[psionic]

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Originally Posted by prking

Because the forum is full of trolling and lost any sense of proper discussion ages ago?

^^ This

[linkinpark875]

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Originally Posted by Ignite

Firefox OS http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/
Ubuntu Phone http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
There are other OS's coming onto the market. Give it time and it will be interesting to see what happens.

Now this thread can get back on track.

Sadly there's a few posters who dislike my posts and actually put negative troll comments in the threads.

The thread is for alternatives and new OS coming to the market. Also would like to know where Blackberry is heading next after the Z10.

[huwdw]

Right - lets go back to each manufacturer having their own OS. Oh - you want apps for that OS? Sorry it doesn't have enough market share to be commercially viable..

Whats that? Several manufacturers have gone under because they didn't have the money keep up with the extra costs of developing their own OS from scratch.

Thats what the reality would be.

[linkinpark875]

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Originally Posted by huwdw

Right - lets go back to each manufacturer having their own OS. Oh - you want apps for that OS? Sorry it doesn't have enough market share to be commercially viable..

Whats that? Several manufacturers have gone under because they didn't have the money keep up with the extra costs of developing their own OS from scratch.

Thats what the reality would be.

Facebook and Twitter and Google would all come preinstalled like the days of Bada OS anyway,

There's very few actual quality games these days and most are on the Apple app store. Plus you could buy an Ipod Touch for that.

People are more intrigued by what the phone does at the moment. NFC is big, quality cameras for Facebook sharing, finger print technology, screen size for web browsing, 4G, Notifications. I don't know anybody who buys a phone for the Android "ech" system or for App store. That argument has been left in 2008 when Apple launched an Iphone 3G with the app store on iOS 2.0.1. The app market has saturated and all focus has turned back to gaming consoles with the PS4 and Xbox One launch.

[huwdw]

If a phone doesn't run the apps people want they wont buy it. This is the biggest problem WP8 has.

[linkinpark875]

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Originally Posted by huwdw

Right - lets go back to each manufacturer having their own OS. Oh - you want apps for that OS? Sorry it doesn't have enough market share to be commercially viable..

Whats that? Several manufacturers have gone under because they didn't have the money keep up with the extra costs of developing their own OS from scratch.

Thats what the reality would be.

Apple has it's own IOS chief to work and develop it outside the phone. Samsung use the lazy option and use open market Android and customise it which probably doesn't take long. Infact Sony do a better job of making it look there "own". Working on Bada OS would be a better choice but they choose to neglect it and go for the lazy option. I reckon if they ditched Android they would fear HTC or Sony would overtake them.

[linkinpark875]

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Originally Posted by huwdw

If a phone doesn't run the apps people want they wont buy it. This is the biggest problem WP8 has.

I've heard initial praise for it but people don't like using it. Windows 9 is coming soon too. The fact Nokia has ditched Windows in there new phones says it all. Microsoft can't do much right now software wise as Windows 8 for the desktop was terrible. The bad marketing and press reviews would hardly encourage confidence in buying a Windows phone.

[finbaar]

There is a reason that the phone OS landscape is not like it was in 2007., Its becaiuse it is 2014.

End of debate. Can we get this pointless thread closed down?

[huwdw]

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

I've heard initial praise for it but people don't like using it. Windows 9 is coming soon too. The fact Nokia has ditched Windows in there new phones says it all. Microsoft can't do much right now software wise as Windows 8 for the desktop was terrible. The bad marketing and press reviews would hardly encourage confidence in buying a Windows phone.

People don't like using it? Please show you workings.

Windows Phone 9 is a way off. WP 8.1 is just about to be released.

Nokia's new android phones are positioned BELOW their Lumia WP line as an additon not replacement and more aimed at replacing Symbian on their low end phones.

If you're going to slag WP off please at least try to sound like you know what your talking about.

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

It was hopeless past the Nokia N95. It just never kept up.

Symbian still handles multi tasking better than any of the current environments; if I hadn't broken the screen on my 808 and had a contract renewal due (and getting a phone at half price) I would have still be using it ....

Considering the options ....

Tizen. I really don't think Samsung are going to back it enough; they've never been strong on device support. The old i8910 was potentially a fantastic device; the modding scene turned it into the device it always should have been, samsung released it and then did nothing.

Firefox. Interesting one, but at least for the moment targeting the low end. Unless they get major operator support I can't see it going anywhere.

Jolla. Despite initial promise (I signed up for it), the final product has taken the elegance and simplicity of the N9 interface and added too much complication (hence my not completing the order).

As for WP and BB10, plenty has been written. Lots of people claim WP to have a lousy interface (early on I was one of them), but most of those people haven't spent more than a couple of minutes with them (more likely not actually used at all).

[tony le mesmer]

Moronic thread.

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Now this thread can get back on track.

Sadly there's a few posters who dislike my posts and actually put negative troll comments in the threads.

The thread is for alternatives and new OS coming to the market. Also would like to know where Blackberry is heading next after the Z10.

The Z10 has already had a successor. The Z30. There is also the upcoming Z3. Nice to see you keeping up with the news ....

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Now this thread can get back on track.

Sadly there's a few posters who dislike my posts and actually put negative troll comments in the threads.

The thread is for alternatives and new OS coming to the market. Also would like to know where Blackberry is heading next after the Z10.

No it isn't. The title clearly states that it is dedicated to a replacement for Android, the world's most popular mobile OS. Unfortunately, you are going to be hard-pressed to find any viable alternative to Android, at this stage it will be very hard to overtake it.

All these start-up alternatives are doomed to fail because they simply cannot compete with the infrastructure that Android and iOS provide. It's that simple. They will only attract a very small niche market. Windows Phone is the only viable alternative at this stage, and even it has been severely struggling to gain any ground on Android or iOS.

Eventually Windows Phone could grow enough to threaten iOS more significantly, but it depends on Microsoft's strategy and foresight. At the moment Windows Phone is doing nowhere near as well as it should be given that it has been out for 4 years now. As for Blackberry, they are heading for disaster unless they come up with a miracle solution.

[BKM]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

No it isn't. The title clearly states that it is dedicated to a replacement for Android, the world's most popular mobile OS. Unfortunately, you are going to be hard-pressed to find any viable alternative to Android, at this stage it will be very hard to overtake it.

Well Samsung (one of the world's biggest mobile phone companies) and Intel are working hard on the Tizen OS

I have seen some reviews of the S5 which were a little surprised that it was NOT their first Tizen-based phone!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by BKM

Well Samsung (one of the world's biggest mobile phone companies) and Intel are working hard on the Tizen OS

I have seen some reviews of the S5 which were a little surprised that it was NOT their first Tizen-based phone!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen

Tizen OS just joins the line with Ubuntu, Firefox OS, Bada OS (also a Samsung project) and Jolla/Sailfish OS.

[BKM]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Tizen OS just joins the line with Ubuntu, Firefox OS, Bada OS (also a Samsung project) and Jolla/Sailfish OS.

Well it was news to me! - and only because - one at least - review of the new S5 thought that it might have been realistic for Samsung to launch this handset with Tizen! Personally I would have thought the S5 was far too high-profile to take that risk with!

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by Ignite

Firefox OS http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/
Ubuntu Phone http://www.ubuntu.com/phone
There are other OS's coming onto the market. Give it time and it will be interesting to see what happens.

I think both are in early stages yet and the phones don't sound that great, but give them a bit of time to get things up to speed and make a link with a major phone manufacture and yes I think they could have something.

i would love a alternative to Android to be honest and get away from Google, but at the moment there really is not alternative for a decent price or even a at a higher price to be honest.

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by BKM

Well it was news to me! - and only because - one at least - review of the new S5 thought that it might have been realistic for Samsung to launch this handset with Tizen! Personally I would have thought the S5 was far too high-profile to take that risk with!

I think Tizen OS is just a vanity project for Samsung. Intel seem far more invested in it, and Samsung's last OS project, Bada, failed miserably. I think Samsung know that their success is tied in with Google for the time being, and since they are legally unable to fork Android, I think they are just rolling the dice with these OS side-projects, hoping that one takes off.

They would never have put Tizen on the S5. There could be a Tizen Edition of the S5, but this would still be a pretty big gamble for Samsung. They already make Windows Phone devices which don't sell very well, so I'm not sure whether they would consider a fully fledged Tizen device at this stage. I'm not even sure whether the OS is even ready for a commercial release.

[Zee_Bukhari]

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

At the moment there's very few alternatives and I see Nokia even moved to Android. Who can blame them as Windows phone was always going to be terrible. What I mean is a new OS not silly tiles like Windows but one build to offer the best of Android and IOS.

I'd much prefer to see manufacturers go back to individual software for each handset. For example Sony should be able to come up with something better than what they have now. Samsung use to have Bada OS and the Pixon phone range was always better looking than the Galaxy.

If Samsung want to take on Apple they should ditch the tried Galaxy name. Sounds like a bar of chocolate or something from space. The curved edges are so early 2000's. Look how much sleeker the Pixon 12 was: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_m891...review-367.php

Sadly another year of Android clones awaits and a long wait until Iphone 6. Apple need not worry the Iphone 5S is more than up to the job rather than the cheap plastic S5.

have you ever used Windows Phone? Whats terrible about it?

Nokia's android phone is an advertisement for Windows Phone, look how they've designed the software for it, looks just like Windows Phone, its a way to get people onto the Windows Phone bandwagon.

[Aye Up]

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

People are more intrigued by what the phone does at the moment. NFC is big, quality cameras for Facebook sharing, finger print technology, screen size for web browsing, 4G, Notifications. I don't know anybody who buys a phone for the Android "ech" system or for App store. That argument has been left in 2008 when Apple launched an Iphone 3G with the app store on iOS 2.0.1. The app market has saturated and all focus has turned back to gaming consoles with the PS4 and Xbox One launch.

NFC is big? Show me a person who is using it day to day on their phone? I have yet to come across a viable method of using it beyond bumping phones together and maybe the odd device. Yes their are payment systems that take advantage of it, its a niche, a vanity project. When people think of contactless payments they will use their debit/credit card by default.....there has yet to be a killer app that takes advantage of it.

Finger print technology? I have an iPhone 5S and bar the first few demonstrations to friends and family its a novelty again which doesn't really change the way you use a device. If anything its annoying as I find my passcode more secure.

Screen size for web browsing.....hmmm the how big is my dick contest is long over....there are screen sizes to suit everyone, so not everything is necessarily smaller or bigger....

Quality cameras for facebook? You are having a bloody laugh aint you? I have yet to come across one person that gives a shit about how good photos will look on facebook when taken with their phone....most people don't notice the difference.

4G is not the killer feature the internet claims it is, majority of people care more about being able to use their smartphone for checking twitter, facebook, whatsapp and so on. 4G makes little difference in that respect. I know this as my parents recently got a Moto G which wasnt 4G enabled, I explained this to them and its didn't matter as long as they were able to read the news and so on.

Notifications....well thats something you can't slag off Android for, its been there since the beginning iOS was late to the party as always. Again you would be hard pushed to find people give a toss about notifications as long as they came through to whatever phone they had.

Gaming coverage is focussing on PS4 and Xbox One not the mobile industry, you will find tech in general is actually looking forward to the slate of new flagships due to be released.

As for other OS, well there is WP 8 which I think is a marvellous implementation, its very smooth and polished, it offers a different way of managing your device, thats a good thing. Its USP is the Tile interface and I see that as no bad thing. Use the device for more than 5 minutes and you will realise just how capable the setup is.

Someone mentioned Blackberry, maybe they are going to the wall but I do miss the days when I could access email, quickly write a reply or sms using the full keyboard. The lengthy battery life on 9700/9780 for me that was when it reached its pinnacle...the Torch was a joke of a handset and thats where it went wrong. I still love my old Bold and won't part with it as its more than capable for what I need, I look forward to the Q20 when it finally gets revealed.

[alanwarwic]

When Windows was all we had it won though choice of software.
Does anyone really care what OS to use when their app of choice is available?

Obviously the op does but why?

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

When Windows was all we had it won though choice of software.
Does anyone really care what OS to use when their app of choice is available?

Obviously the op does but why?

Surely the answer to this question is obvious? The user has to like the interface they would have to interact with in order to operate their device.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

When Windows was all we had it won though choice of software.
Does anyone really care what OS to use when their app of choice is available?

Obviously the op does but why?

There has never been a time when windows was all we had. There were always (some would say better) alternatives.

[alanwarwic]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Surely the answer to this question is obvious? The user has to like the interface they would have to interact with in order to operate their device.

I can poke a finger to open the app on any device. And touchy interfaces are all pretty similar. With TVs we seldom choose the item for the remote control interface, so why here?
And I imagine TV remotes are often more complicated.

To me agnostic apps are where its at, devices are simply the conduit.

[vinceben]

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Originally Posted by Zee_Bukhari

have you ever used Windows Phone? Whats terrible about it?

Nokia's android phone is an advertisement for Windows Phone, look how they've designed the software for it, looks just like Windows Phone, its a way to get people onto the Windows Phone bandwagon.

A lot of people slag off Windows phone due to the lack of apps, but there are about 250,000 apps available.
I have an iphone 5 and a Windows phone and prefer the Windows os over iOS. Windows is not terrible, it's just getting bad press possibly due to the Windows 8 desktop os