Kyran has posted a picture on Twitter of him in a silver outfit saying it's his flying costume and the one Gareth Thomas would have worn. Unless it is a joke on his behalf it suggests the flying routine is back either for the semis or the final. Ray was extremely artistic and graceful at this but I think it's safe to say on the whole that this favours the female celebs.
FLYING back?
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Really sorry the flying is back; it's the worst, most pointless "twist" of all (imo), and agree it definitely favours the females.
Ray was extremely graceful the last time he did it - his ballet training helped - but he also got air sickness, so he won't be looking forward to that 
Wonder if they are having a props week (I hope not). Don't they normally do it when there are 5 left?
Oh no they've confirmed it! Was really hoping the flying wouldn't make a return this series, I always found it quite boring and it definitely favours female skaters. Would much prefer props to flying.
Before I've even seen the routines, with her natural gymnastic ability, Beth should beat the others hands down! If she doesn't get 9s and 10s then I will be very suspicious.
Can't stand the flying. Thought they would have learned their lesson last year when it caused one of the contestants to become seriously ill.
It's boring, pointless and just crap.
It's boring, pointless and just crap.
Originally Posted by Mrs Finkelstein:
“Can't stand the flying. Thought they would have learned their lesson last year when it caused one of the contestants to become seriously ill.
It's boring, pointless and just crap.”
“Can't stand the flying. Thought they would have learned their lesson last year when it caused one of the contestants to become seriously ill.
It's boring, pointless and just crap.”
This. I'm still annoyed on Gareth's behalf for last year.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the show IMO & it's made worse by the fact that it's in the semis or final.
Did the four remaining contestants all have flying in the year that they won? I don't think that it's featured in every series.
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“Did the four remaining contestants all have flying in the year that they won? I don't think that it's featured in every series.”
“Did the four remaining contestants all have flying in the year that they won? I don't think that it's featured in every series.”
I don't think it was in Sam's series, so I guess it puts him at a disadvantage as he hasn't done it before.
Yes it favours females and Ray but isn't it likely this will be the final 3 anyway? And I imagine it favours Ray more than Hayley and Beth anyway.
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“Yes it favours females and Ray but isn't it likely this will be the final 3 anyway? And I imagine it favours Ray more than Hayley and Beth anyway.”
“Yes it favours females and Ray but isn't it likely this will be the final 3 anyway? And I imagine it favours Ray more than Hayley and Beth anyway.”
Going by previous scores it seems to favour Ray more. He got a perfect score in his series which neither Hayley nor Beth did.
My favourite ever flying routine was Hayley's! I thought it was beautiful and should've had the perfect score.
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“Yes it favours females and Ray but isn't it likely this will be the final 3 anyway? And I imagine it favours Ray more than Hayley and Beth anyway.”
“Yes it favours females and Ray but isn't it likely this will be the final 3 anyway? And I imagine it favours Ray more than Hayley and Beth anyway.”
It would favour Ray, who was the best ever male. Suzanne, who probably did best ever at it, and Beth. Hayley wasn't that good. We don't know who has done it in panto do we - that experience would help too? Beth should excel as she's spent much of her career upside down and moving through the air. Sam is surely far too long to control himself? it levels things out against Ray a bit.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“It would favour Ray, who was the best ever male. Suzanne, who probably did best ever at it, and Beth. Hayley wasn't that good. We don't know who has done it in panto do we - that experience would help too? Beth should excel as she's spent much of her career upside down and moving through the air. Sam is surely far too long to control himself? it levels things out against Ray a bit.”
“It would favour Ray, who was the best ever male. Suzanne, who probably did best ever at it, and Beth. Hayley wasn't that good. We don't know who has done it in panto do we - that experience would help too? Beth should excel as she's spent much of her career upside down and moving through the air. Sam is surely far too long to control himself? it levels things out against Ray a bit.”
You'd think so but she was outscored last year by Matt Lapinskas.
Of course there may have been an agenda behind that...
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“You'd think so but she was outscored last year by Matt Lapinskas.
Of course there may have been an agenda behind that...”
“You'd think so but she was outscored last year by Matt Lapinskas.
Of course there may have been an agenda behind that...
”
I think if she had flown around the studio without the wires, they would still have given Matt L more.
It's almost certain Hayley will get higher flying marks than Sam and Beth with Ray top. It will then depend on their other routines which will depend on choreography more than ever. Both Hayley and Beth have had duff routines and good ones but the scores haven't always matched up with the order.
Still it looks very likely it'll end up Ray/Hayley/Beth in that order but where will Sam be?
Hard to see them saving Sam yet again in a skate off but depends who he's against and if Jai Ho or Beths looks as under rehearsed and faulty as Suzannes did...
Still it looks very likely it'll end up Ray/Hayley/Beth in that order but where will Sam be?
Hard to see them saving Sam yet again in a skate off but depends who he's against and if Jai Ho or Beths looks as under rehearsed and faulty as Suzannes did...
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“It's almost certain Hayley will get higher flying marks than Sam and Beth with Ray top. It will then depend on their other routines which will depend on choreography more than ever. Both Hayley and Beth have had duff routines and good ones but the scores haven't always matched up with the order.
Still it looks very likely it'll end up Ray/Hayley/Beth in that order but where will Sam be?
Hard to see them saving Sam yet again in a skate off but depends who he's against and if Jai Ho or Beths looks as under rehearsed and faulty as Suzannes did...”
“It's almost certain Hayley will get higher flying marks than Sam and Beth with Ray top. It will then depend on their other routines which will depend on choreography more than ever. Both Hayley and Beth have had duff routines and good ones but the scores haven't always matched up with the order.
Still it looks very likely it'll end up Ray/Hayley/Beth in that order but where will Sam be?
Hard to see them saving Sam yet again in a skate off but depends who he's against and if Jai Ho or Beths looks as under rehearsed and faulty as Suzannes did...”
Beth has possibly beaten Hayley for weeks in the vote - we know she is doing top 2 or top 3 well, just not quite how well or who is first. . The judges have been clear enough for any viewer to pick up that Hayley can't do much, but they have also been throwing marks at her for it - which is bizarre and may confuse some viewers,
The big question is who the judges turf out next week. The non Ray contenders all have reasons for judges who feel like it to vote for them in a skate off. Jai Ho is still stronger than any Sam or Beth routine, if they continue to ignore difficulty. and lifts. Beth is more capable than Hayley. Sam is the best skater and acts fairly well.. Hayley is the stronger dancer and actor.They can pick who they like. Its close and subjective anyway, and there's a reason available for any choice. The show can also allocate routines to suit who they like, and mark accordingly. The judges can then produce an order that puts whoever they want into the skate off - unless that person tops the vote.
This week suggests that it will be Beth in danger next week. They have given her no story or momentum and few marks - wheras Hayley is still having easier routines and high marks thrown at her. Sam has a late developer story, and rising marks to match. As they have damned Hayley by pointing out all her weaknesses, and damned Beth by negative comments and undermarking, Sam looks like Ray's strongest competition now. Thats bizarre - because he's repeatedly bottomed the vote, and most disadvantaged by flying, and will leave Hayley as runner up if Beth goes next week. . Its consistent though with having the second placed contender from recent weeks in the final, and Hayley's marks suggesting they want her second.
You would hope that someone in ITV would note that the show has ended with no credible opposition to Ray, contradictory marking, and a continuing lack of memorable choregraphy. That should argue against going ahead with a reworked version - without changing those responsible for turning an allstars competition into a damp squib.
To be fair, there was never going to be competition for Ray, unless you had Chris Fountain, and he couldn't win his series, so that was no guarantee either. It is a shame - I've actually really enjoyed the All Stars series much more than the past few, despite the usual flaws, but if you took out Ray the competition would have been so much more exciting. We literally wouldn't have a clue who'd be winning or likely to, and it's quite probable Kyran and Sam wouldn't have been in half as many skate offs as I suspect Ray is stealing their votes. If you're going to vote for a guy, you may as well go for Ray, at the expense of the other boys, but many of the girls are different enough to sustain their own votes, hence why the 3 champions lasted unscathed as long as they did and why Beth and Hayley continue to do well despite 2 weeks on the trot being bottom of the leaderboard.
I thought Hayley was overmarked last night, but I wouldn't say she's that overmarked on the whole - she was still 4th of 5 remember. Also bottom of the solo skate. Beth is treated badly, but as I said elsewhere, maybe it looks so much different in front of your eyes compared to on TV. There's certainly no denying Beth's skills, but when you look at Hayley's energy and general enthusiasm in portraying her routines, Beth doesn't hold a candle. I think this is good as they bring different things to the table and it's why they have both lasted. I hope they make the final with Ray.
The skate off is going to be fascinating next week, especially if it's Sam vs Beth. They can't justify saving him again, but then he won't be nervous about it whereas Beth might, and he might pull something out of the bag as he's managed so far. They also obviously prefer him to Beth.
Next week I'd definitely expect Beth to be bottom with both routines included, but that doesn't mean she'll get bad scores. I think we'll see a glut of 10s next week - lots for Ray, more for Hayley, some for Sam, and even Beth may get a few, but she'll still be bottom even if her total score is somewhere in the 70s. Routines are going to matter hugely and so is the running order.
We also don't know how close the vote is. We know Beth and Hayley are getting votes, but are they close enough that they sometimes swap positions with themselves and the other 2? Very hard to tell so that will matter next week. I think Hayley is safe unless against Ray which is nigh on impossible as a result, unless she messes up Jai Ho which I can see happening! Until we know if Beth is topping or near to topping the vote, we don't know if she can avoid that skate off.
I thought Hayley was overmarked last night, but I wouldn't say she's that overmarked on the whole - she was still 4th of 5 remember. Also bottom of the solo skate. Beth is treated badly, but as I said elsewhere, maybe it looks so much different in front of your eyes compared to on TV. There's certainly no denying Beth's skills, but when you look at Hayley's energy and general enthusiasm in portraying her routines, Beth doesn't hold a candle. I think this is good as they bring different things to the table and it's why they have both lasted. I hope they make the final with Ray.
The skate off is going to be fascinating next week, especially if it's Sam vs Beth. They can't justify saving him again, but then he won't be nervous about it whereas Beth might, and he might pull something out of the bag as he's managed so far. They also obviously prefer him to Beth.
Next week I'd definitely expect Beth to be bottom with both routines included, but that doesn't mean she'll get bad scores. I think we'll see a glut of 10s next week - lots for Ray, more for Hayley, some for Sam, and even Beth may get a few, but she'll still be bottom even if her total score is somewhere in the 70s. Routines are going to matter hugely and so is the running order.
We also don't know how close the vote is. We know Beth and Hayley are getting votes, but are they close enough that they sometimes swap positions with themselves and the other 2? Very hard to tell so that will matter next week. I think Hayley is safe unless against Ray which is nigh on impossible as a result, unless she messes up Jai Ho which I can see happening! Until we know if Beth is topping or near to topping the vote, we don't know if she can avoid that skate off.
Suzanne was the best flier ever on DOI IMO. How interesting that she's missed the chance to do it again.
Originally Posted by Mrs Finkelstein:
“Can't stand the flying. Thought they would have learned their lesson last year when it caused one of the contestants to become seriously ill.
It's boring, pointless and just crap.”
“Can't stand the flying. Thought they would have learned their lesson last year when it caused one of the contestants to become seriously ill.
It's boring, pointless and just crap.”
Yep, complete and utter rubbish and little to do with skating. Had hoped we could avoid it.
Originally Posted by TheGreenMan:
“Yep, complete and utter rubbish and little to do with skating. Had hoped we could avoid it.”
“Yep, complete and utter rubbish and little to do with skating. Had hoped we could avoid it.”
It served the purpose of being something new, and with one contestant every year or so it looked good. The alternative was everyone doing two old routines - and many people only ever got one half decent routine - and who would want to see a lot of mediocre ones redone. They also never found a good replacement - the showdances were terribly choregraphed, impossible to mark fairly , and didn't focus on the contestants - who tended to get lost in the masses. It needed a better idea to replace it - or more good routines that could be repeated........
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“It served the purpose of being something new, and with one contestant every year or so it looked good. The alternative was everyone doing two old routines - and many people only ever got one half decent routine - and who would want to see a lot of mediocre ones redone. They also never found a good replacement - the showdances were terribly choregraphed, impossible to mark fairly , and didn't focus on the contestants - who tended to get lost in the masses. It needed a better idea to replace it - or more good routines that could be repeated........”
“It served the purpose of being something new, and with one contestant every year or so it looked good. The alternative was everyone doing two old routines - and many people only ever got one half decent routine - and who would want to see a lot of mediocre ones redone. They also never found a good replacement - the showdances were terribly choregraphed, impossible to mark fairly , and didn't focus on the contestants - who tended to get lost in the masses. It needed a better idea to replace it - or more good routines that could be repeated........”
Why not just do something along the lines of a new routine, one of their previous routines and a routine using the music and some of the elements of one of T & D's routines - e.g. Finalist A (Barnum), Finalist B (Mack & Mable) and Finalist C (Paso Double). I'd much rather see that than yet more flying, which seldom works and really has nothing to do with ice skating. Not to mention the health issues.
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