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Old 18-10-2016, 08:36
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Wow you have a short-term memory... just earlier you said it would run at native 4K on PSVR!
Yes I said it would RUN at 4K

I NEVER said it would display at 4K

I clearly said "Even though the screen is 1080p, the supersampling of that 4K image should give a very nice final result."

I specifically referenced the 1080p display for pity's sake.

As usual you half read what is written and run with it in some sort of petty sniping exercise, complete with personal comment.
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Old 18-10-2016, 09:57
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Or maybe people got rid of their original consoles these games run on, but enjoyed the game so much they wanted to replay it...or a new generation of gamers have heard of these games and also wanted to play them.

Graphics are for superficial gamers, gameplay is more important.
It's simply not true for the majority of gamers despite what is said, obviously a game has to be enjoyable to play but people ARE playing the same games this generation and last simply because they look better.
Why are Sony releasing an upgraded PS4 2 years after the original? Is it for better gameplay? Are all of the people who already own PS4's that will play the same games upgrading to PS4 Pros in the hope that the gameplay will be better? I guarantee some of the people saying gameplay is more important are buying PS4 Pros.
Graphics are and always have been a major component of the gaming experience.
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Old 18-10-2016, 11:48
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It's simply not true for the majority of gamers despite what is said, obviously a game has to be enjoyable to play but people ARE playing the same games this generation and last simply because they look better.
Why are Sony releasing an upgraded PS4 2 years after the original? Is it for better gameplay? Are all of the people who already own PS4's that will play the same games upgrading to PS4 Pros in the hope that the gameplay will be better? I guarantee some of the people saying gameplay is more important are buying PS4 Pros.
Graphics are and always have been a major component of the gaming experience.
I disagree hugely. The mobile platform is absolutely massive in terms of gaming these days despite offering inferior graphics to consoles and PCs.

People that are buying PS4 Pro will likely fall into one of the following camps...

1. Got a PS4 already but need the latest hardware despite not having a requirement for it, a bit like OCD.
2. Will buy it because it's new - more money than sense.
3. Haven't got a current gen console yet but has the money to afford the top end machine.

I highly doubt anyone is buying a Pro just for a graphics boost. If they are then see point 2 above.

I'm enjoying the remasters of older games such as GTA 5 and Bioshock because I didn't play them the first time around. I jumped from a PS2 to a PS4.
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Old 18-10-2016, 11:57
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It's simply not true for the majority of gamers despite what is said, obviously a game has to be enjoyable to play but people ARE playing the same games this generation and last simply because they look better.
Why are Sony releasing an upgraded PS4 2 years after the original? Is it for better gameplay? Are all of the people who already own PS4's that will play the same games upgrading to PS4 Pros in the hope that the gameplay will be better? I guarantee some of the people saying gameplay is more important are buying PS4 Pros.
Graphics are and always have been a major component of the gaming experience.
Quite simply too make more money.
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Old 18-10-2016, 12:00
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I disagree hugely. The mobile platform is absolutely massive in terms of gaming these days despite offering inferior graphics to consoles and PCs.

People that are buying PS4 Pro will likely fall into one of the following camps...

1. Got a PS4 already but need the latest hardware despite not having a requirement for it, a bit like OCD.
2. Will buy it because it's new - more money than sense.
3. Haven't got a current gen console yet but has the money to afford the top end machine.

I highly doubt anyone is buying a Pro just for a graphics boost. If they are then see point 2 above.

I'm enjoying the remasters of older games such as GTA 5 and Bioshock because I didn't play them the first time around. I jumped from a PS2 to a PS4.
People that play mobile games aren't 'gamers' in the traditional sense, they're largely folk that don't play games any other way. I used to play mobile games until I realised it's a vastly inferior experience, I'd much rather read a book when out and about but I'm certainly in the minority there as everyone around me has their nose stuck to a phone. Casual (mobile) gamers are not the target audience for new technology and there is no other reason to buy a PS4 Pro than for a graphical improvement, it's the sole reason for it's existence and also the reason why PC gamers spend hundreds of pounds upgrading their rigs on a regular basis.
It's become something of a mantra now that graphics aren't that important but gamers actions and buying habits tell a completely different story. If it was all about the gameplay then the Wii U wouldn't be a massive flop.
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Old 18-10-2016, 12:23
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People that play mobile games aren't 'gamers' in the traditional sense, they're largely folk that don't play games any other way. I used to play mobile games until I realised it's a vastly inferior experience, I'd much rather read a book when out and about but I'm certainly in the minority there as everyone around me has their nose stuck to a phone. Casual (mobile) gamers are not the target audience for new technology and there is no other reason to buy a PS4 Pro than for a graphical improvement, it's the sole reason for it's existence and also the reason why PC gamers spend hundreds of pounds upgrading their rigs on a regular basis.
It's become something of a mantra now that graphics aren't that important but gamers actions and buying habits tell a completely different story. If it was all about the gameplay then the Wii U wouldn't be a massive flop.
And yet Minecraft is the biggest selling game on all platforms (other than Tetris), plus Nintendo games for the Wii & Gameboy also sell much more than most other games.
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Old 18-10-2016, 12:33
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And yet Minecraft is the biggest selling game on all platforms (other than Tetris), plus Nintendo games for the Wii & Gameboy also sell much more than most other games.
Yeah, my daughter plays Minecraft(on the Xbox 360, why bother with next gen when the gfx don't change?), she's 7!!
They still make Wii & Gameboy games?
Nintendo have historically sold more in-house games because everything else on their consoles is rubbish (and graphically underpowered), I'd agree Nintendo make great games they just make relatively poor consoles.
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Old 18-10-2016, 12:48
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Yeah, my daughter plays Minecraft(on the Xbox 360, why bother with next gen when the gfx don't change?), she's 7!!
They still make Wii & Gameboy games?
Nintendo have historically sold more in-house games because everything else on their consoles is rubbish (and graphically underpowered), I'd agree Nintendo make great games they just make relatively poor consoles.
So you agree that it's not all about graphics, especially when the top 10 games sold worldwide are from old less powerful machines.
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Old 18-10-2016, 13:02
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So you agree that it's not all about graphics, especially when the top 10 games sold worldwide are from old less powerful machines.
You're talking about a small handful of games that have stumbled across a 'magical formula' it's hardly industry wide, if graphics aren't important what's the point in new consoles or PC upgrades?
I've never said gameplay was unimportant but the appeal of graphical prowess is too often dismissed. I don't know if that's because I've lived through every gaming generation since the Atari 2600 or not but I absolutely detest the trend for retro games, I've played these games before on hardware that was cutting edge at the time and yearned for improvements back then.
I may not be a 'hardcore' gamer but I'm definitely a veteran gamer.
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Old 18-10-2016, 13:14
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I'm sure it has a 'wow factor' but I'm not certain I want to spend much time in world that resembles something from the Lawnmower Man, that's why I'm sceptical and I'm sure that's why some people haven't been blown away by it.
As a gamer of over 30 years it can't be underestimated how much GFX are a big part of gaming and I've enjoyed the progression so why regress? People can bleat on all they want about gameplay but the simple fact is everyone buys the new generation consoles because the games will look better not because of any revolutionary gameplay improvements. And from what I can gather gameplay isn't exactly better with VR, sometimes it's completely non-existent.

I'll buy into VR when the tech is at a level where it sells itself to me. Horses for courses.
But they are better graphics as they are proper 3D environments. Also unlike a lot of conventional games when you zoom into something or move your head closer, the detail improves. The little robots in the VR playroom look amazing for example.
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Old 18-10-2016, 13:57
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But they are better graphics as they are proper 3D environments. Also unlike a lot of conventional games when you zoom into something or move your head closer, the detail improves. The little robots in the VR playroom look amazing for example.
I thought Robot Rescue in particular was breathtaking. It came out of nowhere. I want a full platform game like that.
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Old 18-10-2016, 14:09
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So you agree that it's not all about graphics, especially when the top 10 games sold worldwide are from old less powerful machines.
I agree with that. I'm about to upgrade from PS3 and am hoping this forum will help in deciding what version to go for. If the Pro gives quicker load times and smoother gameplay in both TV play and VR then I'll get that. If not I don't see the point.
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Old 18-10-2016, 15:39
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I couldn't care less about resolution to be honest. I'm absolutely loving my time with PSVR. I think it's the best thing to happen to gaming in a long time and has me excited about the medium again. Was getting it bit 'meh' with gaming in general. Too much of the same old stuff churned out but now I almost feel like a kid again playing on a console for the first time and getting excited about the prospect of what is to come in future.

Sure, when you're looking at the 2D dashboard in VR, no one is going to say that looks particularly impressive. Playing in cinematic mode doesn't really appeal to me because I could play on my TV and see a sharper image. But as soon as you're in a game running in VR and the 3D effect becomes apparent then everything just looks good to me. I can look around the pub in London Heist and think wow because everything has solidity and detail and you're inside that world. It would obviously look even better in a higher resolution but I don't feel the need for that in order to be impressed.

I also don't agree that people are only buying remastered games for the better graphics. I played the PS3 and PS4 versions of Uncharted and Tomb Raider but mainly so I could have another go at getting the trophies and experiencing those games again. The graphics had a minimal effect on how much I enjoyed them.
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Old 18-10-2016, 15:48
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I couldn't care less about resolution to be honest. I'm absolutely loving my time with PSVR. I think it's the best thing to happen to gaming in a long time and has me excited about the medium again. Was getting it bit 'meh' with gaming in general. Too much of the same old stuff churned out but now I almost feel like a kid again playing on a console for the first time and getting excited about the prospect of what is to come in future.

Sure, when you're looking at the 2D dashboard in VR, no one is going to say that looks particularly impressive. Playing in cinematic mode doesn't really appeal to me because I could play on my TV and see a sharper image. But as soon as you're in a game running in VR and the 3D effect becomes apparent then everything just looks good to me. I can look around the pub in London Heist and think wow because everything has solidity and detail and you're inside that world. It would obviously look even better in a higher resolution but I don't feel the need for that in order to be impressed.

I also don't agree that people are only buying remastered games for the better graphics. I played the PS3 and PS4 versions of Uncharted and Tomb Raider but mainly so I could have another go at getting the trophies and experiencing those games again. The graphics had a minimal effect on how much I enjoyed them.
They won't be...it will people buying the game again, becuase they no longer have the older console...I re-brought GTA V not for improved graphics, but because I wanted to play it again and no longer had my older console which I had originally brought the game for....also loved replaying RDR when that came backwards compatiable.
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Old 18-10-2016, 17:23
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Did I hear someone say cex are offering £420 for a Ps VR?
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Old 18-10-2016, 18:08
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I disagree hugely. The mobile platform is absolutely massive in terms of gaming these days despite offering inferior graphics to consoles and PCs.

People that are buying PS4 Pro will likely fall into one of the following camps...

1. Got a PS4 already but need the latest hardware despite not having a requirement for it, a bit like OCD.
2. Will buy it because it's new - more money than sense.
3. Haven't got a current gen console yet but has the money to afford the top end machine.

I highly doubt anyone is buying a Pro just for a graphics boost. If they are then see point 2 above.

I'm enjoying the remasters of older games such as GTA 5 and Bioshock because I didn't play them the first time around. I jumped from a PS2 to a PS4.
This is a nonsense post.

I'm buying a pro, and I'm buying it specifically for the graphics (and framerate) boost.

I don't have more money than sense. I am simply an enthusiast who enjoys playing the games that I love and having the best possible experience (within budget) of those games.

If I had more money than sense I would buy a superpowered gaming PC the size of a house. I don't, so I haven't.
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Old 18-10-2016, 19:10
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This is a nonsense post.

I'm buying a pro, and I'm buying it specifically for the graphics (and framerate) boost.

I don't have more money than sense. I am simply an enthusiast who enjoys playing the games that I love and having the best possible experience (within budget) of those games.

If I had more money than sense I would buy a superpowered gaming PC the size of a house. I don't, so I haven't.
And this is what Sony is counting on. More money than sense!
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Old 18-10-2016, 19:23
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Anyone else tried "Alumette"?

I really enjoyed it, very short but actually quite moving, no interaction besides looking around but as its a free download i think it is an essential watch!
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Old 18-10-2016, 19:56
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And this is what Sony is counting on. More money than sense!
If you can afford the PS Pro then why not. I won't get it personally but if you've got a 4K TV or want a boost to regular or VR graphics then it'll make some people happy. Sony aren't forcing it on people because they're not saying that you'll require it for games in future.
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Old 18-10-2016, 20:16
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Did I hear someone say cex are offering £420 for a Ps VR?
Yes, the one in brum centre definitely was on Monday
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Old 18-10-2016, 22:00
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Yes, the one in brum centre definitely was on Monday
Blimey!
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Old 18-10-2016, 22:14
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Anyone else tried "Alumette"?

I really enjoyed it, very short but actually quite moving, no interaction besides looking around but as its a free download i think it is an essential watch!
Something else that blew me away. I wish I could show the kids
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Old 18-10-2016, 22:42
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I remember growing up my mum saying not to sit too close to tv or I'd ruin my eyes......now we're wearing telly's as sunglasses.
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Old 19-10-2016, 01:05
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just got it today- i was nervous about how i'd find it after reading a lot and tbh it's as every bit as good as the multitude of rave reviews. The tracking is fantastic as is the comfort, sitting in a Rig or flying through cyberspace in Rez is just awesome. the only game i had problems with was driveclub- felt sick after 2 laps. This is the future of gaming.
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Old 19-10-2016, 07:57
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I remember growing up my mum saying not to sit too close to tv or I'd ruin my eyes......now we're wearing telly's as sunglasses.
There will undoubtedly be medical implications for some people using VR, but I think that will become more evident further down the line when VR and the games come of age, basically when you can play a single game for hours like you would on TV, thats when we'll see some of the dangers of messing with the brains sense's lol
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