So when the war doctor left 10 & 11 he then was unable to remember exactly what had happened but believed he must have used the moment as gallifrey was gone. My question is what exactly happened to skaro? based on what we were shown, gallifrey got transported elsewhere and the dalek's firing at the planet ended up firing on each other and wiping themselves out, but nothing was shown to suggest that skaro moved anywhere, and yet the doctor would have surely checked it was gone, he wouldn't have just assumed it, and 9, 10, 11 say both planet's were wiped out meaning he must have checked and it must have gone somewhere. but how? and where?
What happened to skaro?
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The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).”
“The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).”
Wasn't it Skaro's sun that the Doctor destroyed rather than Skaro?
Granted that a supernova would have wiped Skaro out but a timey wimey or spacey wacey reason could have saved it!
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).”
“The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).”
yeah I thought about that and whilst it seemed like it didn't make sense that he could be there at the time, obviously now we know it wasn't destroyed we know it was possible. It still dosen't explain though why he thought it had been destroyed in the time war. As I said, I don't believe he would have just taken it for granted it was gone, he would have needed to make sure, and yet he as 9, 10, 11 said it was gone as if he knew. the other thing is, thinking it had been destroyed, shouldn't he have been shocked in asylum.
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“yeah I thought about that and whilst it seemed like it didn't make sense that he could be there at the time, obviously now we know it wasn't destroyed we know it was possible. It still dosen't explain though why he thought it had been destroyed in the time war. As I said, I don't believe he would have just taken it for granted it was gone, he would have needed to make sure, and yet he as 9, 10, 11 said it was gone as if he knew. the other thing is, thinking it had been destroyed, shouldn't he have been shocked in asylum.”
“yeah I thought about that and whilst it seemed like it didn't make sense that he could be there at the time, obviously now we know it wasn't destroyed we know it was possible. It still dosen't explain though why he thought it had been destroyed in the time war. As I said, I don't believe he would have just taken it for granted it was gone, he would have needed to make sure, and yet he as 9, 10, 11 said it was gone as if he knew. the other thing is, thinking it had been destroyed, shouldn't he have been shocked in asylum.”
Did he?
What episode did it actually say the Doctor thought Skaro was destroyed?
He thought all the Daleks had been wiped out but I can't recall him saying Skaro had been destroyed.
The very fact that the Doctor can stand there in Asylum means that Skaro itself had no part in the Time War as otherwise it would be in the Time Lock.
Originally Posted by Pull2Open:
“Wasn't it Skaro's sun that the Doctor destroyed rather than Skaro?
Granted that a supernova would have wiped Skaro out but a timey wimey or spacey wacey reason could have saved it!”
“Wasn't it Skaro's sun that the Doctor destroyed rather than Skaro?
Granted that a supernova would have wiped Skaro out but a timey wimey or spacey wacey reason could have saved it!”
Well the books or audios (can't recall which) came up with the idea that it was a different Star System the Doctor destroyed as the Daleks tricked him in someway.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Did he?
What episode did it actually say the Doctor thought Skaro was destroyed?
He thought all the Daleks had been wiped out but I can't recall him saying Skaro had been destroyed.
The very fact that the Doctor can stand there in Asylum means that Skaro itself had no part in the Time War as otherwise it would be in the Time Lock.”
“Did he?
What episode did it actually say the Doctor thought Skaro was destroyed?
He thought all the Daleks had been wiped out but I can't recall him saying Skaro had been destroyed.
The very fact that the Doctor can stand there in Asylum means that Skaro itself had no part in the Time War as otherwise it would be in the Time Lock.”
Well I remember off the top of my head, the master in the sound of drum's saying 'two mighty world's burning, you must have felt like a god' and he didn't disagree
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).”
“The 11th Doctor was on Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks.
It was seemingly abandoned by the Daleks prior to the Time War (we'll ignore the fact it was destroyed by the 7th Doctor for now).”
Didn't the 7th Doctor attempt to escort the Master's remains from Skaro to Galifrey (TV Movie)?
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“Well I remember off the top of my head, the master in the sound of drum's saying 'two mighty world's burning, you must have felt like a god' and he didn't disagree”
“Well I remember off the top of my head, the master in the sound of drum's saying 'two mighty world's burning, you must have felt like a god' and he didn't disagree”
Quote:
“ What did it feel like, though? Two almighty civilisations burning. Oh, tell me, how did that feel?”
“ What did it feel like, though? Two almighty civilisations burning. Oh, tell me, how did that feel?”
No mention of Worlds.
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“Didn't the 7th Doctor attempt to escort the Master's remains from Skaro to Galifrey (TV Movie)?”
“Didn't the 7th Doctor attempt to escort the Master's remains from Skaro to Galifrey (TV Movie)?”
Yeah but that could have been from a point in time (from Skaro's point of view) before the 7th Doctor destroyed Skaro (or thought he did)
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“What episode did it actually say the Doctor thought Skaro was destroyed?”
“What episode did it actually say the Doctor thought Skaro was destroyed?”
Didn't the Ninth Doctor say that Skaro was gone?
Anyone know what tardis.wikia refers to in the survival of skaro section:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Skaro
I can't remember the McCoy episode 'Remembrance of the Daleks' and haven't seen the Pertwee episode 'The Day of the Daleks', but supposedly knowledge of the future destruction of Skaro learnt during the Pertwee episode helped them Teraform a Skaro clone, which is supposedly what blew up in McCoy's episode
Ps presumably all thals were wiped out by kaleds/daleks
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Skaro
I can't remember the McCoy episode 'Remembrance of the Daleks' and haven't seen the Pertwee episode 'The Day of the Daleks', but supposedly knowledge of the future destruction of Skaro learnt during the Pertwee episode helped them Teraform a Skaro clone, which is supposedly what blew up in McCoy's episode
Ps presumably all thals were wiped out by kaleds/daleks
It is actually one of the Daleks themselves who refer to Skaro being destroyed - in 'Daleks In Manhatten'
So yeah, I'm wondering this myself...
Quote:
“DALEK 3: My planet is gone, destroyed in a great war, yet versions of this city stand throughout history. The human race always continues.
DIAGORAS: We've had wars. I've been a soldier myself, and I swore then I'd survive, no matter what.”
“DALEK 3: My planet is gone, destroyed in a great war, yet versions of this city stand throughout history. The human race always continues.
DIAGORAS: We've had wars. I've been a soldier myself, and I swore then I'd survive, no matter what.”
So yeah, I'm wondering this myself...
Originally Posted by emby2:
“It is actually one of the Daleks themselves who refer to Skaro being destroyed - in 'Daleks In Manhatten'
So yeah, I'm wondering this myself...”
“It is actually one of the Daleks themselves who refer to Skaro being destroyed - in 'Daleks In Manhatten'
So yeah, I'm wondering this myself...”
Yeah, was sure someone must have mentioned it because it was basically the official line until day of the doctor. had just found this quote myself actually and was about to post but you beat me to it, still it proves the point, skaro was said to have been destroyed, so my original question is valid.
Originally Posted by emby2:
“It is actually one of the Daleks themselves who refer to Skaro being destroyed - in 'Daleks In Manhatten'
So yeah, I'm wondering this myself...”
“It is actually one of the Daleks themselves who refer to Skaro being destroyed - in 'Daleks In Manhatten'
So yeah, I'm wondering this myself...”
Maybe the Big Bang Mark Two means all bets are off regarding past continuity?
Definately thought Skaro was destroyed when watching Remembrance at the time, but with this show....well, Gallifrey was a goner until very recently.
I think the opinion is that Skaro wasn't destroyed in the time war (who would have done it) rather the buildings and landscapes etc were destroyed, the planet survived. Rather it was devastated, the cities were destroyed:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Howling...e_war%3F%3F%3F
It was then rebuilt by the Progenitor Daleks.
EDIT: what i mean by the bit in the brackets, is the timelords were actively at war with the daleks and were attacking the planet, devastating it by destroying the cities etc, but they did not unleash any weapons which could destroy an entire planet.
Last edited by The_Judge_ : 23-02-2014 at 20:59
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Howling...e_war%3F%3F%3F
It was then rebuilt by the Progenitor Daleks.
EDIT: what i mean by the bit in the brackets, is the timelords were actively at war with the daleks and were attacking the planet, devastating it by destroying the cities etc, but they did not unleash any weapons which could destroy an entire planet.
Last edited by The_Judge_ : 23-02-2014 at 20:59
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“I think the opinion is that Skaro wasn't destroyed in the time war (who would have done it) rather the buildings and landscapes etc were destroyed, the planet survived. Rather it was devastated, the cities were destroyed:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Howling...e_war%3F%3F%3F
It was then rebuilt by the Progenitor Daleks.”
“I think the opinion is that Skaro wasn't destroyed in the time war (who would have done it) rather the buildings and landscapes etc were destroyed, the planet survived. Rather it was devastated, the cities were destroyed:
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Howling...e_war%3F%3F%3F
It was then rebuilt by the Progenitor Daleks.”
See, this is where Im having trouble. you say the 'opinion' is that the planet wasn't destroyed, but everything before day of the doctor, including actual quotes, say it was. I think at this point though, with everyone pointing out how it was also supposed to be destroyed in remembrance of the daleks, that maybe I should just give up and accept that it dosen't make sense and that the various writer's have changed whether gallifrey exists or not depending on what worked for them at the time.
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“I think the opinion is that Skaro wasn't destroyed in the time war (who would have done it) rather the buildings and landscapes etc were destroyed, the planet survived. Rather it was devastated, the cities were destroyed:
It was then rebuilt by the Progenitor Daleks.”
“I think the opinion is that Skaro wasn't destroyed in the time war (who would have done it) rather the buildings and landscapes etc were destroyed, the planet survived. Rather it was devastated, the cities were destroyed:
It was then rebuilt by the Progenitor Daleks.”
This would be my theory too, backed up by dialogue in 'City Of The Daleks'
Quote:
“DOCTOR: They've been busy rebuilding this place too.
AMY: Rebuilding?
DOCTOR: Kalaan, the city of the Daleks. The last time I saw it, it was in ruins and the Daleks had fled. And now Kalaan is reborn”
“DOCTOR: They've been busy rebuilding this place too.
AMY: Rebuilding?
DOCTOR: Kalaan, the city of the Daleks. The last time I saw it, it was in ruins and the Daleks had fled. And now Kalaan is reborn”
This 'last time' must refer to the war, neither the Ninth or Tenth Doctors will have gone to Skaro without a good reason. Most of the dialogue regarding Skaro during the war, only talks of it 'burning', which doesn't necessarily mean destroyed. When the word 'destroyed' is used, I suppose it could still be referring to the city and not the planet itself.
The Thals were said to have relocated to another homeworld, New Davius, in 'Brotherhood of the Daleks'.
It was made practically extinct. Only one strain remains, locked in an underground bunker in case it's needed for chemical warfare.
The Doctor blew it up. It got better.
Though, seriously, I don't take it too seriously since there's a lot of conflicting details there. How could Seven blow it up in 1963, yet previous Doctors be there in the far future?
When in doubt, just say time travel.
Though, seriously, I don't take it too seriously since there's a lot of conflicting details there. How could Seven blow it up in 1963, yet previous Doctors be there in the far future?
When in doubt, just say time travel.
Er... Time War.
History was getting erased, over written and altered as a battle tactic.
I bet Skaro and Gallifrey got destroyed any number of times during the fightling.
I suppose if the Daleks abandoned it (Skaro) then the Time Lords would stop attacking it.
It's always possible I suppose that the Cult of Skaro were hidden away in the void during one of the periods when Skaro didn't exist, hence why they thought it was gone.
History was getting erased, over written and altered as a battle tactic.
I bet Skaro and Gallifrey got destroyed any number of times during the fightling.
I suppose if the Daleks abandoned it (Skaro) then the Time Lords would stop attacking it.
It's always possible I suppose that the Cult of Skaro were hidden away in the void during one of the periods when Skaro didn't exist, hence why they thought it was gone.
I easily explain things like this away in my head by remembering the time travel aspect. Even if Skaro WAS destroyed, the Doctor could presumably visit it BEFORE its destruction. In the same way we know the earth was burnt up by the sun in (NuWho) Series 1, but Clara is still running about on it in the present day.
For something to be destroyed, it had to have existed in the first place after all... right?
For something to be destroyed, it had to have existed in the first place after all... right?
Originally Posted by FluxCapacitor:
“I easily explain things like this away in my head by remembering the time travel aspect. Even if Skaro WAS destroyed, the Doctor could presumably visit it BEFORE its destruction. In the same way we know the earth was burnt up by the sun in (NuWho) Series 1, but Clara is still running about on it in the present day.
For something to be destroyed, it had to have existed in the first place after all... right?”
“I easily explain things like this away in my head by remembering the time travel aspect. Even if Skaro WAS destroyed, the Doctor could presumably visit it BEFORE its destruction. In the same way we know the earth was burnt up by the sun in (NuWho) Series 1, but Clara is still running about on it in the present day.
For something to be destroyed, it had to have existed in the first place after all... right?”
This makes me think of a couple of the gripes I have with the whole time war concept. Firstly, how is gallifrey known in so many myth's and legend's of higher species when it now apparently does not exist in any point of time and space?.
Secondly, the whole time-locked concept. How can a war that is across every point in time and space possibly be time locked, and shouldn't their be battles from it going on in the sky now and at every point in the past and future. Time-locking seem's a very sketchy concept at best to me.
Originally Posted by 1milescarf:
“The Doctor blew it up. The Daleks, being tremendously scientifically advanced, rebuilt it.”
“The Doctor blew it up. The Daleks, being tremendously scientifically advanced, rebuilt it.”
I would be happy for their to be something as simple as a one line explanation given in the show such as this one. That way it would settle it.
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