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Wow you have a short-term memory... just earlier you said it would run at native 4K on PSVR!
I NEVER said it would display at 4K I clearly said "Even though the screen is 1080p, the supersampling of that 4K image should give a very nice final result." I specifically referenced the 1080p display for pity's sake. As usual you half read what is written and run with it in some sort of petty sniping exercise, complete with personal comment. |
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Or maybe people got rid of their original consoles these games run on, but enjoyed the game so much they wanted to replay it...or a new generation of gamers have heard of these games and also wanted to play them.
Graphics are for superficial gamers, gameplay is more important. Why are Sony releasing an upgraded PS4 2 years after the original? Is it for better gameplay? Are all of the people who already own PS4's that will play the same games upgrading to PS4 Pros in the hope that the gameplay will be better? I guarantee some of the people saying gameplay is more important are buying PS4 Pros. Graphics are and always have been a major component of the gaming experience. |
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It's simply not true for the majority of gamers despite what is said, obviously a game has to be enjoyable to play but people ARE playing the same games this generation and last simply because they look better.
Why are Sony releasing an upgraded PS4 2 years after the original? Is it for better gameplay? Are all of the people who already own PS4's that will play the same games upgrading to PS4 Pros in the hope that the gameplay will be better? I guarantee some of the people saying gameplay is more important are buying PS4 Pros. Graphics are and always have been a major component of the gaming experience. People that are buying PS4 Pro will likely fall into one of the following camps... 1. Got a PS4 already but need the latest hardware despite not having a requirement for it, a bit like OCD. 2. Will buy it because it's new - more money than sense. 3. Haven't got a current gen console yet but has the money to afford the top end machine. I highly doubt anyone is buying a Pro just for a graphics boost. If they are then see point 2 above. I'm enjoying the remasters of older games such as GTA 5 and Bioshock because I didn't play them the first time around. I jumped from a PS2 to a PS4. |
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It's simply not true for the majority of gamers despite what is said, obviously a game has to be enjoyable to play but people ARE playing the same games this generation and last simply because they look better.
Why are Sony releasing an upgraded PS4 2 years after the original? Is it for better gameplay? Are all of the people who already own PS4's that will play the same games upgrading to PS4 Pros in the hope that the gameplay will be better? I guarantee some of the people saying gameplay is more important are buying PS4 Pros. Graphics are and always have been a major component of the gaming experience. |
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I disagree hugely. The mobile platform is absolutely massive in terms of gaming these days despite offering inferior graphics to consoles and PCs.
People that are buying PS4 Pro will likely fall into one of the following camps... 1. Got a PS4 already but need the latest hardware despite not having a requirement for it, a bit like OCD. 2. Will buy it because it's new - more money than sense. 3. Haven't got a current gen console yet but has the money to afford the top end machine. I highly doubt anyone is buying a Pro just for a graphics boost. If they are then see point 2 above. I'm enjoying the remasters of older games such as GTA 5 and Bioshock because I didn't play them the first time around. I jumped from a PS2 to a PS4. It's become something of a mantra now that graphics aren't that important but gamers actions and buying habits tell a completely different story. If it was all about the gameplay then the Wii U wouldn't be a massive flop. |
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People that play mobile games aren't 'gamers' in the traditional sense, they're largely folk that don't play games any other way. I used to play mobile games until I realised it's a vastly inferior experience, I'd much rather read a book when out and about but I'm certainly in the minority there as everyone around me has their nose stuck to a phone. Casual (mobile) gamers are not the target audience for new technology and there is no other reason to buy a PS4 Pro than for a graphical improvement, it's the sole reason for it's existence and also the reason why PC gamers spend hundreds of pounds upgrading their rigs on a regular basis.
It's become something of a mantra now that graphics aren't that important but gamers actions and buying habits tell a completely different story. If it was all about the gameplay then the Wii U wouldn't be a massive flop. |
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And yet Minecraft is the biggest selling game on all platforms (other than Tetris), plus Nintendo games for the Wii & Gameboy also sell much more than most other games.
They still make Wii & Gameboy games? ![]() Nintendo have historically sold more in-house games because everything else on their consoles is rubbish (and graphically underpowered), I'd agree Nintendo make great games they just make relatively poor consoles. |
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Yeah, my daughter plays Minecraft(on the Xbox 360, why bother with next gen when the gfx don't change?), she's 7!!
They still make Wii & Gameboy games? ![]() Nintendo have historically sold more in-house games because everything else on their consoles is rubbish (and graphically underpowered), I'd agree Nintendo make great games they just make relatively poor consoles. |
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So you agree that it's not all about graphics, especially when the top 10 games sold worldwide are from old less powerful machines.
I've never said gameplay was unimportant but the appeal of graphical prowess is too often dismissed. I don't know if that's because I've lived through every gaming generation since the Atari 2600 or not but I absolutely detest the trend for retro games, I've played these games before on hardware that was cutting edge at the time and yearned for improvements back then. I may not be a 'hardcore' gamer but I'm definitely a veteran gamer. |
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I'm sure it has a 'wow factor' but I'm not certain I want to spend much time in world that resembles something from the Lawnmower Man, that's why I'm sceptical and I'm sure that's why some people haven't been blown away by it.
As a gamer of over 30 years it can't be underestimated how much GFX are a big part of gaming and I've enjoyed the progression so why regress? People can bleat on all they want about gameplay but the simple fact is everyone buys the new generation consoles because the games will look better not because of any revolutionary gameplay improvements. And from what I can gather gameplay isn't exactly better with VR, sometimes it's completely non-existent. I'll buy into VR when the tech is at a level where it sells itself to me. Horses for courses. |
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But they are better graphics as they are proper 3D environments. Also unlike a lot of conventional games when you zoom into something or move your head closer, the detail improves. The little robots in the VR playroom look amazing for example.
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So you agree that it's not all about graphics, especially when the top 10 games sold worldwide are from old less powerful machines.
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I couldn't care less about resolution to be honest. I'm absolutely loving my time with PSVR. I think it's the best thing to happen to gaming in a long time and has me excited about the medium again. Was getting it bit 'meh' with gaming in general. Too much of the same old stuff churned out but now I almost feel like a kid again playing on a console for the first time and getting excited about the prospect of what is to come in future.
Sure, when you're looking at the 2D dashboard in VR, no one is going to say that looks particularly impressive. Playing in cinematic mode doesn't really appeal to me because I could play on my TV and see a sharper image. But as soon as you're in a game running in VR and the 3D effect becomes apparent then everything just looks good to me. I can look around the pub in London Heist and think wow because everything has solidity and detail and you're inside that world. It would obviously look even better in a higher resolution but I don't feel the need for that in order to be impressed. I also don't agree that people are only buying remastered games for the better graphics. I played the PS3 and PS4 versions of Uncharted and Tomb Raider but mainly so I could have another go at getting the trophies and experiencing those games again. The graphics had a minimal effect on how much I enjoyed them. |
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I couldn't care less about resolution to be honest. I'm absolutely loving my time with PSVR. I think it's the best thing to happen to gaming in a long time and has me excited about the medium again. Was getting it bit 'meh' with gaming in general. Too much of the same old stuff churned out but now I almost feel like a kid again playing on a console for the first time and getting excited about the prospect of what is to come in future.
Sure, when you're looking at the 2D dashboard in VR, no one is going to say that looks particularly impressive. Playing in cinematic mode doesn't really appeal to me because I could play on my TV and see a sharper image. But as soon as you're in a game running in VR and the 3D effect becomes apparent then everything just looks good to me. I can look around the pub in London Heist and think wow because everything has solidity and detail and you're inside that world. It would obviously look even better in a higher resolution but I don't feel the need for that in order to be impressed. I also don't agree that people are only buying remastered games for the better graphics. I played the PS3 and PS4 versions of Uncharted and Tomb Raider but mainly so I could have another go at getting the trophies and experiencing those games again. The graphics had a minimal effect on how much I enjoyed them. |
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Did I hear someone say cex are offering £420 for a Ps VR?
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I disagree hugely. The mobile platform is absolutely massive in terms of gaming these days despite offering inferior graphics to consoles and PCs.
People that are buying PS4 Pro will likely fall into one of the following camps... 1. Got a PS4 already but need the latest hardware despite not having a requirement for it, a bit like OCD. 2. Will buy it because it's new - more money than sense. 3. Haven't got a current gen console yet but has the money to afford the top end machine. I highly doubt anyone is buying a Pro just for a graphics boost. If they are then see point 2 above. I'm enjoying the remasters of older games such as GTA 5 and Bioshock because I didn't play them the first time around. I jumped from a PS2 to a PS4. I'm buying a pro, and I'm buying it specifically for the graphics (and framerate) boost. I don't have more money than sense. I am simply an enthusiast who enjoys playing the games that I love and having the best possible experience (within budget) of those games. If I had more money than sense I would buy a superpowered gaming PC the size of a house. I don't, so I haven't. |
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This is a nonsense post.
I'm buying a pro, and I'm buying it specifically for the graphics (and framerate) boost. I don't have more money than sense. I am simply an enthusiast who enjoys playing the games that I love and having the best possible experience (within budget) of those games. If I had more money than sense I would buy a superpowered gaming PC the size of a house. I don't, so I haven't. |
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Anyone else tried "Alumette"?
I really enjoyed it, very short but actually quite moving, no interaction besides looking around but as its a free download i think it is an essential watch! |
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And this is what Sony is counting on. More money than sense!
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Did I hear someone say cex are offering £420 for a Ps VR?
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Yes, the one in brum centre definitely was on Monday
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Anyone else tried "Alumette"?
I really enjoyed it, very short but actually quite moving, no interaction besides looking around but as its a free download i think it is an essential watch! |
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I remember growing up my mum saying not to sit too close to tv or I'd ruin my eyes......now we're wearing telly's as sunglasses.
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just got it today- i was nervous about how i'd find it after reading a lot and tbh it's as every bit as good as the multitude of rave reviews. The tracking is fantastic as is the comfort, sitting in a Rig or flying through cyberspace in Rez is just awesome. the only game i had problems with was driveclub- felt sick after 2 laps. This is the future of gaming.
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I remember growing up my mum saying not to sit too close to tv or I'd ruin my eyes......now we're wearing telly's as sunglasses.
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