Do we think the biased judges will ever give Beth a 10.0, all of the semi finalists have now had at least one 10.0 from the judges except Beth? , What do you think she has to do to get praise???
Last edited by camy934 : 24-02-2014 at 22:49

I think she's only ever received one 10 - from Robin last series. Laughable really.

Yeah for her flying which the other three marked down so that she didn't take the limelight from golden boy Matt

Completely laughable, especially when they usually dish them out like smarties in the final of the whole series!! It has been so noticeable this series how biased against Beth the judges are!

It's infuriating to watch, when what the judges dish out 10.0s to others for, they'll give beth 8.0-9.0 , It was disgraceful especially last series in the final when her scores were full of 9.0s and 9.5s.

The judges are a laughing stock - pity they don't realise it.

I mean lets sum up.
Robin-A male figure skater
Karen-Ice dancer, but biased on what she sees in training
Ashley -Popstar, backing dancer ??
Jason-Choreographer

To think they got rid of people like Nicky Slater and Katarina Witt (Left or Sacked??) for this lot.

Personally I haven't watched any of Beth's routines and thought they were outstanding and deserved a 10, I think the judges are right and the performance quality isn't there. Her performances, for me, just don't have the same excitement as the other champions had.

Her Bolero was worth a 10 or two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En7gAlruCBM

I've lost a lot of respect for Robin and Karen over the last few years. I expect Ashley and Jason to be completely random and vote on thrusts wiggles and armography etc and well in Ashley's case whatever buzz word she has for the week (sassy, fierce etc) but I would have hoped that Robin and Karen would actually give proper credit and criticism where necessary in regards to the technical aspects.

However they also seem to have been sucked into the it's all about the jazz hands and the thrusting hips bubble and forgotten that yes it's dancing on ice but there has to be a good skating base to work on.

Robin seems to operate under the illusion that the females are inferior. Beth IMO has more than proven herself equal to the boys purely in terms of the actual skating not taking performance etc into account just the actual basics. She was trying a preparation axel and got no acknowledgement for it and her basic skating skills are strong. Robin is very much for the boys and sad that the girls have to suffer for that.

Karen and I don't think its intentional tends to favours those that I think she spends more time training with and I think it means she gets more involved in those routines and tends to be more protective of them and wants to mark them well.

What I will never understand from any year is the apparent dislike of sportspeople doing well especially from Karen and Robin as you would think they would find some kind of affinity for them being sports people themselves and having competed but yet every year we find them finding ways to make things as difficult for them as possible. Kyran and Beth really suffered this year and others have in the past.

I would love to see Beth get the 10.0s she deserves but somehow can't see the judges suddenly being sensible.

Lose the awkwardness in her performances. She comes across as quite nervous and self-conscious when it comes to acting and dancing. If she could let go of that, she'd be a much stronger overall performer.

I wonder if it's a request from TPTB as sportspeople (especially Olympians) tend to get huge public support in general on shows like these. Or maybe the judges just unrealistically expect more from them.

Robin and Karen both lost credibility last night with Ray by stating his routine had mistakes, looked unrehearsed and still gave a 10.0

She has her strengths but the bottom line is she just doesn't have the innate ability to dance.

Why is Ashley Roberts even there?? im sick of ITV pushing her, she is a crap judge on DOI, all she say's is "i sawww you giving all the sexy moves there gurl" or words to that effect,(to any girl obviously not Beth as she cant hide her dislike for her) then doing the dance herself to show us, which i would rather not watch because you annoy me Ashley.., the only one one i listen to is Robin as he does know what he is on about, sadly he seems to have it in for Beth also though..

I think the 10 paddles have been over-used, probably because the judges start off a programme by being too generous to certain contestants and then another appears who is clearly better and they have nowhere to go but to get their 10 paddles out. I think most performances this series would have benefited from being scored 1 point lower by each judge (so 4 points lower overall). It leaves room for improvement.

No one denies that Beth's acting/performance skills lags behind those who have trained in the world of drama and although I believe she has deserved 10's for some performances I can understand the performance won't always merit a 10. However whilst some of Hayley's performances merit a high mark (certainly those that require a cheesy grin) none of her skating shows any skill.

Overall Beth is better.

I don't think that Beth has put in a real '10' performance this series....but then, neither have any of the others (the judges even admit that Ray makes mistakes).

What I want to see is fair marking.
I want to see Beth's technical skills acknowledged at least as much as Hayley's (or the guys') performance skills.

Sure, all ice dancers lose marks if their performance is not up to par, but they can still get good marks for technicality to bring their marks up. And those who are 'all performance' but make technical mistakes often get marked down.
That isn't happening here.

Personally, although this is 'dancing on ice', I don't see 'acting on ice' as a must have.
I want to see them skating first and foremost. Some acknowledgement of the music and keeping in time with the music would be nice. But I couldn't care less about a whole acting routine.

I'm no expert but Ray and Sam seem to be far more skilled than the girls. Beth doesn't impress me in the same way, and actually I thought she should have gone out a few weeks ago.

I've said it before, Beth is as dull as ditch water. Her skating is mechanical and quite without any passion. For the life of me I cannot understand why she has the public support she seems to have. Why does being an Olympic champion mean she should be a worthy of high marks in this completion. She reminds me of that other Olympic champion (forgotten her name) who was a disaster in Strictly. Being good at running/cycling/whatever Beth did is not a guarantee for winning this Show. It was a travesty that she won the Show last year or whenever it was.

Sorry can't agree have just watched Beth and Dan's Bolero performance that was posted up thread, she certainly doesn't look mechanical in that, a beautiful skater more like!

Beth was a gymnast - and although her speciality (and world championships and Oher Olympic Bronze) was the asymmetric bars, she like all gymnasts will have had to perform floor exercise routines to music, and has got some musicality - she would never have got into the top flight without achieving a good standard on all the apparatus, as in a lot of competitions, you only get into the individual medal competition if you achieve a high place in the all round competition!.

You cant compare the like of Louis Smith, and beth whose sports require a level of elegance to the endurance sports like cycling. Victoria pendleton was super fit and strong - but on the whole danced like a sack of spuds - Louis - like Beth on DOI - could do the steps well - but was accused of lacking performance by some people - I for one never saw his dancing as anything other than brilliant - and when i saw him on tour - it was hard to tell him apart from the pro dancers .

Beth is able to skate solo, do tricks and lifts, and gets given new stuff week after week, with very little opportunity to work on the weaknesses in her performance.... hayley on the other hand never seems to get anything new to do - and can concentrate on the performance side.... maybe they should reverse the choreography for a week and see what happens.... give hayley lots of new stuff to learn and master, and allow Beth to have time to work on her performance... its not a level playing field - Hayley gets preferential treatment because she CAN'T do what the others can.

I think she puts in some good performances, but definitely not the best of the celebs in this series...and what I am surprised about is how many people believe her to be the best there. Apart from being constantly saved when in the bottom two, I read a thread on here recently asking who we were voting for and the majority of replies were for Beth. I'm completely baffled by it to be honest, as I don't think shes even in the top two never mind being the best there?

Are people voting for her because they like her personality or do they really feel she is the best skater/performer there? I must see something different to everyone else if its the latter. And if its the former, I'm wondering if she will be voted on likeability in the final too, in which case she could very easily win the show?

I'm voting for Beth (at the moment), because:
a) I like her.
b) I don't like the way the judges are treating her in comparison with others.
c) I don't care over much about performance. As I said earlier, getting the dance rhythm right is fine, but I'm not looking for an acted performance - that actually puts me off Hayley (and Sam to a degree).

However.....
I have to admit that Ray is a better skater/performer than Beth.
So my ideal result would be Ray first and Beth second.

But that won't mean I change my votes to Ray from Beth this coming Sunday - at the moment she needs them. Ray doesn't.

That was really what I was wondering...if she was getting more votes because people liked her/were worried because she was bottom of the leaderboard or if they genuinely thought she was the best skater or put in the best performance of the night. I didn't know if she'd still be the most popular in the final as she is now. If Beth voters are similar to yourself, they might not vote for her in the final if she isn't the best skater there.