The more you think about the time lock, the less sense it makes! Its one of those things where I think we just have to accept it is beyond our puny human understanding and move on.

Hey guys, I was leafing through Volume Six of 'The Doctor Who Companion - The Eleventh Doctor' when I read that in the first draft of 'Asylum Of The Daleks', the Dalek Parliament was set on 'Skaro 2, the new planet of the Daleks'.

The second draft relocates the Parliament to a Dalek spaceship, but there are still scenes on Skaro, so does this mean that 'Skaro 2' is canon? I think it does. Even though the reference is removed, those scenes on Skaro are still there. It's the closest to Canon I can see, anyway.

I wouldn't have thought so personally, as what little information we were given in the episode just said (by the doctor himself, no less) it was 'skaro, original planet of the daleks', suggesting the original. Without actually saying 'skaro 2' anywhere in the episode, it can't be said to exist, even if that was what was originally planned in earlier drafts of the script. If we acknowledged everything in every draft of every script, I think the doctors story would be very different indeed.

He actually says "two almighty civilisations burning"

Dalek Caan mentions in the two-parter Daleks In Manhattan/Eveloution of the Daleks, that Skaro is, and I quote, "gone... destroyed in a great war."

So when the Eleventh Doctor went to Skaro in Asylum of the Daleks, it must've been just before the Time War happened. Either that, or he went to a part of Skaro during the Time War, that hadn't been destroyed.

Ah, but in Victory of the Daleks, the new paradigm said they would "return to our own time and begin again", so they may have done something to ensure Skaro survived

yes, if you look at all the comments on page 1 you'll see that someone already pointed that I was incorrect (was only trying to quote from memory) but then the daleks in manhatten example came up as proof anyway


This is pointed out on page 1 of the thread. Yet to be successfully made sense of yet though, in my opinion.

The book was "War Of The Daleks" and the basic idea was that the Daleks learnt what happened to Skaro in the Harnell story "Dalek Invasion Of Earth" and took steps to trick The Doctor into destorying the wrong solar system.

For the other poster who wondered about the Doctor only destroying Skaro's sun. The supernova of Skaro's sun did indeed vaporise Skaro - A Dalek say's "home planet Skaro about to vapourise" - though when writing that it is possible (if unlikely) that Skaro didn't vapourise (The Doctor switches off before it happens in Remembrance).



Time War is the catch all solution for continuity issues between old and new who. The cult of Skaro could have naffed off into the void before Skaro was brought back again I suppose....

See my post above yours

hadn't noticed that, apologies (think I was typing mine the same time so didn't see your's had appeared)

It's certainly a possibility although I personally would feel that any pre meddling of skaro that wasn't originally the case would be a bit of a paradox, in the sense that if they went back in time to do something to prevent skaro's destruction then skaro wouldn't have been destroyed, so they would never have gone back, so skaro would be destroyed etc etc.

IMO, I think The Time War was a silly idea, thought up by Russell T. Davies back in 2005.

We should have had the Doctor going back to Gallifrey from time to time. Just like in the 70s and 80s. I really enjoyed it when the Doctor went back to Gallifrey.

My favourite Gallifrey story has to be Arc of Infinity, followed by Invasion of Time.

I've just found this:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answ...85_372_300.jpg

Wouldn't it have been brilliant to see David's Doctor on Gallifrey wearing the Time Lord robes and head gear?

I thought the whole 'last of the time lord's' idea worked well. It especially defined the war shaken Eccleston doctor.

As someone who has seen episodes of classic who, but not really watched any stories in order, or any whole classic series, I'm kind of wondering what the feel will be like now that they are back, but not quite back, and the subsequent feel when they return fully. From what I've seen of them in classic who they seem stuffy and dull, and are in episodes mainly to nag the doctor, or get him to do things for them (genesis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_..._of_the_Daleks

Skaro was apparently devastated in Evil of the Daleks (the Daleks survived, wiped out the Human Factor rebels and rebuilt it), blown to pieces in Remembrance of the Daleks and then reported burned in the Manhattan story. So clearly the Time War or other misc. timey wimeyness did reverse some of these events. City of the Daleks - which apparently is considered canon by Moffat - does show the planet as ruined but inhabitable which appears to have been the default thinking a few years ago.

There are of course various other explanations for all of this, including the favourite one that the Doctor really did blow up Skaro in Remembrance and all subsequent appearances/references were to another colony the Daleks renamed. But the truth of the matter is that we don't have enough hard info as far as the TV series is concerned to make firm conclusions. The novels and audio dramas have their own ideas, of course.

As for the Thals, I think Planet of the Daleks suggested they'd been driven off Skaro altogether, and presumably were long gone by the time it was destroyed/not destroyed.