you're the one suggesting the cost is 'subsidised' i'm simply asking you who you think might be doing this.

it seems odd that you would propose that theory without having some idea as to who it might be.

I love the whole concept of a "hope police" and I am going to do my best to use that term regularly

rosetech - you have made me chuckle

on a more on - topic note my daughter dropped her N4 last night and its a complete write-off. Im loather to fork out over £100 just to get a new screen on and was considering buying her a Moto G as a replacement. Might look at the N5 for her instead at this price. I have the N5 and I have been very impressed with it.

You will always get stories of phones and quality control. The iphone has had their fair share of them!!

I have a Nexus 5, as does the Mrs and we have had no problems with them.

they seem to go for around £70 on ebay with cracked screens. FYI.

i gave three possible scenarios, one of them was a subsidised price.
my thoughts?.... Findus (see previous post).

i'll sell you my N4 now that it's sitting doing nothing.

yes i saw that.

they've either bought them in huge bulk so can sell them cheaper than what google can (unlikely), they are selling them at a loss (unlikely), or they are getting them at a subsidised price.

you've ruled out two of them. and you're left with saying they are being 'subsidised' but with no suggestion of by whom.

if you misspoke and do not now think they are being subsidised then you can say that.

when you put them side by side mate the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, they are bigger but not by much that's for sure.

Thats my smashed screen N5 going on Ebay then!

they go for a lot more actually. like £140.

yeah i know. i've seen them side by side. jut odd that the red one has gone back to the smaller holes.

It seemed a bit daft to alter it anyway, my smashed n5 and revised one sound identical.

i said the first two were unlikely... that's not the same as ruling them out.
subsidised priced is the more likely of the three IMO.

as i said... i reckon it's Findus... all part of the mast plan for global fish finger and android domination.

I don't see a subsidised price here, No way the build price is near $300 probably less than $200

there are several internet reports (from reputable sites) that suggest that google itself may be selling it at close to cost or at a loss via the play store.
the theory being that google makes up for it via ad revenues etc (ie it's a loss leader for google).

if that is to be believed that CPW must be selling either at cost or at a loss. but then you have to ask why would CPW do that, unless there is something in it for them.

Isnt a Note 3 build cost less than $250 and I'd guess that the neuxs 5 is cheaper to build.

no idea what the build cost of a note 3 is, or why it would be relevant to the build cost of a nexus 5.

you have a link to someone suggesting the Bill of Parts for an N5 is close to £350 which is what play are charging for the 32GB?

no i don't have a link with that, but i'm sure if you google hard enough you could eventually find one.

of course the UK price of £350 includes 20% VAT and import duties.
and the individual parts cost are not the only costs involved in developing, building and selling any device.

but of course you knew that already.

All I have read is that Google do make a profit on these granted not huge amounts but not at cost or loss to them. Clearly this isn't a great business model other than the side benefits.

Given the build costs of other phones I would reckon this is a very small margin for CPW so my guess is they knew what may be coming from Spain soon.

I can't see why Google would provide any subsidy for CPW to sell these

I also think the Nexus line will be replaced by play edition devices at some point

Haha. Whats your price

I may well put her smashed one on ebay. wondering how to wipe it though with no touchscreen ....... cant even unlock it .....

maybe remote wipe would work ? but would that make it unsellable ?

I like all of my music as I only transferred ones I liked to the computer and I think it's nearly 30gb.

You should not have to cut back especially with the price of memory so low nowadays with decent memory less than £20/32gb (and that's just the cost for us to buy) .

Phones should have 32gb minimum going upto 128gb if they don't have an SD card slot.

I agree several phones I would have considered have been ruled out because of poor memory or crazy prices for an extra 16gb.

I think you can do a reset from the boot menu that comes up when you boot up holding down the volume down button.

Does anyone know where I can see the new Red model in the flesh before buying? I went into a carphonewarehouse the other day to ask the question and they said they had none for me to look at and no stores int he country has any.