or no recognition for their great skating ability. The celebs can only do the routines they are given, but while Hayley's choreography plays to her strengths, Beth doesn't get given the same courtesy, and it's a shame to see her routines which are packed full of content, and proper skating get lower marks than Hayley's cheesefests which while spectacular are nowhere near as difficult.
At the end of the day, for me at least, I'm for the underdogs, and will always vote for the person I see as being treated unfairly.... And for me - my winner and runner up are Ray and Beth as they are head and shoulders the best skaters there!
She gets given routines which cater for both her strengths AND her weaknesses - she get given crowd pleasing routines involving lots of dancing around on her toepicks whilst frantically waving her arms, and being carried around by Dan. She delivers a great performance week after week, but her lack of skating ability which was disguised in her series because it was a generally weak group of celebs, is all too obvious in a series where nearly everyone is a former champ / excellent skater.
She also gets praised for her performance, but doesn't get criticised for the lack of technique - whereas a lot of the other celebs (eg Beth) are repeatedly pulled up for a lack of performance while getting little or no recognition for their great skating ability. The celebs can only do the routines they are given, but while Hayley's choreography plays to her strengths, Beth doesn't get given the same courtesy, and it's a shame to see her routines which are packed full of content, and proper skating get lower marks than Hayley's cheesefests which while spectacular are nowhere near as difficult.
At the end of the day, for me at least, I'm for the underdogs, and will always vote for the person I see as being treated unfairly.... And for me - my winner and runner up are Ray and Beth as they are head and shoulders the best skaters there!
Is it me or was Hayley doing more actual skating on her series? I look forward to her performances and enjoy watching her, but it does stand out to me that she seems to be doing less and less compared to the others.
The judges have always baffled me with their praise of some people and critical comments towards others, so I won't get into that particular rant, but I think the fact that she never gets negative comments about her technical ability annoys some people and makes her unpopular on here.
In the grand scheme of things, she probably isn't unpopular. Her vote has kept her in the show so far so we'll see what happens with the solo skate.
The judges have always baffled me with their praise of some people and critical comments towards others, so I won't get into that particular rant, but I think the fact that she never gets negative comments about her technical ability annoys some people and makes her unpopular on here.
In the grand scheme of things, she probably isn't unpopular. Her vote has kept her in the show so far so we'll see what happens with the solo skate.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“A lot of interesting answers to my question - thank you for that.
TBH I hadn't really noticed Hayley's lack of skating but will definitely make a point of watching for it this week, especially as it is solo weeks, which should show up "those-who-can" against "those-who-can't". It does seem, though, that one of the main criticisms is her routines, which of course isn't down to her, but to T&D.”
“A lot of interesting answers to my question - thank you for that.
TBH I hadn't really noticed Hayley's lack of skating but will definitely make a point of watching for it this week, especially as it is solo weeks, which should show up "those-who-can" against "those-who-can't". It does seem, though, that one of the main criticisms is her routines, which of course isn't down to her, but to T&D.”
This is true but what remains unanswered is -
Are her routines designed like that because she doesn't have the technical skill to cope with more complicated moves?
or
Have they decided that Hayley is the best (female at least) exponent of the showy dance routine (with not much complicated skating content) and therefore, those routines have gone to her?
Or is it a mix of both? It just seems on the evidence we have thus far, that Hayley's skating isn't as strong as the others so she's been given extravagant dance routines that show us what she can do whilst (to an extent) masking what she can't. Others haven't had that luxury. If the routines are designed around Hayley's skill (or lack thereof), then she can, to an extent, be deemed responsible for the choreography. If she actually can do significantly more then she and the viewers are being short-changed and T&D should give her something that will silence her critics.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“This is true but what remains unanswered is -
Are her routines designed like that because she doesn't have the technical skill to cope with more complicated moves?
or
Have they decided that Hayley is the best (female at least) exponent of the showy dance routine (with not much complicated skating content) and therefore, those routines have gone to her?
Or is it a mix of both? It just seems on the evidence we have thus far, that Hayley's skating isn't as strong as the others so she's been given extravagant dance routines that show us what she can do whilst (to an extent) masking what she can't. Others haven't had that luxury. If the routines are designed around Hayley's skill (or lack thereof), then she can, to an extent, be deemed responsible for the choreography. If she actually can do significantly more then she and the viewers are being short-changed and T&D should give her something that will silence her critics.”
“This is true but what remains unanswered is -
Are her routines designed like that because she doesn't have the technical skill to cope with more complicated moves?
or
Have they decided that Hayley is the best (female at least) exponent of the showy dance routine (with not much complicated skating content) and therefore, those routines have gone to her?
Or is it a mix of both? It just seems on the evidence we have thus far, that Hayley's skating isn't as strong as the others so she's been given extravagant dance routines that show us what she can do whilst (to an extent) masking what she can't. Others haven't had that luxury. If the routines are designed around Hayley's skill (or lack thereof), then she can, to an extent, be deemed responsible for the choreography. If she actually can do significantly more then she and the viewers are being short-changed and T&D should give her something that will silence her critics.”
Dan and Hayley choreographed their own routine this week!
If she's meant to be good then why didn't Dan give her better moves? Why didn't he make it trickier? Why didn't he want to show off how good some people seem to think she is?
All seems a bit odd, unless he knows she's not upto it of course............
I've just looked a Hayley's twitter:
hayley tamaddon @hayleysoraya 16h
Just got back for skating.. A very productive night.. Working hard to improve my solo skating. It's a fab routine.great music and character!
So another 'acting a character' routine?...
hayley tamaddon @hayleysoraya 16h
Just got back for skating.. A very productive night.. Working hard to improve my solo skating. It's a fab routine.great music and character!
So another 'acting a character' routine?...
Originally Posted by TraceyUK:
“Dan and Hayley choreographed their own routine this week!
If she's meant to be good then why didn't Dan give her better moves? Why didn't he make it trickier? Why didn't he want to show off how good some people seem to think she is?
All seems a bit odd, unless he knows she's not up to it of course............”
“Dan and Hayley choreographed their own routine this week!
If she's meant to be good then why didn't Dan give her better moves? Why didn't he make it trickier? Why didn't he want to show off how good some people seem to think she is?
All seems a bit odd, unless he knows she's not up to it of course............”
I didn't realise until after that it was their self-choreographed routine. If I'm honest, I thought it was their most basic yet! I'm not saying she's the best skater there because she isn't but she's done more than that before, however basic. Seems odd to me.
Originally Posted by TraceyUK:
“Dan and Hayley choreographed their own routine this week!
If she's meant to be good then why didn't Dan give her better moves? Why didn't he make it trickier? Why didn't he want to show off how good some people seem to think she is?
All seems a bit odd, unless he knows she's not upto it of course............”
“Dan and Hayley choreographed their own routine this week!
If she's meant to be good then why didn't Dan give her better moves? Why didn't he make it trickier? Why didn't he want to show off how good some people seem to think she is?
All seems a bit odd, unless he knows she's not upto it of course............”
...... OR Dan's a shit choreographer
Originally Posted by LadyH:
“...... OR Dan's a shit choreographer”
“...... OR Dan's a shit choreographer
”
Now that he isn't!!
Ive seen a number of things he's choreographed and they've been excellent. He wouldn't of got near choreographing for the Olympic ceremonies if he wasn't good.
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“I think her unpopularity with certain people is the fact that while she performs what she is given very well, she doesn't actually do much skating when compared to the others.
She gets given routines which cater for both her strengths AND her weaknesses - she get given crowd pleasing routines involving lots of dancing around on her toepicks whilst frantically waving her arms, and being carried around by Dan. She delivers a great performance week after week, but her lack of skating ability which was disguised in her series because it was a generally weak group of celebs, is all too obvious in a series where nearly everyone is a former champ / excellent skater.
She also gets praised for her performance, but doesn't get criticised for the lack of technique - whereas a lot of the other celebs (eg Beth) are repeatedly pulled up for a lack of performance while getting little or no recognition for their great skating ability. The celebs can only do the routines they are given, but while Hayley's choreography plays to her strengths, Beth doesn't get given the same courtesy, and it's a shame to see her routines which are packed full of content, and proper skating get lower marks than Hayley's cheesefests which while spectacular are nowhere near as difficult.
At the end of the day, for me at least, I'm for the underdogs, and will always vote for the person I see as being treated unfairly.... And for me - my winner and runner up are Ray and Beth as they are head and shoulders the best skaters there!”
“I think her unpopularity with certain people is the fact that while she performs what she is given very well, she doesn't actually do much skating when compared to the others.
She gets given routines which cater for both her strengths AND her weaknesses - she get given crowd pleasing routines involving lots of dancing around on her toepicks whilst frantically waving her arms, and being carried around by Dan. She delivers a great performance week after week, but her lack of skating ability which was disguised in her series because it was a generally weak group of celebs, is all too obvious in a series where nearly everyone is a former champ / excellent skater.
She also gets praised for her performance, but doesn't get criticised for the lack of technique - whereas a lot of the other celebs (eg Beth) are repeatedly pulled up for a lack of performance while getting little or no recognition for their great skating ability. The celebs can only do the routines they are given, but while Hayley's choreography plays to her strengths, Beth doesn't get given the same courtesy, and it's a shame to see her routines which are packed full of content, and proper skating get lower marks than Hayley's cheesefests which while spectacular are nowhere near as difficult.
At the end of the day, for me at least, I'm for the underdogs, and will always vote for the person I see as being treated unfairly.... And for me - my winner and runner up are Ray and Beth as they are head and shoulders the best skaters there!”
I agree with all this and Hayley certainly has had some of the most crowd pleasing routines in this series. Ray to win and Beth runner up for me too
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