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Samsung ES6300 - 2. Refresh Rate Issue
P1 MFP
21-02-2014
One of the reasons for selecting this TV was the advertised 200Hz refresh rate. Does anyone know how I can tell if the refresh rate is actually 200Hz? Does anyone know if it is variable on this model? If it is variable, can you tell me how I determine what the rate is in any given setting?

Thanks again, all.
Last edited by P1 MFP : 21-02-2014 at 16:12
evil c
22-02-2014
You can't change the refresh rate. I think my Samsung TV has a refresh rate of 400Hz but to be honest it's all pretty meaningless as this rate is achieved via the picture processing software.

I've read quite a few articles about refresh rate where the authors say more is best, but then again I've read other articles that say it's a red herring, designed to pull in the punters and if you watch TVs in a blind test all with the same source material but with different refresh rates, that there would be no discernible difference.

I read your other threads and like you I wondered which Film Mode to set. Well, I tried all three and there was no difference, so I switched it off.

There's a link below to an article from AVForums to help you on your way to setting up the picture and understanding the plethora of terms, but for me I find that I am constantly changing the settings to suit the source. Mind you I've had my Samsung 3 years and I know the menu systems like the back of my hand.

Buying the TV is the easy part. Setting it up and learning the menus is offputting but experimentation is necessary to get the best picture. What you should do is get hold of a calibration disc or look for a pro review where they have calibrated your model and then listed the post-calibration settings.

However this of course is subjective and furthermore there is a strong possibility that your TV has a different panel to that which the reviewers used, so the calibration results are useless to you.

I note from your profile that you are a retired Electronics Lecturer, so if your skills have not deserted you then a nice little project for you would be to calibrate the picture yourself.

Here's the AVForums Picture Perfect link to get you started: http://www.avforums.com/home/pictureperfect.html
P1 MFP
24-02-2014
Thanks for the response, EC. I am getting used to the Samsung speak but, being from a technical background, I find some of the terms that are used unhelpful. For example, when I was watching F1 last year I noticed a strobe effect following the cars. It resembled a heat haze just behind the trailing edges. I thought that this would be a great opportunity to try a faster refresh rate and set to looking at the menu options. I chose picture options, motion plus only to see terms like "clear", "standard", "smooth", "custom" and "demo". This was very frustrating as I did not know what each meant. I would have preferred to see the parameters that they related to, such as refresh rate etc. for each term. From that I could determine which to select, if any.

Aslo, when I selected "demo" I was frustrated to see that running across the bottom of the screen was "Samsung 100Hz Motion Plus reduces motion blur resulting (in) clearer images". Where was the 200Hz that I had been led to believe this TV was capable of?

Another email to Samsung I think.

As for the self calibration, surprisingly, I have very little kit at home. I don't think that it would be cost effective to get the kit but I will keep it in mind for a later time. At the moment I don't have calibration issues and I have the basics sorted (brightness, contrast, colour, flesh tone and so on) and they are about as good as I would expect from an LED backlit TV.

I will post any reply from Samsung regarding the refresh rate of this moddel here as and when I get it.
evil c
24-02-2014
Hi there, by all accounts you are one of thousands of Samsung customers who can't get to grips with the unhelpful terms. If you take a peek at the 'Samsung F6500 Series 6 blurring problem' thread, the OP and me have been discussing Samsung motion blur and sparkling.

You don't need to contact Samsung about the demo mode 100Hz motion plus as this is a standard demo across the range for all models I think. It's only intended to be used in a retail environment to convincingly demonstrate how Samsung's proprietary motion plus processing negates blur on fast moving scenes. So nothing to do with your particular model is what I'm saying.

I'm surprised you are only just getting round to setting up the 6300 when you have had it all this time.

Looking at another thread in another forum whilst checking out your demo mode query, I see that it might be possible to set a custom refresh rate after all in PC/Game mode, although not in Hz. It's Post #321 about two thirds down this page in the ES6300 Owners thread in AVForums: http://www.avforums.com/threads/sams...626699/page-11
P1 MFP
25-02-2014
Thanks' for the replies, guys. The response from Samsung has cleared something up. Whereas "refresh rate" is a generic technical term "Clear Motion Rate" is a Samsung term. See below:

"Clear Motion Rate is Samsung's term for refresh rate and the Clear Motion Rate, or CMR for short, is the refresh rate plus additional software built in to the TV to provide a smoother picture. There is very little information available on Clear Motion rate but I have generally found that the raw refresh rate is half of the CMR.

In this case you have 200Hz CMR which evaluates to 100Hz refresh rate and the remaining 100Hz comes from software built in to the TV that improves upon the refresh rate to provide a smoother, clearer picture."


Software is used to synthesise data to fill in the gaps where the image data is missing - essentially.

A little naughty of Samsung to "suggest" that it has a refresh rate beyond the true refresh rate.

As for your concern, EC, I had other more pressing priorities (according to the "boss")..
evil c
25-02-2014
Originally Posted by P1 MFP:
“Thanks' for the replies, guys.”

BIB...There's only one of me!

As to Samsung being a bit naughty re refresh rates, Sony do it too, except they call it 'MotionFlow', Sharp have 'AquoMotion', LG have 'TruMotion' etc. etc. Caveat Emptor!
P1 MFP
26-02-2014
Originally Posted by evil c:
“BIB...There's only one of me!

As to Samsung being a bit naughty re refresh rates, Sony do it too, except they call it 'MotionFlow', Sharp have 'AquoMotion', LG have 'TruMotion' etc. etc. Caveat Emptor!”

That is true for each of us but I acknowledge my er. Thank you, evil c, for being the one who came to my assistance.

Hmmm. A couple of motions come to my mind too.
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