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Monsters you wished would never return
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grazemytvaddict
21-02-2014
This could be you think that if they got another episode they would be ruined or they were so bad that you wish they would never return but did. IMO I wished the weeping angels would've never returned they had a very good first episode and I thought they would be ruined if they were brought back and they were and I thought they were ruined.
nyder
21-02-2014
With me it's the Slitheen. Worst/silliest monster ever.
JackMShep
21-02-2014
Pretty much all of Mark Gatiss' original ones, the smile-men (or whatever they were called), whatever it was in Fear Her, the vampire-fish things from Vampires in Venice, the things from Night Terrors, and the thing from The Rings of Arkhaten. Basically all the bad episodes have made monsters in, in my opinion, except maybe Victory of the Daleks and Turn Left, which were bad episodes but had good monsters.
TheSilentFez
21-02-2014
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I've heard the Clockwork Droids are returning. Now obviously, I'll wait until I see the episode until I make a final judgement, but I was very happy with the the Clockwork Droids as a one-off and I don't really see the need in bringing them back (if indeed they actually are). They'd have to do something really interesting and new for me to be sold on the idea.
Thrombin
21-02-2014
If a monster is good I would always love it to return.

If a monster is bad I would be intrigued to see how they could redeem it if it returned.

So, no, I'm an enternal optimist, really. Monsters returning feeds into the continuity of the show and the show's universe so there would never be anything I would be against returning.
Pull2Open
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by nyder:
“With me it's the Slitheen. Worst/silliest monster ever.”

I agree, I hate Raxacoricofallapatorians, they are really crap.
adams66
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by nyder:
“With me it's the Slitheen. Worst/silliest monster ever.”

Have you ever seen the Nimon? Or Mandrels? Or Monoids? Or Venom Grubs? Or Voord? Or the Ergon?

I'd argue that the list of silliest monsters ever is quite a lengthy one, and Slitheen aren't actually that close to the top after all...
Pull2Open
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“If a monster is good I would always love it to return.

If a monster is bad I would be intrigued to see how they could redeem it if it returned.

So, no, I'm an enternal optimist, really. Monsters returning feeds into the continuity of the show and the show's universe so there would never be anything I would be against returning.”

The Ergon, The Kandy Man, Gastropods, Tractators??? None of those have a place in modern Who!

The Taran Wood beast however...now you're talkin!!
Thrombin
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by Pull2Open:
“The Ergon, The Kandy Man, Gastropods, Tractators??? None of those have a place in modern Who!

The Taran Wood beast however...now you're talkin!! ”

Hey, I liked the Kandy Man

The thing is, a lot of the problems with these monsters is how they were realised on screen. if they came back, they wouldn't necessarily look the same. The Silurians certainly didn't!
Pull2Open
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Hey, I liked the Kandy Man

The thing is, a lot of the problems with these monsters is how they were realised on screen. if they came back, they wouldn't necessarily look the same. The Silurians certainly didn't!”

But the Silurians were already an interesting concept and as primitive as effects were back then, they were actually quite good. For me, things like the Kandy Man and Tractators were a silly idea (Gastropods being Tractators for all intents and purposes)

Still, Classic Who would be what it was without some silly monsters but they should remain in the past!

brouhaha
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Have you ever seen the Nimon? Or Mandrels? Or Monoids? Or Venom Grubs? Or Voord? Or the Ergon?

I'd argue that the list of silliest monsters ever is quite a lengthy one, and Slitheen aren't actually that close to the top after all...”

All terrible monsters, true, but that's really because they just didn't work on screen due to bad design, direction, whatever.

I don't think people dislike the Slitheen because they looked crap; I think it's more to do with the fact that they were written as farting monsters, which is the sort of silly pub closing time idea you'd never actually expect to end up on screen. They, like the monsters you also mentioned, were embarrassing to watch. The difference is that the Slitheen had embarrassment written into them.

Do lesbian lizard woman and her crap Sontaran butler count as "monsters"? I almost cried in despair the other day when I read they were pencilled in for yet another dreary appearance (an episode I'll only be watching if I find out they get killed off. Horribly. In slow motion.)
rwebster
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by brouhaha:
“Do lesbian lizard woman and her crap Sontaran butler count as "monsters"? I almost cried in despair the other day when I read they were pencilled in for yet another dreary appearance (an episode I'll only be watching if I find out they get killed off. Horribly. In slow motion.)”

It's Capaldi's debut, so, er, good luck skipping that one.
tiggerpooh
21-02-2014
I'd love the Ood to come back. We haven't really seen them since the End of Time in 2009.

We saw 'Nephew' in 2011, but he wasn't in it for long.

I'd also like to see The Mandrels back. I thought they were good in 1979.

http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...f/Mandrels.jpg

And the Sensorites, who are cousins of the Ood. They are LONG overdue s return.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...rites_2654.jpg
mboon
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by brouhaha:
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Do lesbian lizard woman and her crap Sontaran butler count as "monsters"? I almost cried in despair the other day when I read they were pencilled in for yet another dreary appearance (an episode I'll only be watching if I find out they get killed off. Horribly. In slow motion.)”

Liar. You'll be watching...whatever happens. The hyperbole gives you away. I managed to watch all of the episodes with The Slitheen, Peter Kay in a puked up pizza fat suit and The Adipose. Vastra and Strax appearances are a doddle in comparison.
Vopiscus
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Have you ever seen the Nimon? Or Mandrels? Or Monoids? Or Venom Grubs? Or Voord? Or the Ergon?

I'd argue that the list of silliest monsters ever is quite a lengthy one, and Slitheen aren't actually that close to the top after all...”

I don't think we see eye to eye on this one...

The Voord are not "monsters". They look like men in wetsuits with unusual headgear, because that it what they are (the bizarre helmets are presumably what they use to resist the Conscience machine).

The "Venom Grubs" seem to be the larval forms of the Zarbi: I can see nothing silly about them in context.

The Monoids are also fine, apart from their stagily villainous voices, which is something that could easily be fixed. (How much better they would have been if voiced by Miles Fothergill!) They look weird, but - hey! - they're aliens: it's what you would expect. I'd be glad to see them return as more than a mere glove-puppet, but RTD has possibly queered their pitch by nicking much of their story for the Ood.

I can't really see anything particularly silly about the Mandrels and the Nimon, either (do you simply not like the design?). I agree the Ergon is silly (to current sensibilities), but it still marks an advance on its predecessors, the Gell Guards, and if it were brought back it would, of course, be further redesigned.

By contrast, as brouhaha has observed above, the Slitheen "were written as farting monsters". Among the qualities that RTD brought to the new version of Doctor Who was an undifferentiated infantilism, as exemplified by the Slitheen and by the belching wheelie bin in Rose. The Autons can outlive the one-off embarrassing eructation, but basically the Slitheen are one big fart joke (also played as such in SJA), and should never be allowed to return.
Grisonaut
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by brouhaha:
“I don't think people dislike the Slitheen because they looked crap; I think it's more to do with the fact that they were written as farting monsters, which is the sort of silly pub closing time idea you'd never actually expect to end up on screen. They, like the monsters you also mentioned, were embarrassing to watch. The difference is that the Slitheen had embarrassment written into them.)”

Scarily, RTD didn't think there was enough money to use the Ood for Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, and there was a plan to re-use the Slitheen as the slave race.

Thank the heavens they found the extra cash!
daveyboy7472
21-02-2014
I think both the Silurians and The Sontarans should never have returned past their initial stories.

Both of them now have isolated figures in various stories totally at odds with the aims of the main characteristics of the race concerned and they've been played for fun as well. Just to have a proper Sontaran story again would be wonderful.

The_Judge_
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by mboon:
“Liar. You'll be watching...whatever happens. The hyperbole gives you away. I managed to watch all of the episodes with The Slitheen, Peter Kay in a puked up pizza fat suit and The Adipose. Vastra and Strax appearances are a doddle in comparison.”

Hated the Adipose but guess they weren't monsters.

Please don't bring back human dalek (sorry Briggs)
CLL Dodge
21-02-2014
Originally Posted by nyder:
“With me it's the Slitheen. Worst/silliest monster ever.”

They probably amuse 4 year olds.
Batmannequin
22-02-2014
I'd love the Slitheen to come back, personally.

If you ditch the farting, and bring in some actors with gravitas instead of comic timing (no disrespect to Annette Badland who nailed the cafe scene in Boom Town), then on paper they are probably one of the most sinister monsters ever in Who - Giant beasties with massive claws and angelic cherub faces who live for "the hunt" and quite literally wear the skin of their dead victims. That's some Texas Chainsaw Massacre s*** right there.

As I say - ditch the farting and stop playing them for laughs, and they would be true nightmare creatures.

The fact that they have always been (let's not sugar coat this)crap up until now could even play into their effectiveness: the audience would no doubt be very dismissive when a Slitheen popped up ("Oh god, it's the farters again, this is going to be stupid...")so the impact of the creature then suddenly brutally wrecking s*** up would be far greater than if it was a whole new monster that we had no reason to underestimate.

Don't get me wrong, their on-screen antics so far have been woeful, but there is definite potential there (ditto The Nimon - great concept, lumbered with bad execution thusfar) - bad monsters can always become good in the right hands.

Conversely, the ones I'd rather not see back are ones that I have loved in their sole appearances previously - the creatures mentioned in the spoiler above, and the Straw Men from Human Nature/The Family Of Blood [still one of the creepiest monsters in all of Who, I reckon - I have the figure of one of them sat on my Who DVD shelf...) - not because I didn't like them - I adored both of them - but purely because their role in the story was so intrinsically linked with that particular narrative that any attempt to bring them back would be contrived at best, and nonsensical at worst.
edEx
22-02-2014
I'm going to say the Weeping Angels, but only because the incredible impact they had in Blink has IMO been diluted by their reappearance in other stories.
thorr
22-02-2014
Alpha centauri
Dave-H
22-02-2014
Originally Posted by edEx:
“I'm going to say the Weeping Angels, but only because the incredible impact they had in Blink has IMO been diluted by their reappearance in other stories.”

Couldn't agree more with you and the OP about the Weeping Angels.
It's a crime the way their reputation from Blink was ruined, culminating in that beyond ridiculous shot of the "Angel Statue of Liberty"!
The_Judge_
22-02-2014
Vampire ladies. I still haven't watched the episode in full, I found it dull.
saladfingers81
22-02-2014
Sylvia Noble.
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